EPTJust make sure you aren't overly reliant on 853 gold if you don't want to keep randoming forever (bottle + 4gg for life)
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LAN-f34r
New Zealand2099 Posts
Just make sure you aren't overly reliant on 853 gold if you don't want to keep randoming forever (bottle + 4gg for life) | ||
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eu.exodus
South Africa1186 Posts
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34507 Posts
On February 19 2013 22:57 eu.exodus wrote: do quelling blades stack in DotA 2? Some places say it does some say it doesn't I'm just gonna go on a limb and say they don't, and you should never have two quelling blades any way. | ||
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
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dudeman001
United States2412 Posts
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Rodberd
Germany531 Posts
he is abusing the terrain a lot, is lvl8 without any trees but with midas and quelling blade. basicly he is stacking radiant camps next to the high tower between bot and mid. than TP up and kill. also the radi-camp which is next to the rune-spot seems to have a tree which you can cut down and hide there so the creeps cant get you there. do you think its viable to keep an eye on that strat and get used it? or do you expect it to be sth like an exploit and will be updated soon? | ||
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eu.exodus
South Africa1186 Posts
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Doomblaze
United States1292 Posts
On February 19 2013 22:57 eu.exodus wrote: do quelling blades stack in DotA 2? Some places say it does some say it doesn't No, they dont (or they shouldn't) On February 19 2013 23:20 dudeman001 wrote: If you're max level do you still dilute experience from teammates? I just looked at playdota and it said yes, so i assume so. On February 20 2013 00:07 Rodberd wrote: right now you can watch EG.Demon playing natures profit on stream. he is abusing the terrain a lot, is lvl8 without any trees but with midas and quelling blade. basicly he is stacking radiant camps next to the high tower between bot and mid. than TP up and kill. also the radi-camp which is next to the rune-spot seems to have a tree which you can cut down and hide there so the creeps cant get you there. do you think its viable to keep an eye on that strat and get used it? or do you expect it to be sth like an exploit and will be updated soon? Ill look at the vod when i can so I can better understand what you're talking about. Seems pretty minor if its an exploit since furion isnt too useful without trees, and i imagine he jungles really slowly. If it is different than wc3 dota in any way, it may be patched though. | ||
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negon
212 Posts
On February 19 2013 16:00 Arisen wrote: This doesn't seem like it really belongs here, but I didn't want to make another thread for this. When do you know when you should start picking heroes instead of randoming every game? By suggestion of some people here on TL I started random APing every game to try to see every hero. When do you know when you're in a spot where you should be deliberatley picking your heroes? Mostly people aren't that good on the games I'm playing (except maybe 1 or 2 key players) so for right now I think I'm still good randoming, but I thought I'd ask The answer is simple, whenever you feel like it. Randoming is not only good to learn all the heroes, it's also an awesome way to be sure that your team will have a courier - myself, I random every game, then buy the chick, even if I'm a hard carry. First of all it means that you will have it even if the other four are complete dickbags who wouldn't buy it, second, it makes you not rely on the bonus gold as much. Anyway yeah, if you feel like your team needs a certain hero, go ahead and pick it - however if you're unable to tell when this is happening yet, just go ahead and random. Even in the higher tiers of matchmaking, pub games can be won with atrocious hero compositions (all carries, all supports, 3+ mid heroes etc), so don't really worry about it - play your best yourself and you'll be fine. | ||
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negon
212 Posts
