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phantomlancer23
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
733 Posts
January 04 2015 18:26 GMT
#20241
Is radiant arteezys block dead now?I mean when you sit in second stone and all creeps go right before the tier3 tower.Sorry if it is old news i hadnt played for weeks.Where is the best to sit now for blocking?
Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
January 04 2015 18:31 GMT
#20242
On January 05 2015 03:26 phantomlancer23 wrote:
Is radiant arteezys block dead now?I mean when you sit in second stone and all creeps go right before the tier3 tower.Sorry if it is old news i hadnt played for weeks.Where is the best to sit now for blocking?

Still works for me most of the time.
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phantomlancer23
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
733 Posts
January 04 2015 18:44 GMT
#20243
On January 05 2015 03:31 Birdie wrote:
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On January 05 2015 03:26 phantomlancer23 wrote:
Is radiant arteezys block dead now?I mean when you sit in second stone and all creeps go right before the tier3 tower.Sorry if it is old news i hadnt played for weeks.Where is the best to sit now for blocking?

Still works for me most of the time.


Ah i just did it.It seems more difficult now.I got over 90% success in older versions but now i dont know it became much harder something changed in pathing maybe.
Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
January 04 2015 18:49 GMT
#20244
I felt like there might have been a change but if I stand perfectly correct then it works consistently so I don't know.
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BoZiffer
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1841 Posts
January 04 2015 21:40 GMT
#20245
Two mid questions: best mid to counter TA? Good mid options vs. Viper?
FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
January 04 2015 21:48 GMT
#20246
On January 05 2015 06:40 BoZiffer wrote:
Two mid questions: best mid to counter TA? Good mid options vs. Viper?

I don't think there is a better counter to TA than Viper, at least among traditional mids.

As far as Viper goes, this has come up before and I can't remember recommendations for "beating" Viper in lane but the consensus seemed to be to pick a hero that can get OK farm and will just be better for your team than Viper is for his. I think that is reasonable. Winning your lane isn't necessary to be in a position to win the game.

If it was I'd be about 500 MMR higher right now.
После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
January 04 2015 22:27 GMT
#20247
qop is fine against viper imo
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-04 22:40:00
January 04 2015 22:39 GMT
#20248
Bat used to be the old counter to ta, no idea if that still works now that his damage has been nerfed to shit. Also Venomancer of the non-traditional mids
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
January 04 2015 23:01 GMT
#20249
On January 05 2015 07:27 FFGenerations wrote:
qop is fine against viper imo

QoP has a hard time leveling the low-level advantage she has against a lot of other heroes because of Corrosive Skin. Her level 1-3 strength relies on the efficiency of Shadow Strike and her high base damage, but Nethertoxin prevents her from really getting a lasthit advantage, and Corrosive Skin does more damage back to you than you deal with Shadow Strike at all ranks (on top of basically removing solo-kill possibilities with the high magic resistance).

If the Viper is greedy and doesn't level Corrosive enough, you can look for a kill if he plays greedy, but otherwise, you're forced to play pretty passively and use Bottle-Crow + Scream. And if the Viper applies pressure to your Bottle timing well, it's really hard for you to stabilize.
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KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14912 Posts
January 05 2015 04:47 GMT
#20250
On January 05 2015 06:40 BoZiffer wrote:
Two mid questions: best mid to counter TA? Good mid options vs. Viper?


razor is pretty good vs TA, steal all her damage she can't do anything
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-05 05:03:26
January 05 2015 04:58 GMT
#20251
thanks for the tip. as i play more i understand how important it is to get cs advantage so you can get your item progression and saying qop is @fine@ is pretty inadequate. i think when i made that post just 5 hours ago i was thinking @u can blink out when he hits u/catches u out@ lol. i see very few vipers (amazingly/luckily/lately) and i look forward to playing against more heroes and better players.............in 200 games when/if i hit 3.3k with this account (wtf).

so much for my kda. look what u done to my cs http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1141349850

(maybe its just that ive only gotten english speakers today lol)
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Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-05 09:37:28
January 05 2015 09:36 GMT
#20252
Not an expert on the matchup exactly, but QoP should at least force the Viper to get a bottle with her Shadow Strike. Thats honestly a small win right there, Viper can and wants to skip bottle in many other matchups. Bottle-QoP vs non-bottle-Viper should be totally fine if not even hard for Viper.

