EPTOn March 23 2013 08:58 TheYango wrote:
I was speaking to Shaella's item choice post-BKB.
AC first is indeed awkward.
I was speaking to Shaella's item choice post-BKB.
AC first is indeed awkward.
Its ok man, I understood you
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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8892 Posts
On March 23 2013 09:04 Sqisgar wrote: What exactly is meant by base damage? Do things add to it? Couldn't find it in the dota 2 wiki. base dmg is the white number you see on your attack. its your hero's starting dmg, and it is affected by stat growth. items that increase stat also increase base dmg. items like daedalus which give dmg is not considered base dmg. | ||
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synapse
China13814 Posts
On March 23 2013 12:50 evilfatsh1t wrote: base dmg is the white number you see on your attack. its your hero's starting dmg, and it is affected by stat growth. items that increase stat also increase base dmg. items like daedalus which give dmg is not considered base dmg. Following up on this, DD rune will only increase the white number and not the green addition. Same goes for skills like magnus's empower, which will increase your base damage by 50% but not the additional damage. | ||
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Ryrmidon
Canada371 Posts
Also what's the most common way to lane / build lone druid right now? Is rushing radiance for the early damage and split push still viable? | ||
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Poelie
Netherlands53 Posts
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nojok
France15846 Posts
On March 23 2013 21:52 Ryrmidon wrote: Is there any general rule to knowing what damage items are most optimal on certain carries? For example choosing between Desolator, Daedulus, Mjollnir, Skull Basher, MKB, etc? I find some of them are intuitive, like prioritizing attack speed on Sniper, Druid, Faceless to proc headshot / entangle / bash more often, but is there a post anywhere of somebody calculating the cost effectiveness of certain items on some of the popular carries? For example if I wanna build Nature's prophet for damage, how do I know what the most cost effective damage item would be between Mjollnir, MKB, or Daedulus? Or is something like that impossible to do. Also what's the most common way to lane / build lone druid right now? Is rushing radiance for the early damage and split push still viable? Pick according to the ennemy team mostly, basher is to counter bkb, MKB is to counter butterfly or hitting towers without having to go into their base, Mjollnir is for proc as you mentionned, deso is nice if you have few people who also have decent aa on your team, daedalus is more like the ice on the cake as it really improves your dps once you have decent damages but as first big item it's not really good. There is a consensus that mjollnir is the most efficient dps/gold item and yeah some people did all the maths but I don't remember where I saw it. Concerning NP, get mek, it allows you to hit longer but also your main carry => more dps than any other item :D edit : for post above, I think wind lacks versatility whereas some heroes like NP, DS, LD can go jungle farm better & safer than her in impossible trilane while being able to come back in the lane if the supports rotate, ok wind can also come back in lane but she can't farm jungle jsut in case. Clock is as safe as wind for exemple but is better initator & can spam his last hit spell way more often with bottle crowing. So from a baddie perspective the alternatives seem better. | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
On March 23 2013 23:30 Poelie wrote: Why has windrunner fallen out of style as a suicide laner? Teams have developed to a point that if they want to keep somebody down, they can. Windrunner still have amazing laning, but she doesn't have an easy time catching up. Hence when she's played, it's either mid or (occasionally) safe lane. | ||
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aintz
Canada5624 Posts
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TheSubtleArt
Canada2527 Posts
On March 24 2013 00:47 flamewheel wrote: Teams have developed to a point that if they want to keep somebody down, they can. Windrunner still have amazing laning, but she doesn't have an easy time catching up. Hence when she's played, it's either mid or (occasionally) safe lane. I think this is pretty much it. The strength of offlaning heroes like Seer, NP and Batrider is they can fall back to the jungle for farm if they're having a hard time. | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
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rebdomine
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TheSubtleArt
Canada2527 Posts
On March 24 2013 09:19 Belisarius wrote: Can someone explain why wisp+ck and spectre+wl are particularly powerful combos? Haunt and Spectre's passives have good synergy with fatal bonds. | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
