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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
However, pubs often don't work out unless ur leading from in front even as an underfarmed defensive support so there's definitely value to swapping in somebody for a free kill or just leading from the front to get an initial stun then trying to retreat to the back of the fight. Basically ur ideal goal is to be a get-out-of-jail-free card for ur farmed carry, but often u end up being the bait, pulling ur team along by the nose. But with venge it's all tactical feed cuz u lower their damage  | ||
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govie
9334 Posts
I remember a fnatic game against a chinese team (i think it was mlg semi finals but not sure), where the vengefull spirit initiated a teamfight around the mid t2 tower and swapped a hero closest to the highground and forced herself up highground afterwards to provide a clean 4v5 teamfight. | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
on second thought, blink seems fine in my head even for losing/even games... the deciding factor is more about whether you'll need defensive force staffs on your allies, if you won't, blink seems better | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
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YurnerotheJuggernaut
Faroe Islands65 Posts
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
no, nobody ever has "no portrait" | ||
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DinoMight
United States3725 Posts
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Buckyman
1364 Posts
Role 1: Initiator - Start the fight by swapping an enemy into a compromised position, stun their best counter-initiator and force staff away. Hopefully this destroys the enemy team's cohesion enough for your team to win the fight, because you're probably dead. Wave of Terror gets pre-cast or used for scouting, and Vengeance Aura is a debuff. Role 2: Counter-initiator - Stun the enemy initiator, try to get a 3-target Wave off, and either Swap a teammate out of trouble or hold it to cancel a specific channeled ult. Role 3: Aura Wagon - Stay near your carry, Wave and right click whoever they start hitting, stun whoever threatens them, and use Swap to help them pick off targets after a won fight. Vengeance Aura is an important buff. This is a more important role if you've built Vlad's, Mek or Drums for the extra aura benefits, and more gold-dependent. Role 4: Right Click Carry - Stun someone, wave them, right click them to death, use Swap to get yourself out of trouble, repeat. You need a lot of items to make this work, most of which don't go well with the other styles. | ||
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Geisterkarle
Germany3257 Posts
If a Rubick would be stealing spells during that channel time. Does he get the skill that was last used before the channeling or the actual spell? | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
so for Sand King, as soon as he starts the channel, the skill has been cast as it's on cooldown and you get his ult. For Shadow Fiend, it's not really a channel so much as a seriously extended animation and can be cancelled any time before it goes off without costing you the cooldown, so you'd get his most recent raze. | ||
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YurnerotheJuggernaut
Faroe Islands65 Posts
On liquiddota? no, nobody ever has "no portrait" My apologies for not specifying. I meant in-game. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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BluemoonSC
SoCal8933 Posts
On February 05 2015 08:05 DinoMight wrote: I always prefer Blink Dagger but is there merit to Force Staff on Venge since if you swap into a fight to save someone most likely you'll get hit before you can blink out (3 second cooldown...). I like blink too but as it was mentioned, your role in team fights needs to be established first. blink swapping an ally that was out of position can be extremely clutch, especially if you swap them over a cliff or something. however, force staffing an ally then reserving the swap for a reengagement has merit too. ultimately, if I can, i'll get both tbh..mobility is your greatest weapon on this hero. | ||
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SilverSkyLark
Philippines8437 Posts
edit: nvm it's xiaotuji from NewBee, got the answer off of twitter. | ||
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
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synapse
China13814 Posts
On February 05 2015 08:05 DinoMight wrote: I always prefer Blink Dagger but is there merit to Force Staff on Venge since if you swap into a fight to save someone most likely you'll get hit before you can blink out (3 second cooldown...). More likely you just get force because it's really hard to save up for blink on vs. | ||
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FFGenerations
7088 Posts
today i see Chuan pause a game for 3 seconds in order to allow his SF to think about how to escape. the pause was like 100% responsible for giving the SF the time he needed to decide how to escape. IS IT JUST ME OR IS THIS COMPLETE BULLSHIT AND THE TEAMS SHOULD BE DISQUALIFIED? THIS HAPPENS TOURNEY AFTER TOURNEY AND HONESTLY I CAN'T TELL IF ITS JUST ME BEING "ANAL" OR IS THIS ACTUALLY BLATENT CHEATING INFRONT OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE AND JUST NO1 HAS THE BALLS TO CALL THEM OUT??? | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
On February 06 2015 23:33 FFGenerations wrote: so yesterday? i saw Super pause a game for like 3 seconds to co-ordinate his team into immediately performing a gank. the pause was 100% responsible for giving them the time they needed to communicate the engagement and succeed the gank. today i see Chuan pause a game for 3 seconds in order to allow his SF to think about how to escape. the pause was like 100% responsible for giving the SF the time he needed to decide how to escape. IS IT JUST ME OR IS THIS COMPLETE BULLSHIT AND THE TEAMS SHOULD BE DISQUALIFIED? THIS HAPPENS TOURNEY AFTER TOURNEY AND HONESTLY I CAN'T TELL IF ITS JUST ME BEING "ANAL" OR IS THIS ACTUALLY BLATENT CHEATING INFRONT OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE AND JUST NO1 HAS THE BALLS TO CALL THEM OUT??? huh did this actually happen the way you described? cuz i'm pretty sure reddit will have raised it if it were true | ||
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Qbek
Poland12923 Posts
On February 06 2015 23:33 FFGenerations wrote: so yesterday? i saw Super pause a game for like 3 seconds to co-ordinate his team into immediately performing a gank. the pause was 100% responsible for giving them the time they needed to communicate the engagement and succeed the gank. today i see Chuan pause a game for 3 seconds in order to allow his SF to think about how to escape. the pause was like 100% responsible for giving the SF the time he needed to decide how to escape. IS IT JUST ME OR IS THIS COMPLETE BULLSHIT AND THE TEAMS SHOULD BE DISQUALIFIED? THIS HAPPENS TOURNEY AFTER TOURNEY AND HONESTLY I CAN'T TELL IF ITS JUST ME BEING "ANAL" OR IS THIS ACTUALLY BLATENT CHEATING INFRONT OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE AND JUST NO1 HAS THE BALLS TO CALL THEM OUT??? This isn't the thread for this. So either make a thread in the General section for discussion on the subject, or call 800-MERLINI to report all cases of Puppey Pausing | ||
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ChunderBoy
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