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pyro19
Profile Joined August 2010
6575 Posts
February 17 2013 22:40 GMT
#6721
Troll warlord doesn't appear on the minimap..Like he literally has no Icon. :O..
I use the icons where every hero has a mini face on the minimap.

Is anyone else also having this problem?
Thy Shall Die Alone...or emm..something like that.
SmackSmack
Profile Joined February 2013
United Kingdom6 Posts
February 18 2013 01:03 GMT
#6722
On February 17 2013 04:35 Cyx. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2013 17:26 synapse wrote:
On February 16 2013 15:49 Cyx. wrote:
On February 16 2013 09:21 Firebolt145 wrote:
Because MKB has a situational aspect to it that allows you to get rid of evasion/missed attacks. Daedalus on the other hand is just more damage.

Well yeah, I understand that one, but that's pretty situational and a lot of people seem to consider mkb as a reasonable core item on Weaver which doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Of course it's situational on anyone who hits people when there's evasion on the enemy team but why does Weaver like it more than other items even if it's less effective on him than it is on other heroes?

You can't crit on geminates. Other than that, I guess the ministun is useful since weaver has no other methods of cancelling channeling.

You can't proc mkb's bonus damage on germinates either, which is why I'm asking.


I've always preferred Desolator to MKB on Weaver. The negative armour actually affects the 2nd attack.
Munchiez
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden7 Posts
February 18 2013 04:41 GMT
#6723
Boots on weaver yes or no?
O_o
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-18 04:57:03
February 18 2013 04:54 GMT
#6724
On February 18 2013 13:41 Munchiez wrote:
Boots on weaver yes or no?

You don't need to get them quickly, but seeing as the most likely boot options (Tranquils, Treads) are both cost-efficient irrespective of how badly you need the movespeed, you will get them.

If you are in a sidelane, you're honestly going to finish Tranquil's first thing anyway, since they're more cost-effective than a Ring of Health for just the regen alone--they're worth it even if you don't care about the move speed at all. From mid, you can delay Boots a bit because you will get Bottle first, though you will still probably want to finish Treads before you start working on a major item.
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valheru
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia966 Posts
February 18 2013 04:55 GMT
#6725
On February 18 2013 13:41 Munchiez wrote:
Boots on weaver yes or no?

Uh really need more info about the situation. A lot of people skip boots until after their first big item (linkens a lot of the time) and go treads then second big item (radiance a lot of the time). From reading the forums (specifically Firebolt145 I think it was...maybe PassiveAce, can't recall) I think tranquils and aquila and some damage item like yasha maybe is better than going for a linkens since you need combat stats for the midgame rather than alot of regen that linkens gives.
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LazyFailKid
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada750 Posts
February 18 2013 06:13 GMT
#6726
On February 18 2013 13:55 valheru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2013 13:41 Munchiez wrote:
Boots on weaver yes or no?

Uh really need more info about the situation. A lot of people skip boots until after their first big item (linkens a lot of the time) and go treads then second big item (radiance a lot of the time). From reading the forums (specifically Firebolt145 I think it was...maybe PassiveAce, can't recall) I think tranquils and aquila and some damage item like yasha maybe is better than going for a linkens since you need combat stats for the midgame rather than alot of regen that linkens gives.

Shouldn't you be going for radiance first if your going to get it at all? Don't really see why you would get a farming item after an item that costs 5k.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
February 18 2013 06:48 GMT
#6727
Linkens into Radiance is literally wasting everything that Radiance could have done for you in the first place. You're Weaver, not AM.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34503 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-18 07:18:23
February 18 2013 07:17 GMT
#6728
If you're going radiance on a hero, it needs to be your first big item. Linkens is a decent second item, particularly if you're facing some big single-target spells that shut you down (doom, roar, etc).

However if you're going solo offlane Weaver you can't really expect to get a Radiance etc with the little farm you get. In that situation it's better to go for smaller items. Get boots and any two out of medallion, urn, drums and aquila, and you will do a ton of damage just from that in the midgame. Make sure you're maxing swarm btw.

Going Yasha into Manta is valid after that.
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Nightmarjoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3360 Posts
February 18 2013 09:32 GMT
#6729
Eh; radiance is so good on Weaver that I think it's ok for him to get it delayed. For most heroes radiance is a farming tool, and while it certainly accelerates weaver's farm, weaver can farm decently well without it thanks to shukuchi and swarm. For weaver it's a teamfight item. Weaver is all about sustained damage but not sustained autoattacking. He hits and runs, damages everyone with swarm and radiance burn, and picks off safe kills with geminate hits.

