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thOr6136
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Slovenia1775 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-12 17:00:53
February 12 2013 17:00 GMT
#41
On February 13 2013 00:42 TheStonerer wrote:
yeah ok, talk about someone else's guide in this thread.

Anyway, on the geostrike vs net thing, i disagree about either maxing either right off. I prefer to get 2, maybe 3 levels in net before maxing geo. at some point, usually when you get blink dagger, the range on net is less of a factor on a successful combo. So I often get 3 levels in net then max out geo before getting the last level. Even, if you don't need the 3rd level and get your ganks off already, just max geo right there. Dota is not a game of black and white guys.

On another note, i never even thought about ethereal to buff your poof combo. Gonna have to try that :D

Also about the BoTs, the interaction between meepos was nerfed, so i assume they all share the same cooldown now, which makes it less of a get early item. You get more out of treads early on with the stats, which doesn't delay your mek as much. I get mek as soon as i can too, don't expect the enemy team to be dumb and not try to focus you.



Aim of this topic is to guide a player to learn meepo (doh), i think its always good if you add additional resources for further reading
Cyx.
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada806 Posts
February 12 2013 17:03 GMT
#42
On February 13 2013 00:42 TheStonerer wrote:
yeah ok, talk about someone else's guide in this thread.

Anyway, on the geostrike vs net thing, i disagree about either maxing either right off. I prefer to get 2, maybe 3 levels in net before maxing geo. at some point, usually when you get blink dagger, the range on net is less of a factor on a successful combo. So I often get 3 levels in net then max out geo before getting the last level. Even, if you don't need the 3rd level and get your ganks off already, just max geo right there. Dota is not a game of black and white guys.


This is a pretty good point, maxing one over the other isn't always really optimal as well - make your decision based on the game.
On February 13 2013 00:42 TheStonerer wrote:
On another note, i never even thought about ethereal to buff your poof combo. Gonna have to try that :D

Also about the BoTs, the interaction between meepos was nerfed, so i assume they all share the same cooldown now, which makes it less of a get early item. You get more out of treads early on with the stats, which doesn't delay your mek as much. I get mek as soon as i can too, don't expect the enemy team to be dumb and not try to focus you.

They don't share a CD so I'm not sure what the nerf was but they're still a really good item for Meepo at any point in the game,
TheStonerer
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada278 Posts
February 12 2013 17:07 GMT
#43
On February 13 2013 02:03 Cyx. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2013 00:42 TheStonerer wrote:
yeah ok, talk about someone else's guide in this thread.

Anyway, on the geostrike vs net thing, i disagree about either maxing either right off. I prefer to get 2, maybe 3 levels in net before maxing geo. at some point, usually when you get blink dagger, the range on net is less of a factor on a successful combo. So I often get 3 levels in net then max out geo before getting the last level. Even, if you don't need the 3rd level and get your ganks off already, just max geo right there. Dota is not a game of black and white guys.


This is a pretty good point, maxing one over the other isn't always really optimal as well - make your decision based on the game.
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2013 00:42 TheStonerer wrote:
On another note, i never even thought about ethereal to buff your poof combo. Gonna have to try that :D

Also about the BoTs, the interaction between meepos was nerfed, so i assume they all share the same cooldown now, which makes it less of a get early item. You get more out of treads early on with the stats, which doesn't delay your mek as much. I get mek as soon as i can too, don't expect the enemy team to be dumb and not try to focus you.

They don't share a CD so I'm not sure what the nerf was but they're still a really good item for Meepo at any point in the game,

Sure, at some point BoTs are more useful than treads. but early game i don't think the investment is worth it.
Brockster
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany82 Posts
February 12 2013 19:35 GMT
#44
Why exactly is MEepo good against Blink heros....you net them, they can still blink, so not that great
See.Blue
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2673 Posts
February 12 2013 20:28 GMT
#45
Holy shit notail just now in fnatic vs VP. So glad I read this this morning so i knew what I was looking at. That meepo & prophet splitpush is insane!
JumboJohnson
Profile Joined December 2011
537 Posts
February 12 2013 20:38 GMT
#46
On February 13 2013 04:35 Brockster wrote:
Why exactly is MEepo good against Blink heros....you net them, they can still blink, so not that great