On March 24 2013 09:24 rebdomine wrote: MS boost from tether makes CK move even faster. CK + Wisp is just such a strong ganking duo. Tether CK then relocate someplace. Reality Rift someone into tether (which stuns them) then follow up with Chaos Bolt. Good strong combo of disables with a loooot of move speed to boot. On March 24 2013 09:27 TheSubtleArt wrote: Haunt and Spectre's passives have good synergy with fatal bonds. Right, thanks. I hadn't thought of rift>tether. I wondered if spec/wl had something other than bonds. I feel like bonds is one of those spells like vacuum that pretty much synergises with everything. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8892 Posts
On March 24 2013 09:43 Belisarius wrote: Right, thanks. I hadn't thought of rift>tether. I wondered if spec/wl had something other than bonds. I feel like bonds is one of those spells like vacuum that pretty much synergises with everything. it does have something other than bonds. fear of getting hit by a 5man bond -> 5 man rock causes the team to spread out as much as possible. this is also better for spec, since his desolate will start to proc. the combination leaves little room for opponents' mistakes, because if you fight under a 5 man fatal bonds and golem, you will die to spec. if you spread out too much, you will die to spec | ||
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Ruscour
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So yeah, ward their pull, at what time do you pull the river camp, how much tree eating needs to occur, and how do you control it in general? | ||
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
On March 23 2013 21:52 Ryrmidon wrote: Is there any general rule to knowing what damage items are most optimal on certain carries? For example choosing between Desolator, Daedulus, Mjollnir, Skull Basher, MKB, etc? I find some of them are intuitive, like prioritizing attack speed on Sniper, Druid, Faceless to proc headshot / entangle / bash more often, but is there a post anywhere of somebody calculating the cost effectiveness of certain items on some of the popular carries? For example if I wanna build Nature's prophet for damage, how do I know what the most cost effective damage item would be between Mjollnir, MKB, or Daedulus? Or is something like that impossible to do. Also what's the most common way to lane / build lone druid right now? Is rushing radiance for the early damage and split push still viable? This is incredibly mathable, but subject to too many variables. Items are generally gotten less for raw damage and more for the effects or synergy with hero. | ||
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Sephyr
Australia665 Posts
On March 24 2013 14:56 Ruscour wrote: Trying to run offensive trilane, failing because I don't know how to pull and control it. So yeah, ward their pull, at what time do you pull the river camp, how much tree eating needs to occur, and how do you control it in general? I'm confused. I'm guessing your running offensive tri Radiant side on their offlane, right? If so, your main aim isn't to control the lane because it's already hard enough if it's dual vs dual but more so just using your offensive tri to make their safe lane into a not-so-safe lane. I mean don't get me wrong, you can try and control the lane in an offensive tri, but you'd be much better just trying to pick off the supports who are pulling (if you haven't warded) or just trying to tower dive (do it smartly, with the right heroes) / make the lane impossible to farm in. | ||
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shizaep
Canada2920 Posts
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aintz
Canada5624 Posts
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8892 Posts
On March 24 2013 14:56 Ruscour wrote: Trying to run offensive trilane, failing because I don't know how to pull and control it. So yeah, ward their pull, at what time do you pull the river camp, how much tree eating needs to occur, and how do you control it in general? offensive trilane doesnt need pulls. your aim is to kill things. you cant play an offensive trilane like you would with a defensive trilane. go into their safelane with strong killing heroes and kill shit. assist gold and exp is how the supports get farm, and the carry last hits as much as possible while taking as many kills as he can at the same time. you will end up with less farm than if you defensive trilaned, but if you did your job right then their safelaner should have pretty much nothing On March 24 2013 23:50 shizaep wrote: When I am mid, how to decide if I should get a bottle or not? If I don't get it, I feel like I'm at a disadvantage against someone who does but that 600 gold could go towards something else. I'm just looking for some general rules of thumb to when it is a "very good idea" for me to get a bottle mid and when it is more of a waste. Thanks. if you can utilise the runes well, get a bottle. another good requirement is you have a good creep clearing ability. so, strong gankers such as qop,ta,storm,sf,tinker are some good examples. invoker is a case where he can use the runes well, but cant push the lane out fast enough for him to not lose exp/gold and get the rune at the same time. necrolyte is an example of a good creep clearer but terrible rune user, so he would be a case where bottles are rarely gotten | ||
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