EPTSpectre: How to Farm
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Yacobs
United States846 Posts
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Unleashing
Denmark14978 Posts
That's really it. For pubs some people go for drum into diffusal into manta. You can't rely on your team to let you farm a radiance and then farm your next few big items. This build lets you just fight without having to risk not getting a radiance since the build-up is shit. I've also seen people try battlefury on her. I prefer radiance myself since i don't pick spectre unless i have people i know to play with so getting the radiance rarely proves to be a problem. Midas is midas, you can go for it, but you'll still need a real farming tool if you're trying to go late, and it only delays it and if you can go straight for the radiance i'd personally rather do that. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
It's one of the weak points of the hero. If she goes for earlier combat items, she loses out on farming power because she has no inherent farming ability. If she goes for Radiance, she delays her combat ability for a very long time. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
What I do is solo middle her. Get Bottle/Urn Treads Drums -> Diffusal/Radiance. It's a gank build relying on early levels/runes to dictate momentum. The style was adopted from Pis/2009 in their videos. Many underestimate what she can do early on when she has levels. | ||
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Unleashing
Denmark14978 Posts
On December 18 2012 03:10 TheYango wrote: Pretty much Radiance. It's one of the weak points of the hero. If she goes for earlier combat items, she loses out on farming power because she has no inherent farming ability. If she goes for Radiance, she delays her combat ability for a very long time. Yea, i hope IF gets around to adress it, hopefully making her stronger in lane and reworking dagger or one of her other abilities. Or just give us the old dispersion back.  | ||
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aintz
Canada5624 Posts
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theSAiNT
United States726 Posts
Old dispersion was super broken. | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On December 18 2012 04:15 aintz wrote: why would you get drums on spec? ? For the same reason you get it on pl. Its better than shitty vanguard, gives mana and a slight mvt speed. Also the build up is good. | ||
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Denmark14978 Posts
On December 18 2012 04:15 aintz wrote: why would you get drums on spec? Gives her overall good stats, the move-speed is always great and it's one of the most cost-effecient items in the game. And improves her pitiful mana pool as well. | ||
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Klonere
Ireland4123 Posts
On December 18 2012 04:15 aintz wrote: why would you get drums on spec? Mid game all in build, you get phase drums, try and snowball through kills/ganks with ult and team. If you don't get your items in a timely fashion/ganking gets shut down, you'll be way behind with no way to catch up and outfarm without a radiance. Spectre needs Radiance pre-20 mins to not lose vs competent opponents. If you don't have it by then....good luck! | ||
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Entertaining
Canada793 Posts
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kaNt-
163 Posts
After radiance, what items do you like on her? | ||
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RuskiPanda
United States2906 Posts
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kaNt-
163 Posts
So i like to go Radi, yasha, manta, heart/skadi, butterfly/bkb. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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RuskiPanda
United States2906 Posts
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Klonere
Ireland4123 Posts
I feel that heart is the item that truly lets you shine with spec in teamfights and if you have your QoP/NS/TA putting out the big burst, spec can just roam around soaking damage and being that damned if you do damned if you don't tank? | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On December 18 2012 05:27 Klonere wrote: Does anyone think that if you have a strong midgame mid/off laner (my stack likes to draft QoP/NS/TA alongside Spec) that you can forgo a damage item (diffu/manta/butterfly) and just go straight heart (after radi obv). I feel that heart is the item that truly lets you shine with spec in teamfights and if you have your QoP/NS/TA putting out the big burst, spec can just roam around soaking damage and being that damned if you do damned if you don't tank? After Radiance, whether you go tank or right click damage doesn't really matter. The main thing is that you got your radiance..... And it's fairly common to go Heart after Radiance anyway. It's either that or Diffusal in most cases. | ||
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Runatir
Slovakia24 Posts
I usually go for radi into heart into like manta/diffusial, butterfly .. the game is over by then most of the time | ||
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Stancel
Singapore15360 Posts
