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Tuco
Profile Joined September 2010
China200 Posts
March 21 2013 11:47 GMT
#7441
Can someone recommend some vods of pros playing in a way that is educational for viewers? (ie not trolling/playing pub stomping builds)
robaq
Profile Joined December 2011
Poland186 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-21 12:02:28
March 21 2013 12:01 GMT
#7442
The best way to obtain gold and exp as supports, is to stack creeps and pull them when the lane is pushed. If you don't know what i'm talking about, look up creep stacking somewhere, its easy to do. Also, as a support you are reliant on kills/assists from ganks and tower gold, so if your team is not active on the map, you WILL be broke and you will need your hard carry to be outfarming theirs.
My way to play supports on pubs is to harass, stack one or two times, get boots and wards, then leave your lane and go kill people. Contrary to the popular belief, most supports are great gankers, and if you position well you can kill a lot of heroes, which gives you gold for more support items and delays the progress of enemy team.
As far as teamfighting go, dying is not a big issue as long as you use all your spells beforehand. If you can afford it, ghost scepter is a great solution for DPS heroes, but i also recommend a force staff or eul's scepter. Force staff is cheaper and provides a an escape/chase mechanism, eul's gives you a disable, and enough invulnerability to survive the initial teamfight mess. Also, play Shadow Demon, he doesn't need any of these items because of Disruption, and is the most badass support in the game :D
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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
March 21 2013 12:16 GMT
#7443
On March 21 2013 19:08 taldarimAltar wrote:
Okfor Weaver when do you max germinate and max swarm? I always max germinate with 1 level of bugs for diving tower. Besides that I have no idea how good swarm is lol



Generally I would say always max swarm with one in germinate. Germinate only becomes really good when you get items and by the time you have those items you'll have enough levels to have maxed germinate. Swarm is amazing in engagements if you use it correctly. Many people start with swarm so the bugs get killed really fast. Instead what you should try do is time it so you cast swarm in such a way that they are fighting with the bugs still on them.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 21 2013 14:44 GMT
#7444
Another thing to note about Geminate: rank 1 Geminate attack has exactly the same CD as rank 4 Shukuchi. In midgame fights where you're primarily just rotating your Shukuchi CD, the additional ranks in Geminate don't increase your damage output because you're still only going to get 1 Geminate off in between Shukuchis, and you're not going to break Shukuchi early just to put Geminate on CD.

Geminate is useful for laning (lower CD means its up more often to harass with) so some people get more than 1 rank for that. It's also better later when you have items and expect to do stand-and-fight damage in certain situations. But midgame, when you're using Shukuchi on CD, Geminate ranks don't increase your in-fight DPS beyond rank 1 because rank 1 already lets you use one Geminate per Shukuchi cast.
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aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
March 21 2013 16:21 GMT
#7445
could even go stats if you feel like farming some more.
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7596 Posts
March 21 2013 19:57 GMT
#7446
What hero is considered a newb trap for Aghanims? We had this discussion awhile back, can't seem to remember. Necrolyte?
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
March 21 2013 20:04 GMT
#7447
On March 22 2013 04:57 Slardar wrote:
What hero is considered a newb trap for Aghanims? We had this discussion awhile back, can't seem to remember. Necrolyte?


Lion

Gyro

I think Lina's Agh upgrade is actually kinda OK when u factor in the stats, but I'd say there are usually better things on her as well
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Carbonyl
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
United States334 Posts
March 21 2013 20:18 GMT
#7448
On March 21 2013 20:47 Tuco wrote:
Can someone recommend some vods of pros playing in a way that is educational for viewers? (ie not trolling/playing pub stomping builds)

Watch Merlini's stream! He rarely, if ever, messes around in games. He tries his best, although his item builds aren't necessarily something a low level player could use effectively.
It takes quite a long time of playing and watching a video game before you realize how bad at it you really are.
aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
March 21 2013 21:12 GMT
#7449
merlini and aui both try to give advice to viewers. aui kinda just agrees with what anyone does lol.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
March 21 2013 21:21 GMT
#7450
On March 22 2013 06:12 aintz wrote:
merlini and aui both try to give advice to viewers. aui kinda just agrees with what anyone does lol.


