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On August 15 2015 17:02 Spaylz wrote:
Not related to the game itself, but a question for aussie TLers:
I recently moved to Australia, and I want to get back into Dota 2.
Do you guys play on aussie servers, or others? If others, what ping do you get?
I'm quite curious! Thanks.
Australians and Kiwis play on the Australia server most of the time, with a few playing on SEA or USwest. I get ~30 ms ping from NZ, but I know some Aussies get worse ping. It will depend on your ISP and location.
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Australia. 60ms for me, servers are in Sydney.
SEA is about 150, USW is 200+, nothing else is playable. I play 99% AU unless the servers are down for some reason.
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Was there a Boxer/Flash of dota?
Someone who showed complete dominance for an extended period?
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I mean Vigoss through 6.48b maybe?
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United States47024 Posts
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On August 17 2015 02:59 TheYango wrote:
EHOME 2010
oh yeah this is right after I left but pretty obviously the answer in terms of teams afaik
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I was wondering in more terms of just one player that really stood out as mechanically gifted.
Dominant lane stage regardless of the pressure and lack of help.
Looking back at some of the games I was considering Dendi?
I guess kind of like the best player on the best team having high placements for close to 3 years in terms of pro dota?
Or did the teams not stay together very long?
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United States47024 Posts
On August 17 2015 04:36 MaCRo.gg wrote:
I was wondering in more terms of just one player that really stood out as mechanically gifted.
Then using Flash/Boxer as your comparison point makes zero sense, as neither player's dominance came from mechanical supremacy.
On August 17 2015 04:36 MaCRo.gg wrote:
Dominant lane stage regardless of the pressure and lack of help.
The problem is that this is inherently a laning- and mid lane-centric view of the game, and has very little correlation to being the most successful player. Being able to win your lane every game doesn't necessarily translate into dominance over the game as a whole.
On August 17 2015 04:36 MaCRo.gg wrote:
Looking back at some of the games I was considering Dendi?
Dendi was at times considered the strongest mid laner, but never bonjwa-level dominant. And even when he was the strongest, it was not really for flawless laning fundamentals, but good overall execution and read on the game while playing tempo heroes--but again, it's hard to separate his individual ability in that regard from the team.
On August 17 2015 04:36 MaCRo.gg wrote:
I guess kind of like the best player on the best team having high placements for close to 3 years in terms of pro dota?
The closest player to having this kind of extended dominance is Burning--was on EHOME 2010, then subsequently on DK 2011/2012.
But on the whole it's really hard to separate a player's dominance from a team's dominance in this way.
EDIT: Also, on basically no iteration of Na'Vi would I consider Dendi to be the "best player on the best team". The real backbone of TI1/TI2 era Na'Vi was LightofHeaven (and Ars-Art to a lesser extent). And on TI3/TI4-era Na'Vi, Dendi had a lot of flubs over the year on heroes he was uncomfortable with.
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I guess from your answers Yango that the answer to my question is probably Burning.
He still places high and seems to be a very stable performer, even in iG's lack of performance during group stages he still had his moments.
I guess I was looking for a performances like QO's TA that willed his team to victory at times.
Right now Sumail looks pretty strong to become a clear standout player of that caliber.
On August 17 2015 05:08 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2015 04:36 MaCRo.gg wrote:
I was wondering in more terms of just one player that really stood out as mechanically gifted. Then using Flash/Boxer as your comparison point makes zero sense, as neither player's dominance came from mechanical supremacy.
Flash is one of the most dominant mechanical players ever. I don't know how you could question his mechanical supremacy.
Boxer liked his cheese but he had great mechanics, he was a relevant player such late into his career because of his mechanical gifts.
Making zero sense doesn't really fit this situation, I'm just trying to get a sense of Dota's past dude.
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United States47024 Posts
On August 17 2015 05:37 MaCRo.gg wrote:
Flash is one of the most dominant mechanical players ever. I don't know how you could question his mechanical supremacy, it was pretty clear that he could out play all his opponents.
Boxer liked his cheese but he had great mechanics, he was a relevant player such late into his career because of his mechanical gifts.