On December 18 2012 03:10 DucK- wrote: In pubs, don't bother trying to rice a Radiance. You rely on your teammates too much for it. What I do is solo middle her. Get Bottle/Urn Treads Drums -> Diffusal/Radiance. It's a gank build relying on early levels/runes to dictate momentum. The style was adopted from Pis/2009 in their videos. Many underestimate what she can do early on when she has levels. awful mentality to have | ||
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Leeoku
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aintz
Canada5624 Posts
On December 18 2012 04:18 Erasme wrote: ? For the same reason you get it on pl. Its better than shitty vanguard, gives mana and a slight mvt speed. Also the build up is good. its more understandable on pl than spec since pl actually has a low cd nuke to use unlike spec. but who the heck gets drums on pl... | ||
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Unleashing
Denmark14978 Posts
On December 18 2012 08:25 aintz wrote: its more understandable on pl than spec since pl actually has a low cd nuke to use unlike spec. but who the heck gets drums on pl... ?? Drums on PL is good. Or am i missing some sarcasm here? Drums is good on both spectre and PL. | ||
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gostunv
Japan1178 Posts
the only real advantage i see is that your illusions get burn as well. | ||
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aintz
Canada5624 Posts
i mean i can understand some ppl getting it on pl if their farm is just plain terrible. but on spec its just a waste of gold, what kind of spectre needs the int provided by drums? i mean its not even a cheap item. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On December 18 2012 08:46 gostunv wrote: so i never understood why radiance is a better farming tool over BF. does she just not get enough agi gain aka dmg to make it worth wile? the only real advantage i see is that your illusions get burn as well. It's the illusion factor, coupled by how much of Spectre's in-fight damage comes from her high survivability + Dispersion damage reflect. Radiance burn is a more practical form of in-fight damage for Spectre than Battle Fury cleave, even though both are more or less effective for farming. On December 18 2012 08:49 aintz wrote: never seen anybody go drums on either heroes and im constantly playing in page 1-5. i mean i can understand some ppl getting it on pl if their farm is just plain terrible. but on spec its just a waste of gold, what kind of spectre needs the int provided by drums? i mean its not even a cheap item. Janggo on PL has been a known build in Chinese DotA 1 pubs since 6.75 came out, and Janggo on Spec has been played in China for longer than that. That said, it has largely to do with the way Chinese pubs are played. Unless your name is Anti-mage, you simply don't have room to sit and farm (and Anti-mage only because he farms so fast and is impossible to catch). Teams play 5-man DotA very early, and once the action starts, it doesn't take a break. Teams are constantly pushing towers, smoking, and in general looking for fights every free moment. Chinese high-level pubs necessitate those early teamfight items because you simply will never get the chance to save for Radiance unless you do it through winning those early teamfights with these kinds of items. In slower western pubs, its much easier to get away with a Radiance. | ||
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Mithhaike
Singapore2759 Posts
On December 18 2012 08:46 gostunv wrote: so i never understood why radiance is a better farming tool over BF. does she just not get enough agi gain aka dmg to make it worth wile? the only real advantage i see is that your illusions get burn as well. 2 reason. Spectre is a weird carry in the sense that it doesnt do insane right click damage as per the other carries Its job is to tank and disperse damage out. Survivability items are insanely good on her. Radiance is better than BF because as spec,you want to live as long as possible in a teamfight, along with living longer, the radiance therefore does more damage.Its a Tank/Carry in other words...so 1) Radiance does more damage the longer you live,combined with Dispersion its actually extremely damaging. 2) Radiance helps clear out creep waves making it likely that her Desolate works Spec also doesnt make use of BF's regen as her spells are non-spammable. | ||
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FoFo
Netherlands207 Posts
On December 18 2012 09:56 Mithhaike wrote: 2 reason. Spectre is a weird carry in the sense that it doesnt do insane right click damage as per the other carries Its job is to tank and disperse damage out. Survivability items are insanely good on her. Radiance is better than BF because as spec,you want to live as long as possible in a teamfight, along with living longer, the radiance therefore does more damage.Its a Tank/Carry in other words...so 1) Radiance does more damage the longer you live,combined with Dispersion its actually extremely damaging. 2) Radiance helps clear out creep waves making it likely that her Desolate works Spec also doesnt make use of BF's regen as her spells are non-spammable. this and you're spending 4K on an item that provides literally 0 benefit to your illusion, while with a radiance you get the burn on their entire team (will be buffed aswell in next patch  ) | ||
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Gheizen64
Italy2077 Posts
