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PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
December 16 2012 21:57 GMT
#5301
Do all forms of cleave stack? if im a sven with 6 bfurys and empower on me do i get the full benefit of all the cleave affects?
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B1nary
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada1267 Posts
December 16 2012 21:58 GMT
#5302
Thanks!

Sven + ult + battlefury + empower + daedalus crit + reverse polarity = 500-ish*2.7*1.55 = 2100 to the entire team.

Wonder if it's ever happened in a real game =D
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-16 22:00:10
December 16 2012 21:59 GMT
#5303
Yes they all work together. Each source of cleave acts independently and deals damage on its own.

So if you have 2 Bfuries a target next to your target will take 35% twice and not 70%.

Which means heroes like void can dodge parts of the damage from a target who has multiple cleave sources.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
December 16 2012 22:03 GMT
#5304
^Thanks!
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Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
December 16 2012 22:48 GMT
#5305
On December 17 2012 06:58 B1nary wrote:
Thanks!

Sven + ult + battlefury + empower + daedalus crit + reverse polarity = 500-ish*2.7*1.55 = 2100 to the entire team.

Wonder if it's ever happened in a real game =D


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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
December 16 2012 23:01 GMT
#5306
On December 17 2012 06:59 Unleashing wrote:
Which means heroes like void can dodge parts of the damage from a target who has multiple cleave sources.

I know it was like this in D1, but is it confirmed to be treated as multiple damage sources in DotA 2? E.g. does having multiple Battle Furies clear multiple Refraction charges from TA? Because by and large many effects that were treated as multiple damage sources in D1 got consolidated to be single sources in D2.
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FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-17 00:08:57
December 17 2012 00:03 GMT
#5307
just tested this, the original target takes 1 instance of damage but those affected by cleave take all the multiple damage sources, so it is like in dota 1

sven with 5 bfuries took away all refrac charges when she got splashed with cleave
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flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
December 17 2012 00:09 GMT
#5308
hell yeah dota1 parity
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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34507 Posts
December 17 2012 00:12 GMT
#5309
sven with 5 bfury new counter to ta obv
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PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
December 17 2012 00:13 GMT
#5310
On December 17 2012 09:03 FinestHour wrote:
just tested this, the original target takes 1 instance of damage but those affected by cleave take all the multiple damage sources, so it is like in dota 1

sven with 5 bfuries took away all refrac charges when she got splashed with cleave

from now on whenever there is a ta on the enemy team I will build six bfurys.
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flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
December 17 2012 00:16 GMT
#5311
Instead of Vangod, you will be...

God I can't think of a good pun.
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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34507 Posts
December 17 2012 00:21 GMT
#5312
battlewarrior?
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McTeazy
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada297 Posts
December 17 2012 02:50 GMT
#5313
I didn't want to make a thread because i'm too lazy to put in the amount of effort, so:

How do you play against spirit breaker? i know he's almost never seen in pro games so he can't be that good... but damn if he doesn't come flying across the map to stunlock me from 3/4 hp to zero... would love some advice!
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FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
December 17 2012 03:06 GMT
#5314
dont be in a place where he can stunlock you then
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Whole
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States6046 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-17 04:18:00
December 17 2012 04:05 GMT
#5315
I've never played Broodmother, but I'm sort of interested in trying her out. However, I'm kind of confused about her playstyle. A lot of times, I see a Broodmother simply split pushing a lane for the whole game, and some other times I see players pushing their lane's T1 tower, and then trying to fight/gank. I never see the second playstyle work. But, I don't want to make generalizations from pub play.

What is/are the proper way(s) to play Broodmother, is she even good (well I assume not to pick her vs an AoE comp), and what late game item should you go for her (I know you want Vlads, Soul Ring, BKB, and Treads...what else?)

edit: More specific than "How to play BM": I'm more confused on how to play Broodmother late game. Do you try to carry while farming via split pushing/jungling?
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7596 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-17 04:36:58
December 17 2012 04:34 GMT
#5316
For Broodmother, generally that first style you mentioned is best / most successful in pubs. If you're pushing often, you need a pushing team + coordination...unlikely.

BM was always mehish...with the emergence of Magmus + Bounty buff they completely dominate the off-lane now. So she's sorta bad....anything flies in pubs though!

Level 1 Web, max web and Q can get ultimate at 6 or later. Use your webs to destroy all the trees. Farm the lane, if there is too many sentries call for a gank from middle, buy your own sentries as well. Once you're a bit higher level and if the lane is still rough you can abandon it and farm the enemy jungle.

All Brood REALLY needs is a BKB + treads imo. Vlads way way later, that is straight out of oldschool. Soul Ring > Vlads, Vlads has no purpose now. Majority of Chinese play BM with Midas+Soul ring into BKB. Then whatever situation requires after, like BFly or Monkey King. If you're not opting for Midas, Orchid is a more risky / fair choice to control the enemies. Although you are now a glass cannon without BKB so be careful. GL.

Most important thing to know: She fell out of favor from competitive play because of the nerf to her avatar. She fugly now .

McTeazy
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada297 Posts
December 17 2012 06:23 GMT
#5317
On December 17 2012 12:06 FinestHour wrote:
dont be in a place where he can stunlock you then


alright i'll just stay out of his vision the whole game
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Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12178 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-17 06:36:14
December 17 2012 06:30 GMT
#5318
On December 17 2012 15:23 McTeazy wrote:
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On December 17 2012 12:06 FinestHour wrote:
dont be in a place where he can stunlock you then


alright i'll just stay out of his vision the whole game


Go as 2. Your ally stuns SB. Breaks his combo, you stun him, SB is dead.

Basically, be more than them, play 5 man Dota if you have to.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
December 17 2012 07:40 GMT
#5319
I actually think broodmother is still really good in pubs. I even played twice vs a KoTL lane (once with DK, the splash from illuminate+dragon breath is so fucking annoying) and came out fine.

Basically you just have to do the normal pushing, but be super aggressive whenever possible. Try not to miss any last hits, and if they bring along sentries, bring your own. I generally start with soul ring recipe + branches + regen and a clarity or something, but generally the most important is the soul ring recipe. Once you have soulring the lane is a piece of cake.

Generally most heroes cannot withstand your burst if you get even a partial surround on them with spiders.

Usually my build involves maxing spawn spiderlings, getting at least two points in web, one point in incapacitating, and then getting ulti. Sometimes I'll max web and spawn if I know I can't get a kill, or if I'm being harassed a lot, but usually against pubs you're able to get one or two kills.

The aggressive style of play (and sending your broodlings into the jungle to farm) nets me an orchid between 11 and 15 minutes. At that point you're basically unstoppable 1v1, so you just keep split pushing and it keeps pressure off the rest of your team. You just use spiderlings to keep watch in the jungle (as they farm) so that you're not met with any surprise ganks.
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
December 17 2012 12:29 GMT
#5320
When i random brood in pubs i'll often go mid and build soul ring, obviously. But after that i build phase boots or treads(Depending on game) and manta into BKB and just go for a combat-oriented brood, i never had a lot of success with split-pushing in pubs myself. Afterwards playing items like MKB, butterfly, daedalus, AC depending on enemy line-up obviously.
She falls off lategame and isn't the best mid-game carry, but it's been working for me, you can always try it out.
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