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Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
March 21 2013 23:24 GMT
#7461
Aghs is core on Ench.
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
March 21 2013 23:38 GMT
#7462
Thing is aghanim may be good on some heroes, but it's never worth it to rush it. Even on Tiny you get drums/yasha before agha
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
March 21 2013 23:46 GMT
#7463
On March 22 2013 08:38 Erasme wrote:
Thing is aghanim may be good on some heroes, but it's never worth it to rush it. Even on Tiny you get drums/yasha before agha

I'm actually not sure about that
I mean, Agha on tiny is basically a super bfury.
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7596 Posts
March 22 2013 00:03 GMT
#7464
On March 22 2013 08:46 Shaella wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2013 08:38 Erasme wrote:
Thing is aghanim may be good on some heroes, but it's never worth it to rush it. Even on Tiny you get drums/yasha before agha

I'm actually not sure about that
I mean, Agha on tiny is basically a super bfury.


Not sure? Then don't reply and take someone's word for it. Why is everyone in the Simple Q&A debating everything? Why does anyone answer anything here if it's going to get questioned?

Mobility + Attack Speed to bolster your already insane base damage > More Damage + Cleave. Tiny has a huge presence early-mid game, as opposed to hard carries. So you shouldn't throw that all away to just sit in a lane and farm Aghanims. It's literally having your cake, and eating it too. You get the powerhouse early-mid Tiny from the olden days (Blink, Ganker) by supplementing Blink Dagger with super-high mobility (Phase, Drums, Yasha) and attack speed. Then you build Aghanims which makes you Usain Bolt with a BFury. Followup with finished Manta, AC, Crit and you're set.
Rhyme
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1069 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-22 00:08:03
March 22 2013 00:04 GMT
#7465
aghs can be a good 2nd pickup, once you have 2 or 3 levels in your ult + 1 or 2 big items

e.g. qop, chen, ench, tiny, brewmaster, lina

although i can see an argument for rushing aghs on enchantress if you dominate early
dont ever say that
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
March 22 2013 00:07 GMT
#7466
On March 22 2013 09:03 Slardar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2013 08:46 Shaella wrote:
On March 22 2013 08:38 Erasme wrote:
Thing is aghanim may be good on some heroes, but it's never worth it to rush it. Even on Tiny you get drums/yasha before agha

I'm actually not sure about that
I mean, Agha on tiny is basically a super bfury.


Not sure? Then don't reply and take someone's word for it. Why is everyone in the Simple Q&A debating everything? Why does anyone answer anything here if it's going to get questioned?

Mobility + Attack Speed to bolster your already insane base damage > More Damage + Cleave. Tiny has a huge presence early-mid game, as opposed to hard carries. So you shouldn't throw that all away to just sit in a lane and farm Aghanims. It's literally having your cake, and eating it too. You get the powerhouse early-mid Tiny from the olden days (Blink, Ganker) by supplementing Blink Dagger with super-high mobility (Phase, Drums, Yasha) and attack speed. Then you build Aghanims which makes you Usain Bolt with a BFury. Followup with finished Manta, AC, Crit and you're set.

There's a reason why AM and Void usually rush bfury, just sayin.
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
March 22 2013 00:09 GMT
#7467
On March 22 2013 09:07 Shaella wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2013 09:03 Slardar wrote:
On March 22 2013 08:46 Shaella wrote:
On March 22 2013 08:38 Erasme wrote:
Thing is aghanim may be good on some heroes, but it's never worth it to rush it. Even on Tiny you get drums/yasha before agha

I'm actually not sure about that
I mean, Agha on tiny is basically a super bfury.


Not sure? Then don't reply and take someone's word for it. Why is everyone in the Simple Q&A debating everything? Why does anyone answer anything here if it's going to get questioned?

Mobility + Attack Speed to bolster your already insane base damage > More Damage + Cleave. Tiny has a huge presence early-mid game, as opposed to hard carries. So you shouldn't throw that all away to just sit in a lane and farm Aghanims. It's literally having your cake, and eating it too. You get the powerhouse early-mid Tiny from the olden days (Blink, Ganker) by supplementing Blink Dagger with super-high mobility (Phase, Drums, Yasha) and attack speed. Then you build Aghanims which makes you Usain Bolt with a BFury. Followup with finished Manta, AC, Crit and you're set.

There's a reason why AM and Void usually rush bfury, just sayin.


Yeah because they have no other means to flash farm. Tiny can flash farm with his abilities or just farm on heroes since he does so much burst damage.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Rhyme
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1069 Posts
March 22 2013 00:10 GMT
#7468
On March 22 2013 09:07 Shaella wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2013 09:03 Slardar wrote:
On March 22 2013 08:46 Shaella wrote:
On March 22 2013 08:38 Erasme wrote:
Thing is aghanim may be good on some heroes, but it's never worth it to rush it. Even on Tiny you get drums/yasha before agha

I'm actually not sure about that
I mean, Agha on tiny is basically a super bfury.


Not sure? Then don't reply and take someone's word for it. Why is everyone in the Simple Q&A debating everything? Why does anyone answer anything here if it's going to get questioned?