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Gheizen64
Italy2077 Posts
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HocusPocus
Germany214 Posts
On December 18 2012 19:31 FoFo wrote: this and you're spending 4K on an item that provides literally 0 benefit to your illusion, while with a radiance you get the burn on their entire team (will be buffed aswell in next patch )You also get Radiance so the enemy team cant just ignore you in teamfights, they are kinda forced to focus you earlier in teamfights than without a Radiance (e.g. Battlefury). And i know im repeating stuff here but: Dispersion damage is pure, thats why you want to build a Vanguard over Drums. Survivability items (Heart/Manta) after your Radiance will further boost your Dispersion damage (as Dispersion scales very good with HP). Spectres job is not jumping from hero to hero and kill them with its rightclick damage. Spectre stands in the middle of the fight, "slowly" killing the enemy team. The biggest problem Spectre has right now (imho) is that it really has no ability to push/counterpush pre-radiance. You will lose mapcontrol early and the ability to freely farm your side of the map, delaying your Radiance and therefore weaken your midgame by a great margin as Spectre already is not the fastest farmer (read: cant catch up as fast as Cleave (etc) carries). | ||
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Unleashing
Denmark14978 Posts
On December 18 2012 21:52 HocusPocus wrote: You also get Radiance so the enemy team cant just ignore you in teamfights, they are kinda forced to focus you earlier in teamfights than without a Radiance (e.g. Battlefury). And i know im repeating stuff here but: Dispersion damage is pure, thats why you want to build a Vanguard over Drums. Survivability items (Heart/Manta) after your Radiance will further boost your Dispersion damage (as Dispersion scales very good with HP). Spectres job is not jumping from hero to hero and kill them with its rightclick damage. Spectre stands in the middle of the fight, "slowly" killing the enemy team. The biggest problem Spectre has right now (imho) is that it really has no ability to push/counterpush pre-radiance. You will lose mapcontrol early and the ability to freely farm your side of the map, delaying your Radiance and therefore weaken your midgame by a great margin as Spectre already is not the fastest farmer (read: cant catch up as fast as Cleave (etc) carries). You don't want to build a vanguard on her at all, vit booster at best. But not a vanguard. Waste of money and cost-ineffecient. | ||
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HocusPocus
Germany214 Posts
On December 18 2012 21:59 Unleashing wrote: You don't want to build a vanguard on her at all, vit booster at best. But not a vanguard. Waste of money and cost-ineffecient. hmm you might be right, depends on the enemy heroes i guess. But imho its better than a drum which costs like 500 less and is better on a support post-nerf. Spectre doesnt really need the movespeed with tranquils or phase. I have to agree though, if you skip the RoH you are probably better off (except they have a ck or sth that relies on heavy rightclicking) | ||
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Unleashing
Denmark14978 Posts
On December 18 2012 22:12 HocusPocus wrote: hmm you might be right, depends on the enemy heroes i guess. But imho its better than a drum which costs like 500 less and is better on a support post-nerf. Spectre doesnt really need the movespeed with tranquils or phase. I have to agree though, if you skip the RoH you are probably better off (except they have a ck or sth that relies on heavy rightclicking) No it really doesn't depend on the enemy heroes. Upgrading to vanguard is cost-ineffecient, and tranq boots and a vit booster is far more effecient for a spectre. And provides all the regen you should need in lane. And drums aren't for supports only post nerf, there's a reason why it's picked up on more than one hero often by good teams. Because it's just so extremely good to have. Vanguards cost-ineffeciency is a topic that has been up so many times. | ||
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HocusPocus
Germany214 Posts
On December 18 2012 22:41 Unleashing wrote: No it really doesn't depend on the enemy heroes. Upgrading to vanguard is cost-ineffecient, and tranq boots and a vit booster is far more effecient for a spectre. And provides all the regen you should need in lane. And drums aren't for supports only post nerf, there's a reason why it's picked up on more than one hero often by good teams. Because it's just so extremely good to have. Vanguards cost-ineffeciency is a topic that has been up so many times. Drums are most likely not picked up by the 1 (Carry) in the team, its more of a 3-4 position item. And if you are all about efficency why not buy a freaking armlet or midas every game? sometimes you have to build inefficient, doesnt mean that item is ineffective Last time ive seen Spectre was in S4 of Starladder (vP vs NaVi) they picked up a Vanguard as well | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
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HocusPocus
Germany214 Posts
