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zdarr
Profile Joined September 2010
France375 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-23 20:00:28
April 23 2015 19:59 GMT
#21661
I think it's a bad habit ppl got when they were playing wc3. Before a certain update, you had to press alt to see the health bar of the creeps, so you had to toggle it to last hit

Ty guys for the tinker information, i didnt know !
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12235 Posts
April 24 2015 03:58 GMT
#21662
The "perfect game state" is an interesting concept, but like some other posters have said, Dota is too fluid a game to ever settle in a particular state. The genre demands periodic infusions of new heroes and new items to avoid becoming stale. Existing heroes may interact and synergize with those new items and new heroes in unexpected ways, necessitating balance updates.

The other side of it is tournament drafting. What we hope happens is that teams bootcamp in isolation for a few weeks and emerge with Secret Strats, then whoever has the best Secret Strat makes it to the finals and ultimately wins. What actually happens is teams do that for the first round or two and then emulate what other teams do, often poorly. Like the whole Naga Morphling thing from TI that Western teams tried because the Chinese teams were looking strong, and they were using these heroes, hey we can do that too even though this isn't what we practiced during bootcamp! I found that to be pretty irritating because in a tournament setting, teams should be rushing to adapt to their opponents' plans between each game (and during the draft itself).
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Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6230 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-24 07:53:36
April 24 2015 07:41 GMT
#21663
I'm not sure that's actually what we hope happens, though. That was exactly what happened last TI and it directly resulted in the most boring final ever when VG's Secret Strat got figured out.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
April 24 2015 16:46 GMT
#21664
On April 24 2015 16:41 Belisarius wrote:
I'm not sure that's actually what we hope happens, though. That was exactly what happened last TI and it directly resulted in the most boring final ever when VG's Secret Strat got figured out.

It also resulted in many equally boring games along the way with teams that weren't prepared for VG "secret strat" and got crushed in 15 minutes because they lost at the draft.
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Beezleking
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada91 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-24 23:30:54
April 24 2015 23:30 GMT
#21665
On April 24 2015 04:49 Ayaz2810 wrote:
Real question: why are pros always tapping ctrl randomly? Is it to look for changes on theinimap faster? I don't really get it.

If you control + (action) you tell all of the units under your control to do that (action). Really handy for Lone Druid.
SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
April 24 2015 23:45 GMT
#21666
What was the "ViCi Secret Draft"?
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Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
April 24 2015 23:57 GMT
#21667
VG had 2 secret drafts at TI4

One where they picked heroes that walked up to other teams and killed them
The other where they picked heroes that waited for 35 minutes, then killed the other teams
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
Cocacooh
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway1510 Posts
April 26 2015 01:12 GMT
#21668
Is it possible to bind the middle mouse button in dota 2?
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
April 26 2015 02:19 GMT
#21669
why do neutrla creeps spawn at 0:30 instead of 0:00?
is there some balance issue surrounding this? or was it just coicidence and never changed
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
April 26 2015 03:08 GMT
#21670
On April 26 2015 11:19 evanthebouncy! wrote:
why do neutrla creeps spawn at 0:30 instead of 0:00?
is there some balance issue surrounding this? or was it just coicidence and never changed

Probably so that junglers don't get an early start... I dunno
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
April 26 2015 03:19 GMT
#21671
On April 26 2015 11:19 evanthebouncy! wrote:
why do neutrla creeps spawn at 0:30 instead of 0:00?
is there some balance issue surrounding this? or was it just coicidence and never changed

I'd assume it's because if they spawned at 0:00 you could clear a camp and make it to lane before the creeps met
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Buckyman
Profile Joined May 2014
1364 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-26 04:34:10
April 26 2015 04:33 GMT
#21672
Tournaments used to ban pulling the first creep wave; it might have something to do with that.
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
April 26 2015 05:59 GMT
#21673
there was a swap of creep camps... the easy camp next to the lane which must be stacked and pulled now, was it actually a hard camp that can completely fuck up the offlane if pulled before?
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
April 26 2015 09:07 GMT
#21674
On April 26 2015 14:59 evanthebouncy! wrote:
there was a swap of creep camps... the easy camp next to the lane which must be stacked and pulled now, was it actually a hard camp that can completely fuck up the offlane if pulled before?