On February 20 2013 00:07 Rodberd wrote: right now you can watch EG.Demon playing natures profit on stream. he is abusing the terrain a lot, is lvl8 without any trees but with midas and quelling blade. basicly he is stacking radiant camps next to the high tower between bot and mid. than TP up and kill. also the radi-camp which is next to the rune-spot seems to have a tree which you can cut down and hide there so the creeps cant get you there. do you think its viable to keep an eye on that strat and get used it? or do you expect it to be sth like an exploit and will be updated soon? Playing NP this way (killing camps from cliffs) is rather shitty - just clearing the camps with Treants will give you better farm. The reason people play like this is mostly being lazy (you can just alt+tab and do whatever as long as you tp every now and then in the first few minutes of the game). There is also a fairly reasonable explanation, claiming that jungling this way means you will have more mana and allows you to max TP faster, thus allowing you to gank earlier, and way more often (since you won't find yourself with a kill opportunity but not enough mana for a TP) - so it can be good situationally, however in most games you're much better off just jungling the standard way, especially if you're not quite able to tell which one is better yet - in that case just farm normally. Seriously, pub Furions buying QB and then getting their Midas first make me want to rip my hair out because most of them don't really gank at all and are useless for early pushing because they don't have Treants. | ||
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FreeZer
Sweden288 Posts
On February 19 2013 16:00 Arisen wrote: This doesn't seem like it really belongs here, but I didn't want to make another thread for this. When do you know when you should start picking heroes instead of randoming every game? By suggestion of some people here on TL I started random APing every game to try to see every hero. When do you know when you're in a spot where you should be deliberatley picking your heroes? Mostly people aren't that good on the games I'm playing (except maybe 1 or 2 key players) so for right now I think I'm still good randoming, but I thought I'd ask Random until you know the basics of more or less every hero. Then zone in on a few heroes and pick those every game, preferably different classes, one class at a time. That's what I did, and I felt I got really good feeling of how to support well and how to carry well. I also learned more about items this way, as that's the second thing to start worrying about after you feel you know a hero well enough. The ones I zoned in on were wisp, invoker, puck and meepo. | ||
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TheSubtleArt
Canada2527 Posts
On February 20 2013 01:01 negon wrote: The answer is simple, whenever you feel like it. Randoming is not only good to learn all the heroes, it's also an awesome way to be sure that your team will have a courier - myself, I random every game, then buy the chick, even if I'm a hard carry. First of all it means that you will have it even if the other four are complete dickbags who wouldn't buy it, second, it makes you not rely on the bonus gold as much. Anyway yeah, if you feel like your team needs a certain hero, go ahead and pick it - however if you're unable to tell when this is happening yet, just go ahead and random. Even in the higher tiers of matchmaking, pub games can be won with atrocious hero compositions (all carries, all supports, 3+ mid heroes etc), so don't really worry about it - play your best yourself and you'll be fine. As a side note, if you're going to random, do it as soon as the game starts so your teammates can base picks around it. Nothing more annoying than having shitty lanes or team comp because the guys deciding to random do it after everyone else has already picked. Also leads to less fights over mid. | ||
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Narw
Poland884 Posts
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synapse
China13814 Posts
On February 19 2013 16:00 Arisen wrote: This doesn't seem like it really belongs here, but I didn't want to make another thread for this. When do you know when you should start picking heroes instead of randoming every game? By suggestion of some people here on TL I started random APing every game to try to see every hero. When do you know when you're in a spot where you should be deliberatley picking your heroes? Mostly people aren't that good on the games I'm playing (except maybe 1 or 2 key players) so for right now I think I'm still good randoming, but I thought I'd ask So what I did in the beginning was lay out a list of 5-6 heroes for each role (farming carry, semicarry, mid ganker, offlane solo, jungle, initiator/support, hard support, etc.) that I thought looked cool / seemed fun to play, then picked whatever I thought my team needed from that pool. This way you go into the game learning new heroes but also having looked into their skills and builds a bit so you're not clueless. | ||
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synapse
China13814 Posts
On February 20 2013 04:56 Narw wrote: Can you use boots of travel to tp to veno ward? Not sure, but it might be possible considering you can BoT to spiderlings as broodmother. | ||
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34507 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On February 20 2013 07:26 Firebolt145 wrote: They're not considered units, I'm 90% sure you can't. This. Trying to target a ward just ground-targets it for the nearest building. | ||
