You can also use Omniknight's repel to isolate an enemy hero out of sleep if you cast it before song; though I'm not sure how often that's more useful than using repel on an ally.

Plansix

United States60190 Posts

April 06 2015 13:13 GMT

#21402

Simple question about treads switching because I couldn’t find it: If you are playing a hero like AM or PL where you are switching every cast of Blink and dopple(60/50 mana), what is the net mana loss after the switch/cast?

Unleashing

Denmark14978 Posts

April 06 2015 13:22 GMT

#21403

You still lose 60/50 mana but you lose a smaller percentage of your total mana-pool by doing it so when you switch back you have overall saved a few percentages of mana.

How much you actually save depends on too many factors to be able to just give one answer, if you have 400 mana with non-int treads then you have 504 with int-treads and you as such only lose approximately 10% mana by using doppel with int treads compared to losing 12.5% without int treads.
So you saved 2.5% of your total mana pool by switching which with a 400 mana pool is about 10 mana. This means that after tread switching 5 times you've saved an entire doppel worth of mana.

Those numbers and percentages are specific to a mana pool of 400 without using int treads though, with a smaller or larger mana pool the numbers change, the smaller your mana pool is the more effecient using int treads for spells will be.

Plansix

United States60190 Posts

April 06 2015 13:37 GMT

#21404

I assumed it was more complicated since there was no "simple guide" on there on it. But the moral of the story is that switching pays more at lower mana pools and the more often you have to use the spell. So use its a lot on heroes like AM or PL.

aboxcar

United States447 Posts

April 06 2015 16:13 GMT

#21405

while we're talking about tread cutting,

if you have soul ring + treads. you soul ring on strength and cut to int to cast

used to come up on broodmother a lot but i switched to phase boots..

FHDH

United States7023 Posts

April 06 2015 16:27 GMT

#21406

On April 07 2015 01:13 aboxcar wrote:
while we're talking about tread cutting,

if you have soul ring + treads. you soul ring on strength and cut to int to cast

used to come up on broodmother a lot but i switched to phase boots..

Definitely. Somewhat uncommon boot to have with Soul Ring though.

Geisterkarle

Germany3257 Posts

April 06 2015 18:31 GMT

#21407

Because I see a Nightstalker right now in a game

Can Rubick steal Darkness from a Nightstalker? And if yes, how does it effect himself and the enemy Nightstalker?

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

April 06 2015 18:34 GMT

#21408

afaik you don't get implicit night vision but you do reduce the enemies vision (including the NS) when you cast darkness. So generally you'd use it to impede nightstalker's night vision at night without extending the night where possible (although you could also save it to directly counter his darkness with your own, is pretty good.

That said, the aghs vision on nightstalker is also model implicit and I *think* isn't reduced by rubick-stolen darkness (unsure). soooo then it gets bad. And I don't think that rubick with aghs stealing darkness gains any particular upgrade so...

Xxazn4lyfe51xX

United States976 Posts

April 06 2015 22:44 GMT

#21409

On April 07 2015 01:27 FHDH wrote:

Show nested quote +

Definitely. Somewhat uncommon boot to have with Soul Ring though.

But, quite useful in the context of slark! Treads on int when you cast dark pact and burn the mana, switch to str before the health loss kicks in. Really helps your jungle.

l3loodraven

2753 Posts

April 07 2015 00:26 GMT

#21410

Are you sure int-dark pact-agi-right clicks isn't more efficient? considering you're just going to regen all your hp anyway because you're slark.

Belisarius

Australia6233 Posts

April 07 2015 01:57 GMT

#21411

You would switch to agi straight after the pact burn ends, so it's only 1-2 rightclicks on str.

Treads+SR is relevant on a lot of heroes, particularly storm.

Xxazn4lyfe51xX

United States976 Posts

April 07 2015 02:56 GMT

#21412

On April 07 2015 10:57 Belisarius wrote:
You would switch to agi straight after the pact burn ends, so it's only 1-2 rightclicks on str.

Treads+SR is relevant on a lot of heroes, particularly storm.

Yeah, the proper sequence is int, dark pact, switch to str, self damage, switch to agi. Lots of fun. Good for anyone who wants to practice tread switching.

Excalibur_Z

United States12269 Posts

April 07 2015 04:40 GMT

#21413

On April 07 2015 03:31 Geisterkarle wrote:
Because I see a Nightstalker right now in a game

Can Rubick steal Darkness from a Nightstalker? And if yes, how does it effect himself and the enemy Nightstalker?

When you use Darkness as Rubick, this happens.

(He facepalms because it offers no benefit to you, only the enemy Night Stalker)

Although new Darkness with the reduced vision component is much better to steal. Previously it was completely worthless to steal.

SpiritoftheTunA

United States20903 Posts

April 07 2015 22:19 GMT

#21414

this is mainly a question for yango, mechanics and wc3parity lord:

does the behavior where if the frontswing of an auto attack starts, the attack will complete no matter what, giving some melee units the illusion of having range when having slowed attack speed, come from wc3 dota? barnyyy called it a bug but i always assumed it was just behavior that enforced wc3parity.

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

April 07 2015 22:59 GMT

#21415

No, it's a bug, plain and simple.

Autoattacks in Warcraft 3 don't "complete no matter what". They have a range buffer where if the unit remains within the range buffer, the attack will complete, but if the unit leaves the range buffer before the frontswing completes, the attack fails.

This behavior works normally in DotA 2 in most cases, it's just that slows can do weird things to a melee unit's range buffer for some reason, which causes the crazy autoattack range bug you're referring to. It's not War3 parity.

SpiritoftheTunA

United States20903 Posts

April 07 2015 23:21 GMT

#21416

oh, ok. interesting~ thanks!

Ack1027

United States7873 Posts

April 08 2015 02:10 GMT

#21417

Remember that time the game was lost cuz dota 2 ancient has bd protect

Xxazn4lyfe51xX

United States976 Posts

April 08 2015 03:10 GMT

#21418

If I'm remembering correctly, wouldn't melee attacks sometime "miss" (the red miss would show up too) if the target moved out of range during the frontswing but the animation would complete?

ahswtini

Northern Ireland22213 Posts

April 08 2015 08:52 GMT

#21419

i'm pretty sure that's just when the target leaves the range buffer. i don't know if the attack frontswing animation ends as soon as the target leaves the buffer, or if the frontswing will play out completely.

BluemoonSC

SoCal8933 Posts

April 08 2015 13:37 GMT

#21420

i mean i've seen some pretty long range right clicks in the past. im no expert on the mechanics and im definitely not a paritylord but i would imagine that the attack completes once it begins even if you're slowed by, say, untouchable?