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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-20 22:51:47
May 20 2015 22:50 GMT
#21921
There's a bug that treats the spot where a hero last died as it's position prior to respawning, so it gets Glimpsed back to the location of it's last death.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-20 22:58:02
May 20 2015 22:57 GMT
#21922
On May 21 2015 07:50 eieio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2015 07:38 DinoMight wrote:
What happens if you glimpse a unit that didn't exist 4 seconds ago?

I mean is there a way to do this other than somehow getting to the opponent's fountain in the first 4 seconds of the game?

glimpse a recently spawned meepo clone? or just any recently created illusion i guess

regardless, i assume it goes back to wherever it was created
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eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
May 20 2015 23:00 GMT
#21923
On May 21 2015 07:57 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2015 07:50 eieio wrote:
On May 21 2015 07:38 DinoMight wrote:
What happens if you glimpse a unit that didn't exist 4 seconds ago?

I mean is there a way to do this other than somehow getting to the opponent's fountain in the first 4 seconds of the game?

glimpse a recently spawned meepo clone? or just any recently created illusion i guess

regardless, i assume it goes back to wherever it was created

oh duh lol

yeah I'd assume that as well
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
May 20 2015 23:50 GMT
#21924
doesn't glimpse instantly kill illusions or am I just high
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
May 20 2015 23:57 GMT
#21925
it does, but you could be high as well
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eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
May 21 2015 01:47 GMT
#21926
On May 21 2015 08:50 ahswtini wrote:
doesn't glimpse instantly kill illusions or am I just high

wait that's originally what I thought but I TRUSTED sn0man since he you know plays this game outside of testing mechanics stuff
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Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6230 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-21 03:52:38
May 21 2015 03:52 GMT
#21927
I was bored enough to test that. A new meepo clone goes to where it spawned.

Was kind of hoping dota would crash. Oh well.
Fleetfeet
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Canada2550 Posts
May 21 2015 05:01 GMT
#21928
There's some strange mechanic involving Weaver's Time Walk and when you skill it as well, if I remember correctly. It returns you to the point in time where you skilled it, I think. Might be full of shit, not sure.
GentleDrill
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom672 Posts
May 21 2015 07:04 GMT
#21929
On May 21 2015 06:02 xAdra wrote:
Best way to counterpick a Bristle-Undying dual offlane? I haven't seen such a disgustingly powerful abuse of FOTM heroes before.


Leave the game?

More seriously, have supports abandon the lane, stick a survivable hero solo there with a stick, aggro tri.

Basically turn your safe lane into your offlane. I doubt that lane is beatable in pubs. Just avoid fighting it.
ChunderBoy
Profile Joined August 2011
3242 Posts
May 21 2015 07:30 GMT
#21930
On May 21 2015 16:04 GentleDrill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2015 06:02 xAdra wrote:
Best way to counterpick a Bristle-Undying dual offlane? I haven't seen such a disgustingly powerful abuse of FOTM heroes before.


Leave the game?

More seriously, have supports abandon the lane, stick a survivable hero solo there with a stick, aggro tri.

Basically turn your safe lane into your offlane. I doubt that lane is beatable in pubs. Just avoid fighting it.

id rather keep the carry there (something with mobility to not get dived) and have free space for 2 supports to jungle/roam/runes and not show on map
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
May 21 2015 07:39 GMT
#21931
On May 21 2015 14:01 Fleetfeet wrote:
There's some strange mechanic involving Weaver's Time Walk and when you skill it as well, if I remember correctly. It returns you to the point in time where you skilled it, I think. Might be full of shit, not sure.

it was because the "timer" on time walk that tracks where you were 5 seconds ago only starts when you levelled time walk. i think this was fixed though
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
rebdomine
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
6040 Posts
May 21 2015 08:36 GMT
#21932
Wasn't the "timer" for time lapse implemented by having an invisible Weaver being located where the real one was located 5 seconds ago?

Or was that the DotA 1 implementation?
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Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6230 Posts
May 21 2015 08:40 GMT
#21933
That's the dota1 implementation, which caused the aforementioned bug. I would be surprised if that behaviour had been intentionally ported.
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
May 21 2015 08:48 GMT
#21934
Is there some tricks outside of good focus/attention to counter PL? Dispell + cliff hoping makes doppelganger very hard to play around. I've yet to lose with the new PL and I just had two huge comeback games on his back, played by other players.
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Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-21 09:16:24
May 21 2015 09:15 GMT
#21935
Strong initiation is good overall. When PL gets to start right clicking and using all his spells/manta the illusion number quickly grows to the point where its very hard to find the right one. At that point you're kinda left to just hoping your heroes can deal with it. If you have a Timber, lucky you. If you have a Drow, Lifestealer, Viper or similar, prepare to die.

So the point is you dont wanna ever let it reach that point. With something like an Axe call or similar which can start the fight on the PL you can hopefully burst him down before it gets out of hand. A good PL will obviously make it hard to land an initiation on him, but if your heroes cant clear the illusions your only chance is to find him quick and kill him fast in fights before he gets to do anything.
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
May 21 2015 09:38 GMT
#21936
On May 21 2015 18:15 Kreb wrote:
Strong initiation is good overall. When PL gets to start right clicking and using all his spells/manta the illusion number quickly grows to the point where its very hard to find the right one. At that point you're kinda left to just hoping your heroes can deal with it. If you have a Timber, lucky you. If you have a Drow, Lifestealer, Viper or similar, prepare to die.

So the point is you dont wanna ever let it reach that point. With something like an Axe call or similar which can start the fight on the PL you can hopefully burst him down before it gets out of hand. A good PL will obviously make it hard to land an initiation on him, but if your heroes cant clear the illusions your only chance is to find him quick and kill him fast in fights before he gets to do anything.

In fact PL counters timber, it becomes very hard to get a second round of spells because of the mana drain and doppel makes it easy to dodge his first round of spell until PL can tank it.
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
May 21 2015 10:10 GMT
#21937
you need to suppress the pl and crush his team early. i dont think i've lost a game where i've had freefarm and once i get my skadi/satanic, the illusions just become too much to deal with
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
May 21 2015 11:11 GMT
#21938
I have a related question: What to do when you random PL and the enemy team picks gyro,qop, es and ds?
I assume we just rat whole game and hope for the best?
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Saki [NETOGE]
Profile Joined November 2014
United States235 Posts
May 21 2015 11:26 GMT
#21939
Lose. Or, you can go for an early fighter PL without ulti?
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nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
May 21 2015 11:27 GMT
#21940
On May 21 2015 20:11 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
I have a related question: What to do when you random PL and the enemy team picks gyro,qop, es and ds?
I assume we just rat whole game and hope for the best?

BKB is a decent pickup on PL now.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
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