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Jaeger
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1150 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-04 20:18:23
May 04 2015 20:18 GMT
#21721
https://www.dotabuff.com/players/8137911
Jisira
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
470 Posts
May 04 2015 20:55 GMT
#21722
On May 05 2015 04:54 Sn0_Man wrote:
That actually brings up some interesting play scenarios as you could astral somebody, then ult their team as astral is ending to then have time 5v1
although thats also magical christmas land, to borrow a phrase from MTG theorycrafting.


The question is; when do you get the 5 man OD ult?

Also, question - what defines a passive that applies to break? Riki invis does not break. Bristleback, Necromastery, Berserker's Blood and Essence Shift come to mind as a few abilities that could be huge to shut down.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-04 20:56:30
May 04 2015 20:55 GMT
#21723
What defines it is the list posted in the patch notes afaik

All 3 of the ones u listed break afaik

And yes as I said, "magical christmas land" aka theorycrafting that pretty much never applies to reality.
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Jisira
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
470 Posts
May 04 2015 21:27 GMT
#21724
On May 05 2015 05:55 Sn0_Man wrote:
What defines it is the list posted in the patch notes afaik

All 3 of the ones u listed break afaik

And yes as I said, "magical christmas land" aka theorycrafting that pretty much never applies to reality.

I listed five of them, and I know that one of them does not break. It's getting to the point where I just opt out of SE because it's so inconsistent when I haven't tried it in that specific matchup yet...
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
May 04 2015 21:28 GMT
#21725
oh i didn't see necromastery
the other 3 that weren't in the "i know doesn't work" pile do work.
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Jisira
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
470 Posts
May 04 2015 21:32 GMT
#21726
On May 05 2015 06:28 Sn0_Man wrote:
oh i didn't see necromastery
the other 3 that weren't in the "i know doesn't work" pile do work.

Essence Shift stops reapplying by Break, but you can't purge the stacks... I guess this just means I have to know when his stacks disappear. If SF buys back and gets a kill with SE Break on him and does not get souls it's pretty significant. I gotta try that one later.
Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-05 07:45:07
May 05 2015 07:44 GMT
#21727
OD aghs seems to exist solely so that the guy who keeps saving enemies with astral can progress to saving the entire enemy team with astral.
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-05 09:08:59
May 05 2015 07:57 GMT
#21728
On May 05 2015 16:44 Belisarius wrote:
OD aghs seems to exist solely so that the guy who keeps saving enemies with astral can progress to saving the entire enemy team with astral.

I mean it seems more like a disengage tool. Since it doesn't give you a damage boost or any extra utility you probably aren't going to be going aghs if you're trying to do more damage. The effect could synergize with some long-setup spells, or you could potentially use it to set up an enemy-only chrono etc.

On May 05 2015 05:55 Jisira wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2015 04:54 Sn0_Man wrote:
That actually brings up some interesting play scenarios as you could astral somebody, then ult their team as astral is ending to then have time 5v1
although thats also magical christmas land, to borrow a phrase from MTG theorycrafting.


The question is; when do you get the 5 man OD ult?

aghs still does increase the radius of the ult to 800, it's not that uncommon.
:)
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
May 05 2015 19:08 GMT
#21729
Again, with Refresher, it's just way more damage than before.

You need some obscene Int difference for the multiplier increase on the old Agha to come anywhere close to the amount of damage the 2nd ulti adds with multiple heroes worth of Int steal. And by obscene I mean "not possible in a real game".

Basically this just turns Agha into "mediocre utility without Refresher, but crazy damage with Refresher".
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VelJa
Profile Joined October 2011
France1109 Posts
May 06 2015 13:45 GMT
#21730
but how did he did more damage?
astral gives only +6 intel or a shit like that no ?
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
May 06 2015 14:09 GMT
#21731
13 int steal
so thats + 13 to OD and minus 13 to the other guy, 26 int difference. Plus 13 more int stolen per target hit. If you hit 5 people its 78 additional int difference.

At 10 dmg per int, thats 780 more dmg on ur second ult
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govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-06 14:38:36
May 06 2015 14:33 GMT
#21732
Interesting, snoman so inspiring with these calculations....so, i tried my hand at a calculation example for a very lategame scenario with the OD ultimate against axe.

220 int ..... lvl25 6-slotted OD
+30 int ..... Alchemist aghs (+30 int from atos)
- 96 int ..... lvl25 6 slotted axe
+78 int ..... Added int to OD according to Sno
---- +
232 int difference

equals

2320 damage to axe. Like wtf, i must have screwed something up i guess, because this isnt even fair, or is it?
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-06 14:44:49
May 06 2015 14:44 GMT
#21733
the added damage only occurs on your 2nd ult if you have a refresher
also 78 requires a 5-man first ult

also aghs is 10 int.
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VelJa
Profile Joined October 2011
France1109 Posts
May 06 2015 14:45 GMT
#21734
Sno man, 2 words
[image loading]


User was warned for this post
ANGRY_KOREA_MAN. -- Giff WC4 plz
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
May 06 2015 14:58 GMT
#21735
Protip: dota is not fair
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
Irratonalys
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany902 Posts
May 06 2015 15:18 GMT
#21736
where can i find the keyboard commands for all the emoticons i have?
The futures uncertain , but the end is always near
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
May 06 2015 15:20 GMT
#21737
I believe you can see all the emoticons by pressing the face button to the right of your chat-box ingame
(press enter to bring up chatbox and the icon to see all ur emoticons is on the right)
clicking one enters the text that will be replaced with an emoticon, usually :text: such as :laugh: etc
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Jotoco
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil1342 Posts
May 06 2015 15:22 GMT
#21738
War is not fair, so why call it warfare?
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-06 16:33:17
May 06 2015 16:32 GMT
#21739
On May 06 2015 23:44 Sn0_Man wrote:
the added damage only occurs on your 2nd ult if you have a refresher
also 78 requires a 5-man first ult

also aghs is 10 int.

Well, or 3-4 man first ult + regular Astral once or twice to clean up the stragglers.

But yeah, if you look at the numbers Sn0 gave, it's pretty easy to see why Icefrog made the damage comes before the Int steal lol.
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Courvoisir
Profile Joined March 2015
Germany9 Posts
May 08 2015 12:38 GMT
#21740
Does octarine core work with passives? like the centaur return? or Nyx carpece? and do Item-Spells cout aswell?

Thanks for answer in advance
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