Mobility + Attack Speed to bolster your already insane base damage > More Damage + Cleave. Tiny has a huge presence early-mid game, as opposed to hard carries. So you shouldn't throw that all away to just sit in a lane and farm Aghanims. It's literally having your cake, and eating it too. You get the powerhouse early-mid Tiny from the olden days (Blink, Ganker) by supplementing Blink Dagger with super-high mobility (Phase, Drums, Yasha) and attack speed. Then you build Aghanims which makes you Usain Bolt with a BFury. Followup with finished Manta, AC, Crit and you're set.

There's a reason why AM and Void usually rush bfury, just sayin.


yeah, it's because they don't have a strong midgame combat peak like tiny does. they may be able to contribute to a teamfight that's already in their team's favor, but they are way better off with a battlefury for farming (or midas/maelstrom for void) because they peak harder, later.
dont ever say that
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
March 22 2013 00:15 GMT
#7469
On March 22 2013 09:10 Rhyme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2013 09:07 Shaella wrote:
On March 22 2013 09:03 Slardar wrote:
On March 22 2013 08:46 Shaella wrote:
On March 22 2013 08:38 Erasme wrote:
Thing is aghanim may be good on some heroes, but it's never worth it to rush it. Even on Tiny you get drums/yasha before agha

I'm actually not sure about that
I mean, Agha on tiny is basically a super bfury.


Not sure? Then don't reply and take someone's word for it. Why is everyone in the Simple Q&A debating everything? Why does anyone answer anything here if it's going to get questioned?

Mobility + Attack Speed to bolster your already insane base damage > More Damage + Cleave. Tiny has a huge presence early-mid game, as opposed to hard carries. So you shouldn't throw that all away to just sit in a lane and farm Aghanims. It's literally having your cake, and eating it too. You get the powerhouse early-mid Tiny from the olden days (Blink, Ganker) by supplementing Blink Dagger with super-high mobility (Phase, Drums, Yasha) and attack speed. Then you build Aghanims which makes you Usain Bolt with a BFury. Followup with finished Manta, AC, Crit and you're set.

There's a reason why AM and Void usually rush bfury, just sayin.


yeah, it's because they don't have a strong midgame combat peak like tiny does. they may be able to contribute to a teamfight that's already in their team's favor, but they are way better off with a battlefury for farming (or midas/maelstrom for void) because they peak harder, later.

I disagree once again, lategame carry tiny way outcarries AM, and carries about as hard as void
Dude hits ungodly hard, in a huge AOE, and smashes towers absurdly fast.
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-22 00:17:10
March 22 2013 00:16 GMT
#7470
On March 22 2013 09:15 Shaella wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2013 09:10 Rhyme wrote:
On March 22 2013 09:07 Shaella wrote:
On March 22 2013 09:03 Slardar wrote:
On March 22 2013 08:46 Shaella wrote:
On March 22 2013 08:38 Erasme wrote:
Thing is aghanim may be good on some heroes, but it's never worth it to rush it. Even on Tiny you get drums/yasha before agha

I'm actually not sure about that
I mean, Agha on tiny is basically a super bfury.


Not sure? Then don't reply and take someone's word for it. Why is everyone in the Simple Q&A debating everything? Why does anyone answer anything here if it's going to get questioned?

Mobility + Attack Speed to bolster your already insane base damage > More Damage + Cleave. Tiny has a huge presence early-mid game, as opposed to hard carries. So you shouldn't throw that all away to just sit in a lane and farm Aghanims. It's literally having your cake, and eating it too. You get the powerhouse early-mid Tiny from the olden days (Blink, Ganker) by supplementing Blink Dagger with super-high mobility (Phase, Drums, Yasha) and attack speed. Then you build Aghanims which makes you Usain Bolt with a BFury. Followup with finished Manta, AC, Crit and you're set.

There's a reason why AM and Void usually rush bfury, just sayin.


yeah, it's because they don't have a strong midgame combat peak like tiny does. they may be able to contribute to a teamfight that's already in their team's favor, but they are way better off with a battlefury for farming (or midas/maelstrom for void) because they peak harder, later.

I disagree once again, lategame carry tiny way outcarries AM, and carries about as hard as void
Dude hits ungodly hard, in a huge AOE, and smashes towers absurdly fast.

am or void dont have a 1k damage aoe at lvl 9
and the cleave is really good at lvl 16. Inexistent at lvl 6, not worth it at lvl 11.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Rhyme
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1069 Posts
March 22 2013 00:18 GMT
#7471
On March 22 2013 09:15 Shaella wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2013 09:10 Rhyme wrote:
On March 22 2013 09:07 Shaella wrote:
On March 22 2013 09:03 Slardar wrote:
On March 22 2013 08:46 Shaella wrote:
On March 22 2013 08:38 Erasme wrote:
Thing is aghanim may be good on some heroes, but it's never worth it to rush it. Even on Tiny you get drums/yasha before agha

I'm actually not sure about that
I mean, Agha on tiny is basically a super bfury.