If your farm isn't going to give you an early radiance I think finishing whatever you can afford and then going back to making radiance is fine. The radiance is never useless on weaver; and I don't see that another item is superior to radiance even if you have to finish linken's first due to farm/game circumstances.

I just had a game where I was the solo hard lane as weaver; I went aquila tranquil medalion (would've gotten a drum, but our invoker got one, so I decided against getting one myself). From there I slowly built radiance by just being involved with my team in fights and the occasional push (we were horribly behind). As I accumulated gold I replaced the midgame item slots with bigger stuff. I don't see that any other item would have been more impactful or beneficial to my team than radiance, even though it was most certainly not a fast radiance.
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valheru
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia966 Posts
February 18 2013 09:32 GMT
#6730
On February 18 2013 15:13 LazyFailKid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2013 13:55 valheru wrote:
On February 18 2013 13:41 Munchiez wrote:
Boots on weaver yes or no?

Uh really need more info about the situation. A lot of people skip boots until after their first big item (linkens a lot of the time) and go treads then second big item (radiance a lot of the time). From reading the forums (specifically Firebolt145 I think it was...maybe PassiveAce, can't recall) I think tranquils and aquila and some damage item like yasha maybe is better than going for a linkens since you need combat stats for the midgame rather than alot of regen that linkens gives.

Shouldn't you be going for radiance first if your going to get it at all? Don't really see why you would get a farming item after an item that costs 5k.

I didn't mean to say that it was good, I meant to say it was fairly popular item, sorry I should have worded that better.
I reject your reality and substitute my own
me_viet
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Australia1350 Posts
February 18 2013 10:46 GMT
#6731
hey i remember there used to be a thread that links all the dota2 guide available on TL. Just wondering if anyone can link me that and if that's still regularly updated. Thanks in advance!
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
February 18 2013 10:56 GMT
#6732
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=370966 stickied in the strategy section. Last updated 4 days ago
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vahgar.r24
Profile Joined October 2010
India465 Posts
February 18 2013 13:33 GMT
#6733
What is the right way to combo for tusk? Snowball (sure target no miss)---> frozen field (q to trap)--> hold my punch hotkeyed and then cygil - is this ok?

Second if crit is important why do people get HP based items on him ? Is battlefury phase and bottle enough?
Somethings are just worth fighting for
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8881 Posts
February 18 2013 13:56 GMT
#6734
walrus punch -> frozen field -> snowball -> cygil -> walrus punch
not a fan of snowballing first because its not exactly hard to run away if you have some distance already.
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
February 18 2013 15:14 GMT
#6735
On February 18 2013 22:33 vahgar.r24 wrote:
What is the right way to combo for tusk? Snowball (sure target no miss)---> frozen field (q to trap)--> hold my punch hotkeyed and then cygil - is this ok?

Second if crit is important why do people get HP based items on him ? Is battlefury phase and bottle enough?

Because you want him to stay alive.
His scaling isn't good enough to build actual DPS items on him. Utility/Teamfight items are much more Tusk's cup a tea.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Nomzter
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden2802 Posts
February 18 2013 15:50 GMT
#6736
How good are really the recomended items for most heroes? especially for my favorite heroes like batrider, juggernaut and tidehunter, and if the default recomended items are not optimal is there some site where I can find good hero builds?
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14912 Posts
February 18 2013 16:34 GMT
#6737
As a rule they're generally ok. Some items like vanguard on any ranged hero or battle fury on bounty hunter are not ideal but usually you'll be ok even if you DO get those items
O INSANE O
Profile Joined May 2011
United States83 Posts
February 18 2013 16:49 GMT
#6738
On February 19 2013 00:50 Nomzter wrote:
How good are really the recomended items for most heroes? especially for my favorite heroes like batrider, juggernaut and tidehunter, and if the default recomended items are not optimal is there some site where I can find good hero builds?


http://www.dota2alttab.com/
maru~
Profile Joined February 2013
2345 Posts
February 18 2013 17:24 GMT
#6739
On February 19 2013 00:50 Nomzter wrote:
How good are really the recomended items for most heroes? especially for my favorite heroes like batrider, juggernaut and tidehunter, and if the default recomended items are not optimal is there some site where I can find good hero builds?

Some are spot-on, some are complete trash. Same goes for guides really.
Use your own brain, and try to adapt to the game.
HigoSeco
Profile Joined December 2010
Chile232 Posts
February 18 2013 17:45 GMT
#6740
Every time i use hookshot on a tethered wisp or the hero he's tethering I get stunned, even if i don't go through the tether.
Is this working as intended or is it just a bug?
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