On December 18 2012 23:06 Erasme wrote: zhou buys drums everytime on luna. Fear doesnt, so i assume LGD needs luna for something different than eg needs luna for. Luna might be one of the few 1s that get Drums regularly (i wrote "most likely" which implies there are some possibilites to get it on the 1 position). Drums on Spectre just doesnt make much sense to me, its not like im flaming Unleashing or anything, i just dont understand why Drums should be better than vitbooster/Vanguard on Spectre. And the only thing i got from him was that it is more efficient, but that can be said about a bunch of items, that doesnt make it especially good for Spectre. | ||
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St.Velten
Germany222 Posts
Off topic: Personaly, I was wondering if she could work in a kind of "facerush" Lineup with bounty + sven/ns and a more gank oriented build going dagger/desolate. That would kinda negate the fact that you can get out pushed if it works. Just theory crafting here. | ||
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Unleashing
Denmark14978 Posts
On December 18 2012 23:17 HocusPocus wrote: Fear doesnt, so i assume LGD needs luna for something different than eg needs luna for. Luna might be one of the few 1s that get Drums regularly (i wrote "most likely" which implies there are some possibilites to get it on the 1 position). Drums on Spectre just doesnt make much sense to me, its not like im flaming Unleashing or anything, i just dont understand why Drums should be better than vitbooster/Vanguard on Spectre. And the only thing i got from him was that it is more efficient, but that can be said about a bunch of items, that doesnt make it especially good for Spectre. If you think drums are uncommon or rare on first positions i really don't know what to say anymore. Also LGD are just the better team, they understand the hero far better and utilizes it far better. On December 18 2012 23:03 HocusPocus wrote: Drums are most likely not picked up by the 1 (Carry) in the team, its more of a 3-4 position item. And if you are all about efficency why not buy a freaking armlet or midas every game? sometimes you have to build inefficient, doesnt mean that item is ineffective Last time ive seen Spectre was in S4 of Starladder (vP vs NaVi) they picked up a Vanguard as well Are you kidding me? Drums are most likely not picked up by the first position? I guess we'll ignore when DK is run as 1st position? And CK? And Luna? And juggernaut? And so on. And yes, vanguard is ineffecient. There is nearly zero reason to finish a vanguard compared to just having a vit booster and tranqs. Vanguard doesn't provide good regen for the upgrade, it doesn't build into anything, and it doesn't give more HP than a vit booster. The block also quickly loses effeciency especially on heroes with high armor. It's just an item that loses effeciency incredibly rapidly and doesn't build further onto anything. Drums is good for fighting early, i didn't talk about getting drums if you're rushing radiance, i talked about drums if you're going for treads/phase into drum into diffusal because you're NOT going to be building a radiance. But i don't agree with a vanguard in either of the two cases, a vit booster, sure, but not a vanguard. | ||
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njt7
Sweden769 Posts
Dagger doesnt deal huge dmg but it is still aoe dmg. You (or preferably one of your supports) can stack a camp in the woods a couple of times and some kiting + 2 daggers should take care of it. You can also hit two camps at the same time with it. Sometimes it is ok to use ult to get to lane where you can farm. It is also ok to pop it to reveal the enemey team if they have been missing for some time. If you have a good start->Try rushing radiance. If you have a bad start-> Get diff blade. These two items are the most useful for your illusions. When you have either you should try to be even more active with ult to pick of supports, help out in ganks and get into teamfights. Just dont use it to early or over commit efter using it. | ||
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kaNt-
163 Posts
However, if you don´t like tranquil boots and you have a point, what regeneration item do you like? | ||
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HocusPocus
Germany214 Posts
On December 19 2012 00:36 Unleashing wrote: If you think drums are uncommon or rare on first positions i really don't know what to say anymore. Also LGD are just the better team, they understand the hero far better and utilizes it far better. Are you kidding me? Drums are most likely not picked up by the first position? I guess we'll ignore when DK is run as 1st position? And CK? And Luna? And juggernaut? And so on. And yes, vanguard is ineffecient. There is nearly zero reason to finish a vanguard compared to just having a vit booster and tranqs. Vanguard doesn't provide good regen for the upgrade, it doesn't build into anything, and it doesn't give more HP than a vit booster. The block also quickly loses effeciency especially on heroes with high armor. It's just an item that loses effeciency incredibly rapidly and doesn't build further onto anything. Drums is good for fighting early, i didn't talk about getting drums if you're rushing radiance, i talked about drums if you're going for treads/phase into drum into diffusal because you're NOT going to be building a radiance. But i don't agree with a vanguard in either of the two cases, a vit booster, sure, but not a vanguard. Okay Drums on early diffu build makes sense, I understand it now, thank you :> | ||