Not sure? Then don't reply and take someone's word for it. Why is everyone in the Simple Q&A debating everything? Why does anyone answer anything here if it's going to get questioned?

Mobility + Attack Speed to bolster your already insane base damage > More Damage + Cleave. Tiny has a huge presence early-mid game, as opposed to hard carries. So you shouldn't throw that all away to just sit in a lane and farm Aghanims. It's literally having your cake, and eating it too. You get the powerhouse early-mid Tiny from the olden days (Blink, Ganker) by supplementing Blink Dagger with super-high mobility (Phase, Drums, Yasha) and attack speed. Then you build Aghanims which makes you Usain Bolt with a BFury. Followup with finished Manta, AC, Crit and you're set.

There's a reason why AM and Void usually rush bfury, just sayin.


yeah, it's because they don't have a strong midgame combat peak like tiny does. they may be able to contribute to a teamfight that's already in their team's favor, but they are way better off with a battlefury for farming (or midas/maelstrom for void) because they peak harder, later.

I disagree once again, lategame carry tiny way outcarries AM, and carries about as hard as void
Dude hits ungodly hard, in a huge AOE, and smashes towers absurdly fast.


no i agree with your opinion about how strong a lategame tiny is. it's just he is unique in that he has the ability to peak midgame as a ganker, and then again lategame as a carry. and you should take advantage of both peaks.
dont ever say that
Goshawk.
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United Kingdom5338 Posts
March 22 2013 01:16 GMT
#7472
if u go fight tiny with arcane blinks u will not outcarry a farming agi carry unless u kill him 100 times or get 100 kills yourself, and in those cases you are gonna win anyway.

TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-22 01:20:08
March 22 2013 01:18 GMT
#7473
On March 22 2013 10:16 Goshawk. wrote:
if u go fight tiny with arcane blinks u will not outcarry a farming agi carry unless u kill him 100 times or get 100 kills yourself, and in those cases you are gonna win anyway.

You're grossly exaggerating how much of an advantage you need for Arcanes+Blink Tiny to take control of the game.

If you get Arcanes+Blink fast enough, the enemy carry can't solo farm because of your solo kill ability. You can then transition that solo kill power into lategame carry items.

Really "carry Tiny" and "ganker Tiny" aren't two separate things--because the nature of pub games allows a midgame tempo carrying hero to transition into lategame carry items off of his advantage.
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aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
March 22 2013 01:33 GMT
#7474
the old blink tiny is fine. blink into a guy and 1 shotting him still seems pretty good. plus theres nothing stopping you from getting a staff afterwards.
Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-22 02:28:34
March 22 2013 02:19 GMT
#7475
How essential is vanguard on kunkka, and is it reasonable to skip it in favour of a faster shadowblade/crystalis? Are there cheaper survivability items that can get you through?

I just feel like it's really overpriced, and if I'm mid with lower farm than safelane, and maybe fail a gank or two, it can be hard to have my core damage items and vanguard up before I need to focus on teamfights, and thus become mega-poor if they go badly.
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7596 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-22 05:10:00
March 22 2013 02:33 GMT
#7476
On March 22 2013 11:19 Belisarius wrote:
How essential is vanguard on kunkka, and is it reasonable to skip it in favour of a faster shadowblade/crystalis? Are there cheaper survivability items that can get you through?

I just feel like it's really overpriced, and if I'm mid with lower farm than safelane, and maybe fail a gank or two, it can be hard to have my core damage items and vanguard up before I need to focus on teamfights, and thus become mega-poor if they go badly.


1-2 Bracers, 1 Drums, or just a Vitality Booster I would consider all superior to the Vanguard. I wouldn't consider Vanguard essential at all, not on any hero. Generally a bad item, situational usage for a few heroes. (Axe, Bristleback)
Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
March 22 2013 02:42 GMT
#7477
That's what I'd been sensing, but it's still in every guide ever. I'll scrap it for good then.

rebdomine
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
6040 Posts
March 22 2013 02:49 GMT
#7478
I rarely find vanguard worth it. Might be more cost effective to just get the vit booster if you need the bonus HP and the team already has somebody with drums and you eventually plan on getting heart. If you don't then bracers are your option.
"Just because you are correct doesn't mean you are right!"
sandyph
Profile Joined September 2010
Indonesia1640 Posts
March 22 2013 03:59 GMT
#7479
On March 22 2013 06:28 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2013 04:57 Slardar wrote:
What hero is considered a newb trap for Aghanims? We had this discussion awhile back, can't seem to remember. Necrolyte?

I'd say almost all of the Agh's upgrades are situationally good, but on the whole people prioritize them too highly. E.g. even "good" Aghanim's upgrades like Pugna and Clockwerk should be seen as capstone utility pieces, and not as core items, compared to more fundamental items like Mek and Sheep.

So they're all noob traps in a way.


Agh is pretty good on Juggs

not bad on Seer, Doom, Lina, ES, Huskar, Warlock

and off course core on Ogre, Enchant , Furion(more dolla) and Meepo
Put quote here for readability
aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
March 22 2013 04:04 GMT
#7480
furions who get aghs should uninstall dota2.
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