No. Both players played in eras where many of their opponents were not at all weaker than them in mechanical skill. What separated them both was a deeper understanding of the game.
Where do you think Flash's maphack-like game sense came from? Mechanical skill?
To say that either was dominant because of mechanical supremacy is both a disservice to them as well as their rivals.
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On August 17 2015 05:40 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2015 05:37 MaCRo.gg wrote:
Flash is one of the most dominant mechanical players ever. I don't know how you could question his mechanical supremacy, it was pretty clear that he could out play all his opponents.
Boxer liked his cheese but he had great mechanics, he was a relevant player such late into his career because of his mechanical gifts. No. Both players played in eras where many of their opponents were not at all weaker than them in mechanical skill. What separated them both was a deeper understanding of the game. Where do you think Flash's maphack-like game sense came from? Mechanical skill? To say that either was dominant because of mechanical supremacy is both a disservice to them as well as their rivals.
It's definitely arguable that Jaedong and Bisu had better mechanics than Flash, but Flash had starsense ;_; and terran OP
Boxer was just a genius for his time, same as Yellow.
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Switzerland11984 Posts
Boxer also never 'showed complete dominance for an extended period of time', that's a misconception of people who started watching BW after his prime. He was the best player in the world for a decent amount of time and very successful for a very long time (even when he had no business to be anymore if you all you judged by were his fundamentals), but he never showed the kind of domination the other bonjwas did.
He was also not considered a bonjwa until everyone started picking up on the term and decided he must be one because he's one of if not the most legendary BW player of all time. And he was never a player defined by his mechanics.
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flash was godlike mechanically too. yeah he had really good game sense but people seem to forget that there were some games where he just steamrolled people through sheer mechanics. his army control and macro as a terran were unparalleled.
as for dota players you cant have someone whos dominant because no matter how good you are if your team lets you down you will lose games.
there are many players who at times could have been called best in their respective positions or favourites to win lane/game though. even then, most of them never last a long period because the patch changes and they fail to adapt for a while or team shuffles cause them to play below standard.
one player in particular i can think of who suffered from this is zsmj. burning and zhou were solid carries but zsmj really showed the world what farming speed and efficiency really was. lgd dominated a lot of teams including the dominant ehome just until everyone switched to dota 2 and everyone on lgd abandoned zsmj and he went on hiatus. now no one considers him anywhere near burning level
so basically you cant be consistently god-tier level forever because sooner or later the game changes to a point where you need more time to adapt than others and you fall off for a while
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flash's mechanics were imba yo.
if you want to have someone that is most predominantly successful in term of star sense, it has to be savior. That guy was miles ahead of his times in terms of game sense.
but to talk about individuals in dota like that doesn't make much sense. mechanical abilities are far less important in dota than in starcraft.
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United States47024 Posts
On August 17 2015 13:48 evilfatsh1t wrote:
flash was godlike mechanically too.
I never said he wasn't, but that wasn't the critical element in his dominance.
Sure, he could wreck B-class progamers in 10 minutes with his mechanical advantage. But there's really only one opponent that actually mattered in assessing Flash's dominance in that era. And Flash's mechanics are not why he was a better player than Jaedong.
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United States2186 Posts
On August 17 2015 05:37 MaCRo.gg wrote:I guess from your answers Yango that the answer to my question is probably Burning. He still places high and seems to be a very stable performer, even in iG's lack of performance during group stages he still had his moments. I guess I was looking for a performances like QO's TA that willed his team to victory at times. Right now Sumail looks pretty strong to become a clear standout player of that caliber. Show nested quote +On August 17 2015 05:08 TheYango wrote:On August 17 2015 04:36 MaCRo.gg wrote:
I was wondering in more terms of just one player that really stood out as mechanically gifted. Then using Flash/Boxer as your comparison point makes zero sense, as neither player's dominance came from mechanical supremacy. Flash is one of the most dominant mechanical players ever. I don't know how you could question his mechanical supremacy. Boxer liked his cheese but he had great mechanics, he was a relevant player such late into his career because of his mechanical gifts. Making zero sense doesn't really fit this situation, I'm just trying to get a sense of Dota's past dude.