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Klonere
Ireland4123 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + So Empire picked Spec vs DD literally minutes after 6.77 hit. While it looked like DD were well out in front, Link's choice to go Manta before BKB was questionable and Empire pulled back with Spectre getting huge. Anyone want to comment on Blow's item build? He went for Phase > Aquila > PMS > Radiance. This meant he had a 22 minute Radiance afaik. I think its interesting that he picked up both an Aquila and a PMS, really giving him some breathing room as far as Spec's early game squishyness and mana issues go but could have proved fatal if he had been shutdown in the intervening transition to Relic. Also buying back during a prolonged teamfight with Haunt on CD could be really good, burn down the squishes with that imba ult! Hard to make an definitive statements off one game and it's probably a case of Empire trying out Spec in 6.77 vs an opponent that they clearly outclass. Or is Spec viable now? | ||
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Unleashing
Denmark14978 Posts
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
it's really, really important that you don't die, since you have to save up 3.8k in one sitting benchmarks: tranq + vit should be up at 7~10 minutes radi + tranq + vit should be up at 23~30 minutes other item builds make you more effective earlier on, but as soon as your radi is done you're a teamfight powerhouse anyway | ||
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aintz
Canada5624 Posts
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coriamon
244 Posts
However, it is not easy to get a lot of gold on spectre. It is important that she has a very solid laning stage, and that she doesn't die. I think that you simply need a very powerful trilane that can handle whatever is put against her. She will always be a situational last pick. | ||
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puissance
97 Posts
- I agree on not getting Vanguard, I like Tranq. really much on any hero who doesnt have another source of regen (e.g. Morphling). The high movement speed bonus and armor are icing cake. Do you guys consider a Vitality Booster mandatory before Radiance? Currently I think that playing passive and only engage opponents if it is a sure kill is better till Radiance is up (implying that having Radiance 1100 gold earlier is stronger). - PMS is a good situational item if you get harassed alot in lane, why do you think its always bad? - Ring of Anquila is not needed in my opinion, as you dont have spammable nukes - Yesterday I got behind in the early game and buyed a Diffusal Blade, as adviced a couple of posts back. The most important thing regarding DB vs Radiance is that they require a different playing style obviously. DB forces one to get aggresive and play a ganky style, while Radiance allows you to sit back and farm up. Playing ganky means that you keep the enemy busy at the cost / risk of own deaths, which hinders the progression to the late game. For that reason I value Radiance much higher, but maybe better players can show us how to play a aggresive mid game Spectre? | ||
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Jawmare
Canada85 Posts
On December 18 2012 03:10 DucK- wrote: In pubs, don't bother trying to rice a Radiance. You rely on your teammates too much for it. What I do is solo middle her. Get Bottle/Urn Treads Drums -> Diffusal/Radiance. It's a gank build relying on early levels/runes to dictate momentum. The style was adopted from Pis/2009 in their videos. Many underestimate what she can do early on when she has levels. Someone tried that last time vs my Brew solo mid.... needless to say it didn't go well for them. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On December 26 2012 11:57 Jawmare wrote: Someone tried that last time vs my Brew solo mid.... needless to say it didn't go well for them. Brew crushes a lot of melees in lane, not surprising. The build is good, but Spec isn't strong enough in lane to support doing that from solo mid unless you're a much better player than your opponent. | ||
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SyntechiTV
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Terkill
Denmark38 Posts
Are you kidding me? Basically every sinle hard carry in this game does not posses "farming abilities"? AM, Drow, Void, PA, Sniper, Weaver. | ||
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On December 26 2012 21:59 Terkill wrote: Wait, people are saying spectre is a bad carry, because she can be hard to farm with? "No farming abilities, Q_Q" Are you kidding me? Basically every sinle hard carry in this game does not posses "farming abilities"? AM, Drow, Void, PA, Sniper, Weaver. No, you are missing the point. She isn't bad carry, but she isn't as good as other carries. Farming ability doesn't matter, if you get Radiance by last hitting, same as Weaver and Lone Druid, your farm goes off the charts. What matters is her laning phase, and it is pretty bad. All heroes that you mentioned have something that makes their laning phase easier. AM and Void have blinks, Void even have backtrack, PA also have sort of blink, and can farm with the first spell from the distance, same as Lone Druid with his Bear. Weaver is almost impossible to catch(and he isn't in the pool as other heroes, he usually goes solo hard lane), and Drow and Sniper are high range heroes, where Drow also have Silence. Out of all heroes you have mentioned, Sniper is the worst imo, and that is the reason you don't see him getting picked anymore. On the other hand, Spectre doesn't really have escaping mechanic, and at early levels, isn't too tanky with third skill. She is easily shutdown, and that is the reason why she isn't as good as other carry heroes. Of course, she is great when she is farmed. | ||