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castled
United States322 Posts
On February 20 2013 05:14 synapse wrote: So what I did in the beginning was lay out a list of 5-6 heroes for each role (farming carry, semicarry, mid ganker, offlane solo, jungle, initiator/support, hard support, etc.) that I thought looked cool / seemed fun to play, then picked whatever I thought my team needed from that pool. This way you go into the game learning new heroes but also having looked into their skills and builds a bit so you're not clueless. This is a good idea, I need to stop randoming and make these lists. Randoming is fun and I know how to play all heroes, but at some point I feel like you're hurting your progress as a player if you don't repeatedly play the same heroes and refine your play. On another note I have a Razor question. I played him a couple times recently and was lucky enough to be the only viable mid. I never realized his Static Link costs nearly no mana, so in a 1v1 mid situation it's amazing for lane control, especially against low range heroes. I beat a TA pretty badly, which I didn't think would be possible with Razor. My question is, do you think Razor should be considered a solid mid option (in pub games), or do you think I'll get flamed if I pick him and ask for mid? Also what do you think of item builds for Razor? I've been going wraith > phase > aquila > casual vit booster > yasha > s&y > heart. I definitely think Phase boots are better than the recommended treads, as in battles I'm always either running away or chasing as Razor, not just sitting and auto attacking. Anyway let me know if you have any comments about that build... | ||
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Cyx.
Canada806 Posts
On February 20 2013 07:46 castled wrote: Static link can be really powerful in mid against low-range heroes like you found out - Razor's not a bad mid at all, especially in pub games, with that to dominate in CS as well as plasma field (or whatever his q is called) for decent lane control.This is a good idea, I need to stop randoming and make these lists. Randoming is fun and I know how to play all heroes, but at some point I feel like you're hurting your progress as a player if you don't repeatedly play the same heroes and refine your play. On another note I have a Razor question. I played him a couple times recently and was lucky enough to be the only viable mid. I never realized his Static Link costs nearly no mana, so in a 1v1 mid situation it's amazing for lane control, especially against low range heroes. I beat a TA pretty badly, which I didn't think would be possible with Razor. My question is, do you think Razor should be considered a solid mid option (in pub games), or do you think I'll get flamed if I pick him and ask for mid? On February 20 2013 07:46 castled wrote: Also what do you think of item builds for Razor? I've been going wraith > phase > aquila > casual vit booster > yasha > s&y > heart. I definitely think Phase boots are better than the recommended treads, as in battles I'm always either running away or chasing as Razor, not just sitting and auto attacking. Anyway let me know if you have any comments about that build... Your item build's not bad at all - a lot of people will disagree with the sange + yasha, and I think I would usually prefer to turn it into a manta rather than adding the sange, but otherwise you're looking at a fairly standard Razor build I think. I really love building mek on him a la Aui_200 though - the casual vit booster -> later heart route is a good way to get the HP that Razor needs in the midgame without having to build it into a vangaurd, which sucks on him (and all ranged heroes), but I really love the utility of mek, and the armor combined with an aquila will be a solid chunk of armor to sit on in the midgame. I usually follow it up with a BKB because I find that you don't need to build a lot of damage on him if you can manage to get a decent chunk of static link off, and with just mek and BKB he's unstoppable at that point. Also, with that much HP I feel comfortable starting to build into lategame attack speed items - Razor can be a solid lategame carry with very little damage because static link is so good, even beating BKB and invis, so I focus more on attack speed in the lategame with the tankiness afforded by mek and BKB. I like to follow up those items with something like mjolnir/butterfly/manta style in the lategame. This is my weird Razor build though - I random him a lot and totally used to hate him but after like fifteen games where I randomed him I started to love the static link so much. | ||
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PieceOCake
United States67 Posts
I know storm hammer and PA's dagger. I think maybe Spectre's dagger and PL's spear as well? Well, I ask not because I think thats a shorter list than what can be. Whatevers shorter works | ||
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