I dunno, I saw aui play with merlini once and he was trying really hard not to flame Merlini's build (radiance rush on centaur) but every 10 seconds he'd mention how much easier the game would be if merlini would just buy a blink. He tries really hard not to offend/flame but he is still willing to share a different viewpoint on item choices and playstyles.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 21 2013 21:28 GMT
#7451
On March 22 2013 04:57 Slardar wrote:
What hero is considered a newb trap for Aghanims? We had this discussion awhile back, can't seem to remember. Necrolyte?

I'd say almost all of the Agh's upgrades are situationally good, but on the whole people prioritize them too highly. E.g. even "good" Aghanim's upgrades like Pugna and Clockwerk should be seen as capstone utility pieces, and not as core items, compared to more fundamental items like Mek and Sheep.

So they're all noob traps in a way.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
March 21 2013 21:31 GMT
#7452
On March 22 2013 06:28 TheYango wrote:
So they're all noob traps in a way.


Wat about tiny?

I mean, yes aghs is only good on carry tiny but isn't carry tiny the only good tiny these days?
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aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
March 21 2013 21:35 GMT
#7453
staff on tiny is op. last time i played tiny in dota 1 his ult was worthless and there was no such op staff available for purchase.
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7596 Posts
March 21 2013 21:46 GMT
#7454
There we go! It was Pugna the ultimate newb trap lol. Yeah Aghanims is core on tiny indeed, if you are going the carry route. That seems to be most popular and effective nowadays.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34503 Posts
March 21 2013 21:50 GMT
#7455
On March 22 2013 06:28 TheYango wrote:
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On March 22 2013 04:57 Slardar wrote:
What hero is considered a newb trap for Aghanims? We had this discussion awhile back, can't seem to remember. Necrolyte?

I'd say almost all of the Agh's upgrades are situationally good, but on the whole people prioritize them too highly. E.g. even "good" Aghanim's upgrades like Pugna and Clockwerk should be seen as capstone utility pieces, and not as core items, compared to more fundamental items like Mek and Sheep.

So they're all noob traps in a way.

I'd say it's pretty crap on Puck, Lich and Luna, off the top of my head.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
March 21 2013 21:56 GMT
#7456
It looks pretty bad on undying too TBH, especially considering all the other useful teamfight items he could get.

(He gets like 5% more damage amp and 1% more heal from nearby deaths basically).
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 21 2013 22:03 GMT
#7457
5% additional amp doesn't sound like a lot but it's really essentially just an additional rank of the ulti. It's not great, but it's situationally worth considering if your team is actually competent and splits up the burden of carrying team items properly (obviously never happens in pub games).
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
March 21 2013 22:09 GMT
#7458
What about Agh's on QoP? I feel like its almost never worth getting over a sheepstick, and then once you get a sheepstick you usually need a bkb.

Oh, you need scepter on Huskar to become the dunking master.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-21 22:25:22
March 21 2013 22:23 GMT
#7459
Agh first and Sheep first on QoP are for totally different kinds of games. A direct comparison between them is virtually meaningless.

Agh's is superior AoE teamfight damage and pushing power (the CD reduction on QoP ult with Agha brings it low enough that you can afford to use it to clear a large creep wave). Sheep is superior solo-killing ability, ganking, and disabling power. One of them isn't clearly better than the other--there are games where each one is appropriate.
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Rhyme
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1069 Posts
March 21 2013 23:08 GMT
#7460
the thing about aghs on QoP is it's most useful at 16 for the massive CD reduction. a level 1 or 2 aghs ult still has a really long CD, so you're better off getting an orchid or sheep before 16 IMO
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