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aintz
Canada5624 Posts
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Kabras
Romania3508 Posts
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Comeh
United States18918 Posts
On January 03 2013 15:17 aintz wrote: well today i random spec in a fairly high rated game, went 1/4/1/1 build and completely raped the other team. its funny how many people dont suspect you to do 150 damage per hit at lvl 7. Similar to maxing bash with FV early game, chrono their solo offlane, get 2 bash procs and the hero is dead  | ||
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Unleashing
Denmark14978 Posts
On January 03 2013 23:35 Kabras wrote: go radiance if you have baby sitter in lane who knows what he's doing, else you'll feed trying to get it. i don't really like drums on spectre, if you can't rush radiance just get diffusal instead + a vitality booster which you can turn into a heart later on. drum's too expensive for what it gives to a hero like spectre, it costs half of your diffusal blade ffs. I'd only go for this if i'd be forced into a bracer very early on by difficult laning. Drum too EXPENSIVE for what it gives? One of the most cost-effecient items in the game. You might not like drum, but it is not expensive for what it gives. | ||
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Klonere
Ireland4123 Posts
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
skadi doesn't work on illusions and diffusal is better | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14893 Posts
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Deleted User 261926
960 Posts
Tranquil, vit booster into radiance. Follow with an obvious heart (no other damn option in most of the games, a superfat radiance spectre is the most annoying one: following with diffu before heart is borderline dumb 90% of the times),diffu/manta Are you not having room for farming ? Phase,janggo,diffusal,manta. Some people aren't really convinced by janggo on spectre but it gives 9 to all stats,3 damage and some very useful perks for 1750 gold. Before it gave 9 damage instead of 3 but yeah... still very good. | ||
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Sp12
8 Posts
http://de.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/15w0zf/item_discussion_of_the_day_heart_of_tarrasque_jan/ has some good information as well. Skadi is a strong alternative to heart, but only if you're the primary carry on your team and will be building damage items later. You cannot passively carry with it by being unkillable, something enabled by heart's regen in oldschool radiance builds. It costs the same. It offers 25 IAS, 25 damage, 500 mana, a 20% anticarry IAS decrease, a 30% MS slow, 3.5 armor, and 300 less HP. It has no out of combat regen. You can't go heart as a first item or they'll ignore you, and rushing radiance leaves you with no HP so you're easily burst. You can compromise with a vitality then radiance, but can you actually farm 3800 without any real presence save for dagger+desolate? In contrast, Skadi first gives you good durability but also enough DPS and annoyance with the slow that they can't kill you or ignore you, as well as a strong early game. Skadi is also a strong alternative to diffusal vanguard. If you go diff+vanguard you have committed yourself to getting at least 5 kills in the next 10 minutes with it. Both are mid-game items that do not offer much at all past 25 minutes. In contrast, Skadi is a tier 4 item that, in my opinion, does a lot of what diff+vanguard does without giving yourself a timer. You can show up via haunt with realistically unburstable HP and use your slow to kill a support or two. You don't block yourself on slots or prevent a lifesteal orb. Skadi fits tons of stats into one item. It also gives you a strong early game. At the time vanguard is finished you will have a tranquils, point booster, and an OoV. OoV should be considered core on Spectre because of how powerful it is combined with desolate and dagger. Point booster is like a vitality booster in terms of giving you HP to work aggressively in the early-mid game, but also gives you mana for a second dagger -- something Spectre desperately lacks in the first 20 minutes.\ Perhaps best of all, you don't have to get heart or skadi. Get both. Assuming you got one AoE damage item (Mjollnir or Radiance), that and the Skadi slow means they really can't ignore you even if you have 3K+ HP. Alternatively, get damage items and lifesteal. Though a strong first or second item, you can grab Skadi as your 5th or 6th. | ||
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ImTeach
Sweden7 Posts
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Nightmarjoo
United States3360 Posts
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