No they can't blink out of the net.
Irratonalys
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany902 Posts
February 12 2013 20:44 GMT
#47
Holy shit notail just now in fnatic vs VP. So glad I read this this morning so i knew what I was looking at. That meepo & prophet splitpush is insane!


not really meepos credit, any fast pusher with boots of travel could have won that game that way, (Phantom Lancer , Carry Leshrac....)
The futures uncertain , but the end is always near
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
February 13 2013 00:28 GMT
#48
AC's armor aura does not stack with Vlad's. (Just felt like that was worth stating). It's annoyed me many times. (They're both based on devotion aura in dota 1 and thus don't stack, in dota 2 they don't stack for balance/parity reasons).
Jetaap
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France4814 Posts
February 13 2013 01:03 GMT
#49
On February 13 2013 05:44 Irratonalys wrote:
Show nested quote +
Holy shit notail just now in fnatic vs VP. So glad I read this this morning so i knew what I was looking at. That meepo & prophet splitpush is insane!


not really meepos credit, any fast pusher with boots of travel could have won that game that way, (Phantom Lancer , Carry Leshrac....)

Meepo with bot has way more mobility than a PL or a leshrac, actually he is about as mobile as a tinker.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-13 01:25:50
February 13 2013 01:25 GMT
#50
Here's the meepo game people were referencing. Apparently some entertaining BM from NS too. -
FreeZer
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden288 Posts
March 04 2013 10:03 GMT
#51
I'm curious as to what is the best strategy lvls 6-11. Basically, levels 6-11 are the levels where teamfights are starting, and also the levels I feel the least able to participate (I'd like lvl 11 and my mek first) and I want to blast through them as fast as possible.

Almost always I put my 2ndary meepo in the woods, clearing the small camp as well as stacking a large camp as much as possible while continuing to concentrate on LH in my lane. But in this guide I read that you could go both meepos in woods or even leech from a 2nd lane.

Leeching is what it says, you are actually taking exp from an ally. Is it always worth it to get a higher level on meepo? Besides, dividing concentration between two lanes as opposed to one lane and woods is a lot harder.
Ahh Scept-- hey where did you come from?
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
March 04 2013 11:14 GMT
#52
On March 04 2013 19:03 FreeZer wrote:
I'm curious as to what is the best strategy lvls 6-11. Basically, levels 6-11 are the levels where teamfights are starting, and also the levels I feel the least able to participate (I'd like lvl 11 and my mek first) and I want to blast through them as fast as possible.

Almost always I put my 2ndary meepo in the woods, clearing the small camp as well as stacking a large camp as much as possible while continuing to concentrate on LH in my lane. But in this guide I read that you could go both meepos in woods or even leech from a 2nd lane.

Leeching is what it says, you are actually taking exp from an ally. Is it always worth it to get a higher level on meepo? Besides, dividing concentration between two lanes as opposed to one lane and woods is a lot harder.


6-11 is the time where you leech 2 lanes/jungle. You shouldn't really be doing anything else. You could counter gank one of the lanes your Meepo is in, or you could help net etc. But you shouldn't really be participating in big teamfights yet.

It's ok to leech the exp. That's the whole purpose of Meepo anyway. You get your quick levels, then repay your teammates by raping the enemies.

Remember that exp is more important than farming on Meepo. For that reason, it's perfectly fine to solo middle a Meepo, knowing that the other solo would have a relatively easy time. Add that Meepo isn't that easily killed (very good starting EHP). So having 2 meepos leeching a lane each, while occasionally sneaking a few hits here and there is perfectly fine.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
March 04 2013 11:18 GMT
#53
On February 13 2013 10:03 Jetaap wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2013 05:44 Irratonalys wrote:
Holy shit notail just now in fnatic vs VP. So glad I read this this morning so i knew what I was looking at. That meepo & prophet splitpush is insane!


not really meepos credit, any fast pusher with boots of travel could have won that game that way, (Phantom Lancer , Carry Leshrac....)