Honestly people should focus a bit less on countering mid heroes in lane though imo. The answer to "how to counter X" is pretty much always Viper/Razor/OD, but none of those three are statistically very good pub heroes. It's kinda hard to make an impact alone and you cant really snowball off your early farm advantage. Although they can be very effective with an organized team around them.
Jaeger
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1150 Posts
January 05 2015 15:52 GMT
#20253
On January 05 2015 18:36 Kreb wrote:
Not an expert on the matchup exactly, but QoP should at least force the Viper to get a bottle with her Shadow Strike. Thats honestly a small win right there, Viper can and wants to skip bottle in many other matchups. Bottle-QoP vs non-bottle-Viper should be totally fine if not even hard for Viper.


I don't follow your logic, shadow strike does more damage to QoP than viper and I don't see how it forces viper to get a bottle.

FWIW the dotametrics 1v1 chart (a bit dated now) had the matchup as 77-23 in viper's favor.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-05 16:39:07
January 05 2015 16:33 GMT
#20254
Also, Corrosive Skin is an attack speed slow, while Shadow Strike isn't. Shadow Striking Viper also means you fuck with your own ability to lasthit against Viper for the next 19s due to the Corrosive Skin slowing down your attack speed/animation. AND you can't use your Bottle either in that time cuz you're taking damage.

If it's rank 1 Shadow Strike only, the relative damage of Corrosive Skin and Shadow Strike makes it not worth casting after level 3 or 5. If QoP is maxing Shadow Strike, a QoP that maxes Shadow Strike is more of a liability than a Viper that got Bottle.
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govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-05 16:53:22
January 05 2015 16:53 GMT
#20255
Although the table is for that 1v1 gamemode or something, can i assume the phantom assasin is a good choice against the mid viper?
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-05 17:04:38
January 05 2015 17:02 GMT
#20256
It's decent. I can't confidently say it's an outright win, but I think she at least gets enough out of the lane to make it worth it considering how much stronger than Viper she becomes later.

If you rank up Blur a couple times with like 2 ranks in Dagger and Bottle, Viper basically stops being able to contest your farm because between Dagger, Stout, and evasion, he doesn't do enough damage to you.
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zdarr
Profile Joined September 2010
France375 Posts
January 05 2015 17:20 GMT
#20257
Does the zeus chain lightning procc corrosive skin if it's not the main target ? If not, could it be a good response to lane-raping-viper as it is to lane-raping-silencer ?
Jaeger
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1150 Posts
January 05 2015 17:55 GMT
#20258
On January 06 2015 02:20 zdarr wrote:
Does the zeus chain lightning procc corrosive skin if it's not the main target ? If not, could it be a good response to lane-raping-viper as it is to lane-raping-silencer ?


I'm pretty sure it does but I don't think it matters too much. IIRC corrosive doesn't cancel clarity so you can stand a safe distance away and last hit with arc lightning spam. Viper should never be able to get enough lane pressure to be able to tower dive you for a kill.
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govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
January 05 2015 18:00 GMT
#20259
On January 06 2015 02:02 TheYango wrote:
It's decent. I can't confidently say it's an outright win, but I think she at least gets enough out of the lane to make it worth it considering how much stronger than Viper she becomes later.

If you rank up Blur a couple times with like 2 ranks in Dagger and Bottle, Viper basically stops being able to contest your farm because between Dagger, Stout, and evasion, he doesn't do enough damage to you.


Thx. i can use that for more draftoptions.
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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
January 05 2015 18:15 GMT
#20260
On January 06 2015 02:20 zdarr wrote:
Does the zeus chain lightning procc corrosive skin if it's not the main target ? If not, could it be a good response to lane-raping-viper as it is to lane-raping-silencer ?


"The damage and slow are applied whenever Viper takes damage from any source (except for HP Removal)."

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