It was a medium camp before.
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govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-26 12:49:00
April 26 2015 12:48 GMT
#21675
On April 26 2015 10:12 Cocacooh wrote:
Is it possible to bind the middle mouse button in dota 2?


Dont know if it works, but i found this thread on logitech, i quote:

For DOTA2, you simply add the game to your advanced settings. <drive>:/steam/steamapps/common/dota 2 beta/dota.exe

Then you can bind the forward/back keys as well as the side to side keys. An easy way to find the path is to launch the game, then go to task manager, find the game name.exe, right click, properties. This will find the path needed to bind the game executable. Then you should be able to bind keystrokes to the buttons.
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aboxcar
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
United States447 Posts
April 26 2015 13:05 GMT
#21676
We used to use autohotkey to rebind keys

but beware, most tournaments don't like letting you install anything but drivers
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c1neK
Profile Joined April 2010
Poland41 Posts
April 26 2015 13:09 GMT
#21677
Guys and girls how does one improve hes mechanics? I strongly believe it is my weakest skill in this game but tbh i have no clue how to work on it and improve. I do know how agro works, i do know how to pull etc but it seems like i always let my self get outharrased or i just suck at controling the lane be it 1v1 or 2v2. Halp!
Buckyman
Profile Joined May 2014
1364 Posts
April 26 2015 16:06 GMT
#21678
There's a 1v1 mid queue if you want to practice only laning mechanics.
Nightmarjoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3360 Posts
April 27 2015 08:46 GMT
#21679
How does Medusa have any impact at any point of the game?

I like the hero thematically, but cannot win with her to save my life. At every point in the game I wish I had more items to have an effect. I've run her mid, but mostly play her out of safelane. I've tried dominator builds for stacking for farm acceleration, I've tried madness for farming + fighting, I've tried orchid for fighting, I used a lot of maelstrom openings for farm/fight balance, I've tried builds like pointbooster -> mkb for just enough tank into flat dps, and I've tried everything in between what I just described. I've made bkbs and mantas. Unless my team completely flopped my cs is usually quite high, I just feel like I can't help my team no matter what items I have. Even when 6slotted with mjolnir butterfly mkb rapier skadi bots even if I win the game just feels so much harder than it should be given my items. I've run her with treads and phase. The few times I feel like my item progression was really good I can't catch the enemy to sustain dps. I've built hex before to alleviate that and it's still just not enough.

The item I like most consistently on her is maelstrom, sometimes with a madness, sometimes not. Mjolnir is nice on her once she has skadi's tankiness. I never know how quickly to try and get those big items though. I've tried rushing mael skadi mjolnir, I've tried getting dom or madness or yasha before mael for increased farming or fighting capacity. I've tried making a bunch of midgame items to quickly put 2k blocks of gold into hopefully immediately useful items. All to no avail.

I've tried split shot max for heavy farming and snake max for fighting.

I've played enough of her that by this point if it's just a matter of consistently incorrectly adapting my item build to the game/enemy team I should have accidentally done the right thing and won more often.

I've tried different theoretical approaches to making her useful: heavily focusing on stats to give her high mana pool to maximize the strength of mana shield while using the longevity to snake the enemy team a couple times, or getting just a casual point booster to make into skadi later and then bee-lining flat dps in mkb or bfly or mjolnir to use with split shot asap, or not touching stats items and relying on innate stats for manashield which already makes her tankier than other heroes and either going for flat dps or lightning, or trying to make her a split pusher to pressure the enemy until I get big, or trying to just make her a farm machine with stacks to safely get big asap. None of these approaches have consistently done well.

Is there something glaringly bad about my approach or am I missing something critical?
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VelJa
Profile Joined October 2011
France1109 Posts
April 27 2015 10:30 GMT
#21680
We run with my friend a MEdusa midd yesterday

our point was to allow her to get farm easyly till the midd game (we secdured midd with wards, and supports had tp for backup if she was engage). at 20 she had manta.
then at 20m we group as 4 and started pushing tower. we just create space like hell for our medusa.
She manage to get a lot of farm and just a+click ennemy base at 40m (2 divine at the end ^^)

The point is that she need a LOT of stuff to be good.
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