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Ryder.
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On January 06 2015 01:33 TheYango wrote: Also, Corrosive Skin is an attack speed slow, while Shadow Strike isn't. Shadow Striking Viper also means you fuck with your own ability to lasthit against Viper for the next 19s due to the Corrosive Skin slowing down your attack speed/animation. AND you can't use your Bottle either in that time cuz you're taking damage. If it's rank 1 Shadow Strike only, the relative damage of Corrosive Skin and Shadow Strike makes it not worth casting after level 3 or 5. If QoP is maxing Shadow Strike, a QoP that maxes Shadow Strike is more of a liability than a Viper that got Bottle. You should be able to bottle through levels 1 + 2 of corrosive skin, it doesn't deal 20 damage until level 3. | ||
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eieio
United States14512 Posts
What changed to make these rules obsolete? Was it simply improvements in player skill/understanding of the game? Better balance between items? A change in balance philosophy? (a better question might be what made these rules necessary/seemingly necessary at the time) | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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Birdie
New Zealand4438 Posts
On January 06 2015 17:40 TheYango wrote: EDIT: nm I'm tired Ah that edit, was about to say I'm pretty sure you can bottle through things like pudge's rot and others. | ||
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VelJa
France1109 Posts
On January 06 2015 16:29 eieio wrote: I remember years ago most tourneys had a limit on buying certain items, ie you could only have a certain amount of sheepsticks, necrobooks, etc. What changed to make these rules obsolete? Was it simply improvements in player skill/understanding of the game? Better balance between items? A change in balance philosophy? (a better question might be what made these rules necessary/seemingly necessary at the time) from what I remember, those rules was created to stop flyng courier hex/dagon abuse | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
so u could triple mek and rax at like 15 min none of the other items (necro, sheep, etc) were ever as broken as mass mek, but they got limits imposed on them too | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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hariooo
Canada2830 Posts
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Varth
United States426 Posts
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eieio
United States14512 Posts
On January 07 2015 00:45 VelJa wrote: from what I remember, those rules was created to stop flyng courier hex/dagon abuse That's actually something I hadn't thought about at all! Makes sense, I was only thinking in terms of the 5 heroes and it was hard to see why the rule would ever be needed. On January 07 2015 04:30 Dead9 wrote: from what i remember mek used to have no team cd (25s before next mek or w.e) so u could triple mek and rax at like 15 min none of the other items (necro, sheep, etc) were ever as broken as mass mek, but they got limits imposed on them too I remember when mek had no team CD, but that was easily patched in-game once it was found to be so abusable. I'm more curious as to why tournaments felt the need to impose these rules *outside* of the game, especially when as far as I could tell there hadn't been a fundamental change that nerfed mass hex/book. However the courier abuse answer seems to explain this. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 07 2015 07:15 Varth wrote: The reason why viper wins is early points in nethertoxin make it almost impossible to last hit in early levels for the qop. Nethertoxin doesn't apply to denies. Attack speed slows from Poison Attack and Corrosive fuck up her lasthitting way more, especially since QoP actually has a below-average animation (her good projectile speed makes up for it in normal scenarios, but the animation itself is poor, meaning she's disproportionately affected by strong attack speed slows). | ||
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fourthirds
Canada132 Posts
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Slardar
Canada7596 Posts
On January 07 2015 08:27 TheYango wrote: Nethertoxin doesn't apply to denies. Attack speed slows from Poison Attack and Corrosive fuck up her lasthitting way more, especially since QoP doesn't actually has a below-average animation (her good projectile speed makes up for it in normal scenarios, but the animation itself is poor, meaning she's disproportionately affected by strong attack speed slows). Never thought about the Shadow Strike vs Corrosive math that is interesting indeed. End of the day I guess she can just Scream down waves and bottle rune control, and use Blink to evade the Viper Strike. Attack animation is the opposite of Razor lol, his whip flies fast but delay on the attack landing QoP does a full body swing but damn that thing dagger flies faster than a Sniper bullet. Dota folks. | ||
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nomel
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Qbek
Poland12923 Posts
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Velzi
Finland659 Posts
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VelJa
France1109 Posts
On January 07 2015 09:59 fourthirds wrote: Let's say I am a hero with 300 base move speed, boots of travel (+100) and euls (+40). I have 440 move speed total. If someone else on my team is nearby and pops drums charge for a total of +15% move speed, do I gain a total of 66 move speed (15% of all my move speed items) or just 45 move speed (15% of my base movement speed)? Please can someone answer this, its really a good question  | ||
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JD.
Australia250 Posts
On January 07 2015 18:21 VelJa wrote: Please can someone answer this, its really a good question 66 MS. | ||
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VelJa
France1109 Posts
thanks. | ||
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