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KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14893 Posts
January 04 2013 14:55 GMT
#61
The regen from heart is nice when you're sieging high ground. If you get taken down to half hp walk away for 10 seconds and you're good to go. Can't do that with skadi
Deleted User 261926
Profile Joined April 2012
960 Posts
January 06 2013 12:54 GMT
#62
Can you farm a radiance in reasonable time ?

Tranquil, vit booster into radiance. Follow with an obvious heart (no other damn option in most of the games, a superfat radiance spectre is the most annoying one: following with diffu before heart is borderline dumb 90% of the times),diffu/manta

Are you not having room for farming ?

Phase,janggo,diffusal,manta.

Some people aren't really convinced by janggo on spectre but it gives 9 to all stats,3 damage and some very useful perks for 1750 gold. Before it gave 9 damage instead of 3 but yeah... still very good.
Sp12
Profile Joined January 2013
8 Posts
January 09 2013 04:38 GMT
#63
I think I can speak briefly on Skadi Spectre. I'm the author of one of the original guides proposing the item.

http://de.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/15w0zf/item_discussion_of_the_day_heart_of_tarrasque_jan/ has some good information as well.

Skadi is a strong alternative to heart, but only if you're the primary carry on your team and will be building damage items later. You cannot passively carry with it by being unkillable, something enabled by heart's regen in oldschool radiance builds. It costs the same. It offers 25 IAS, 25 damage, 500 mana, a 20% anticarry IAS decrease, a 30% MS slow, 3.5 armor, and 300 less HP. It has no out of combat regen.

You can't go heart as a first item or they'll ignore you, and rushing radiance leaves you with no HP so you're easily burst. You can compromise with a vitality then radiance, but can you actually farm 3800 without any real presence save for dagger+desolate? In contrast, Skadi first gives you good durability but also enough DPS and annoyance with the slow that they can't kill you or ignore you, as well as a strong early game.

Skadi is also a strong alternative to diffusal vanguard. If you go diff+vanguard you have committed yourself to getting at least 5 kills in the next 10 minutes with it. Both are mid-game items that do not offer much at all past 25 minutes. In contrast, Skadi is a tier 4 item that, in my opinion, does a lot of what diff+vanguard does without giving yourself a timer. You can show up via haunt with realistically unburstable HP and use your slow to kill a support or two. You don't block yourself on slots or prevent a lifesteal orb. Skadi fits tons of stats into one item.

It also gives you a strong early game. At the time vanguard is finished you will have a tranquils, point booster, and an OoV. OoV should be considered core on Spectre because of how powerful it is combined with desolate and dagger. Point booster is like a vitality booster in terms of giving you HP to work aggressively in the early-mid game, but also gives you mana for a second dagger -- something Spectre desperately lacks in the first 20 minutes.\

Perhaps best of all, you don't have to get heart or skadi. Get both. Assuming you got one AoE damage item (Mjollnir or Radiance), that and the Skadi slow means they really can't ignore you even if you have 3K+ HP. Alternatively, get damage items and lifesteal. Though a strong first or second item, you can grab Skadi as your 5th or 6th.
ImTeach
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden7 Posts
January 09 2013 06:18 GMT
#64
The thing with spectre is that u can farm like an retard and still be able to join fight and it will only take 1 sec, if u play spectre u have to use ulti to join fight then u can be able to farm more than the other carry + Radiance!!!
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Nightmarjoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3360 Posts
January 24 2013 00:40 GMT
#65
Could you do tranquil maelstrom heart diffusal skadi mjolnir? Any merit to that? Just alternating improving efficacy with increasing durability. I realize you don't get much out of the illusions with that build, but how useful is 7 seconds of radiance burn even going to be every 120 seconds? With my proposed build, is diffusal even worth it by that time? Is diffusal more of a midgame item?
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