EPTWhy is that too? Like isn't it ideal to get a Midas if you're farming a lot even if it comes at 10 minutes or something?
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Fruscainte
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Why is that too? Like isn't it ideal to get a Midas if you're farming a lot even if it comes at 10 minutes or something? | ||
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Andre
Slovenia3523 Posts
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On December 18 2012 01:29 Fruscainte wrote: What's the deadline for Midas before it becomes ineffective to get it? Think it was something around 7 minutes? Why is that too? Like isn't it ideal to get a Midas if you're farming a lot even if it comes at 10 minutes or something? before 12min its always worth it, it depends on the flow of the game. If you need to push/will be pushed, don't get it. If its a passive game, why not | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On December 18 2012 01:48 Andr3 wrote: Is it worth getting Ring of Protection on Lucifer instead of stout shield for tanking? How much better is stout shield compared to the armor provided by RoP? Stout is significantly better at low levels. They don't accomplish the same thing. You get Stout for its strength during laning--you get RoP because of the things it builds into. At level 1, Stout Shield reduces 20 damage 60% of the time for an average of 12 damage block per hit. Enemy heroes typically hit for about 50 damage at level 1, meaning that Stout provides about 24% damage reduction. That's equivalent to the same damage reduction % as a little more than 5 armor, which is a LOT more than what you get out of RoP. The effect is even more pronounced for creeps, which do far less than 50 damage. Stout drops off in usefulness as hero damage grows significantly, but at low levels, it's much stronger than RoP. | ||
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forelmashi
421 Posts
according to experience of denied units, at level one against a single melee enemy hero, he would get more experience if you denied a creep than if you had not denied it? | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
On December 18 2012 08:13 forelmashi wrote: http://www.playdota.com/mechanics/experience according to experience of denied units, at level one against a single melee enemy hero, he would get more experience if you denied a creep than if you had not denied it? You mean this part right? Example: A Sentinel player denies a Treant, there are 2 Scourge melee heroes and one Scourge ranged hero within 1000 range of the killed unit. Each melee hero gets 12 (36/3) experience. The ranged hero gets 6 (18/3) experience. I think you got confused. "36/3" means "36 divided by 3" not "36 out of 3". | ||
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forelmashi
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LazyFailKid
Canada750 Posts
On December 18 2012 09:10 forelmashi wrote: if the enemy hero is alone then it's divided by 1...? I would guess so | ||
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B1nary
Canada1267 Posts
Unless it's mega creeps lol | ||
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forelmashi
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cameler1989
Canada15 Posts
Would you guys suggest I play with Bots during the beta period exclusively and then once I understand all heroes play matchmaking? Or is it okay to be a noob and learn on the go? Will I be harassed? Is the community worse than SC2 when it comes to elitist scum virgins telling me I am a noob below masters? | ||
Firebolt145
Lalalaland34507 Posts
On December 18 2012 10:43 cameler1989 wrote: I am starting to play Dota 2, after a long battle trying to get to SC2 masters league, I have failed in that endavour. Would you guys suggest I play with Bots during the beta period exclusively and then once I understand all heroes play matchmaking? Or is it okay to be a noob and learn on the go? Will I be harassed? Is the community worse than SC2 when it comes to elitist scum virgins telling me I am a noob below masters? Don't have to play against bots for the entire beta period. Maybe play against bots for the first 2-3 days or so, learn a few heroes, then just dive into matchmaking. Learn on the job, maybe find a friend that knows the game and he can teach you everything. But yes, you will be harassed. The Dota 2 community is definitely worse than SC2's. Just grow a thick skin, find ways to enjoy the game even when it seems to be going to the shitter, and keep a cool head. Find friends from TL/other places that you can play with so you don't always have to deal with the randomness of solo queueing. Welcome and good luck ~ | ||
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cameler1989
Canada15 Posts
On December 18 2012 10:48 Firebolt145 wrote: Don't have to play against bots for the entire beta period. Maybe play against bots for the first 2-3 days or so, learn a few heroes, then just dive into matchmaking. Learn on the job, maybe find a friend that knows the game and he can teach you everything. But yes, you will be harassed. The Dota 2 community is definitely worse than SC2's. Just grow a thick skin, find ways to enjoy the game even when it seems to be going to the shitter, and keep a cool head. Find friends from TL/other places that you can play with so you don't always have to deal with the randomness of solo queueing. Welcome and good luck ~ Thank you for the advice! It just seems like you can't really be good at this game if you don't know all of the heroes your enemies will be using. I mean their ultimates, ranges and such, if you don't know them you will be very vulnerable... just stating the obvious I guess. | ||
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SnipedAgain
United States17 Posts
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valheru
Australia966 Posts
On December 18 2012 11:44 SnipedAgain wrote: Why does MKB not work against void? The mechanic is that he instant heals the damage he takes rather than dodges the damage. But this means that he can't dodge damage that would kill him so culling blade instagibs him and lina ult at low hp will kill him. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
On December 18 2012 11:44 SnipedAgain wrote: Why does MKB not work against void? Because Backtrack is Backtrack and not a form of Evasion. | ||
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34507 Posts
On December 18 2012 11:50 valheru wrote: The mechanic is that he instant heals the damage he takes rather than dodges the damage. But this means that he can't dodge damage that would kill him so culling blade instagibs him and lina ult at low hp will kill him. Culling blade instagibs absolutely everything so that isn't really a good example. You're also slightly off with the explanation; the heal happens BEFORE the damage is dealt, so he can survive a Lina ult at low hp. The difference is, he can't survive a nuke that does more damage than his max HP; so for example, if he has 500 hp and receives a 600 damage nuke, he can't heal enough to survive that, and he will always die to it. However if he has 100 hp out of 1000 and receives a 500 damage nuke, he can heal up to 600 hp and take 500 damage, thus remaining at 100 hp. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On December 18 2012 11:55 Firebolt145 wrote: Culling blade instagibs absolutely everything so that isn't really a good example. You're also slightly off with the explanation; the heal happens BEFORE the damage is dealt, so he can survive a Lina ult at low hp. The difference is, he can't survive a nuke that does more damage than his max HP; so for example, if he has 500 hp and receives a 600 damage nuke, he can't heal enough to survive that, and he will always die to it. However if he has 100 hp out of 1000 and receives a 500 damage nuke, he can heal up to 600 hp and take 500 damage, thus remaining at 100 hp. Did they actually copy that workaround into the dota2 engine? Seems rather silly to parity the workaround. | ||
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34507 Posts
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valheru
Australia966 Posts
On December 18 2012 11:55 Firebolt145 wrote: Culling blade instagibs absolutely everything so that isn't really a good example. You're also slightly off with the explanation; the heal happens BEFORE the damage is dealt, so he can survive a Lina ult at low hp. The difference is, he can't survive a nuke that does more damage than his max HP; so for example, if he has 500 hp and receives a 600 damage nuke, he can't heal enough to survive that, and he will always die to it. However if he has 100 hp out of 1000 and receives a 500 damage nuke, he can heal up to 600 hp and take 500 damage, thus remaining at 100 hp. Oh I thought he couldn't survive a damage instance that was greater than his current HP. | ||
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