Back in dota 1 and in the beginning of dota 2 there was a noticeably significant gap. In 2010 Ehome basically slapped aside all the western teams and stunned the world. Burning would start 1v3 in the offlane as Medusa or Drow and end up being the leading farmer at 20 minutes. MMY completely trashed all these hyped western mids like Dendi or Korok by ludicrous margins, then took over the game himself. Dota1 had a lot of annoying "features" that allowed more room to outplay people as well due to annoying interface stuff. Even at TI2 Ferrari's games were basically one highlight reel after another, MMY was dodging Blink Burrowstrikes with Storm zips or instantly lifting a Brewmaster after he blinked but before the clap (nobody knew what preselecting was), Dendi stole Ravage so consistently when others couldn't, and you could clearly tell the difference in caliber between people like YYF and LoH vs any other offlaner, or the chinese carry trifecta of Burning/Zhou/Sylar.
Dota is way too nuanced to make judgments like this now that the skill gap between everyone is less and less. In 2015 the Chinese don't have much of that general individual skill edge they've always possessed anymore. Team strategy also plays an extremely massive role in how individual skill looks to viewers, and most viewers only see the tip of the iceberg in terms of player skill anyways.
i,e team secret was said to be gods with amazingly skilled players at every position. "Arteezy best player ever, Kuroky #1 rubick zai young prodigy blah blah" But this ignored how massive of a strategic edge they entered every game with, which allowed them to get outplayed and still win games. When Ehome took this strategy advantage away from them at TI suddenly people said "oh they had bad games." No they were never that godlike to begin with, and suddenly they don't look so hot when the enemy also super talented players like Lanm and Cty know how you play and just tear you apart. Then after the Ehome loss they don't have that perfect confidence anymore nor a super strategic edge, and lose to a 2nd rate Virtus Pro where suddenly wonderboy Arteezy gets ganked 1-9 on Luna and Kuroky/s4 have no impact.
Sumail might very well have turned out to be no different than qojqva had he not been blessed to been put on a team of such strong mental fortitude and strategic genius ppd. I could make a very convincing argument that Sumail is 4th or 5th best on his team, considering that no other top core player outright loses games for his team as much as Sumail does nor does any core player get as much hand-holding from his team as Sumail has. There's no way he's any better than Maybe for example.
For a pretty solid 6 monthsish, DK of 2013-2014 had the best players in every position....but then suddenly they didn't play like that at TI and ended up losing to teams who had some severely worse players like EG or Rotk. The gap just ain't that large. Maybe there are still some clear individual advantages on very difficult heroes like the Puppey Chen, Burning AM, Fy Rubick, Maybe Ember, and Ferrari/Ice3 Invoker but even hard heroes like Storm or SF are too close now. Is Cty better or worse than Sumail on Storm? Is Arteezy better or worse than Mushi on SF? Is MMY or Lanm the #2 Rubick? Who can tell. Amusingly, I'd say that the Meracle Naga is probably still the biggest individual skill advantage over anyone else on that hero for whatever reason, possibly because he doesn't play in a real league and people don't have the incentives to copy him anymore.
tldr; figuring out and isolating individual skill in this game in 2015 is way too bloody difficult.
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that was an entertaining read
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is there a way to 100% transfer all settings from one account to another without setting up everything manually?
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Northern Ireland22212 Posts
On August 17 2015 18:23 Andre wrote:
is there a way to 100% transfer all settings from one account to another without setting up everything manually?
all of the settings for your particular user are in Steam/userdata/xxxxxxxxx/570/remote/cfg
where 'xxxxxxx' refers to your steam account number, and 570 is the appid for dota.
so copy all of the files in that folder to the xxxxxxxx folder of your second account
in fact, just copy the remote folder, as all the stuff in there is useful. like in the scripts folder, you have your control groups saved (eg. it remembers how your meepos are hotkeyed)
guides folder has all of your custom recommended item builds
after doing all of that, when you launch the game on your second account, you will probs get a steam cloud conflict notification, in which case you tell it to use the settings on your computer
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Playing as Jugg against an Omni lineup. When should I get Diffusal? Typically I go PMS, RoA, Phase, SnY. Get immediately after?
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