Meepo with bot has way more mobility than a PL or a leshrac, actually he is about as mobile as a tinker.

its more mobile than tinker since you have 5bot + poof
Meepo is a lot of fun when you have a good early game, a lot less when you're up against tuskarr/centaur
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
FreeZer
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden288 Posts
March 04 2013 12:43 GMT
#54
On March 04 2013 20:14 DucK- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2013 19:03 FreeZer wrote:
I'm curious as to what is the best strategy lvls 6-11. Basically, levels 6-11 are the levels where teamfights are starting, and also the levels I feel the least able to participate (I'd like lvl 11 and my mek first) and I want to blast through them as fast as possible.

Almost always I put my 2ndary meepo in the woods, clearing the small camp as well as stacking a large camp as much as possible while continuing to concentrate on LH in my lane. But in this guide I read that you could go both meepos in woods or even leech from a 2nd lane.

Leeching is what it says, you are actually taking exp from an ally. Is it always worth it to get a higher level on meepo? Besides, dividing concentration between two lanes as opposed to one lane and woods is a lot harder.


6-11 is the time where you leech 2 lanes/jungle. You shouldn't really be doing anything else. You could counter gank one of the lanes your Meepo is in, or you could help net etc. But you shouldn't really be participating in big teamfights yet.

It's ok to leech the exp. That's the whole purpose of Meepo anyway. You get your quick levels, then repay your teammates by raping the enemies.

Remember that exp is more important than farming on Meepo. For that reason, it's perfectly fine to solo middle a Meepo, knowing that the other solo would have a relatively easy time. Add that Meepo isn't that easily killed (very good starting EHP). So having 2 meepos leeching a lane each, while occasionally sneaking a few hits here and there is perfectly fine.


But farm is still important, so where would you draw the line? If you get bad farm, you might not have your tranquils in time to be able to jungle efficiently for example. And without your mek, everything becomes harder. Jungling, teamfighting, Roshan etc. I often find that if I don't have my mek by level 11, I'm a very weak meepo. Isn't it better just to get a little less XP, but way more farm?
Ahh Scept-- hey where did you come from?
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
March 04 2013 13:32 GMT
#55
On March 04 2013 21:43 FreeZer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2013 20:14 DucK- wrote:
On March 04 2013 19:03 FreeZer wrote:
I'm curious as to what is the best strategy lvls 6-11. Basically, levels 6-11 are the levels where teamfights are starting, and also the levels I feel the least able to participate (I'd like lvl 11 and my mek first) and I want to blast through them as fast as possible.

Almost always I put my 2ndary meepo in the woods, clearing the small camp as well as stacking a large camp as much as possible while continuing to concentrate on LH in my lane. But in this guide I read that you could go both meepos in woods or even leech from a 2nd lane.

Leeching is what it says, you are actually taking exp from an ally. Is it always worth it to get a higher level on meepo? Besides, dividing concentration between two lanes as opposed to one lane and woods is a lot harder.


6-11 is the time where you leech 2 lanes/jungle. You shouldn't really be doing anything else. You could counter gank one of the lanes your Meepo is in, or you could help net etc. But you shouldn't really be participating in big teamfights yet.

It's ok to leech the exp. That's the whole purpose of Meepo anyway. You get your quick levels, then repay your teammates by raping the enemies.

Remember that exp is more important than farming on Meepo. For that reason, it's perfectly fine to solo middle a Meepo, knowing that the other solo would have a relatively easy time. Add that Meepo isn't that easily killed (very good starting EHP). So having 2 meepos leeching a lane each, while occasionally sneaking a few hits here and there is perfectly fine.


But farm is still important, so where would you draw the line? If you get bad farm, you might not have your tranquils in time to be able to jungle efficiently for example. And without your mek, everything becomes harder. Jungling, teamfighting, Roshan etc. I often find that if I don't have my mek by level 11, I'm a very weak meepo. Isn't it better just to get a little less XP, but way more farm?


First and foremost, you don't need Mek at all if you are playing Meepo. It's a good item, but you should not see it as a must have.

Only main item you need on Meepo is Blink (in some games/playstyle, Shadowblade can be used as a substitute). Blink + level 11 or level 16 = kills easily. After that, Agha + Heart/Skadi/Hex etc are what make you more relevant as the game goes later and later.

Farm should always go to you, as and when possible. Thing is gold comes to Meepo so easily. 2 x Poof clears creeps/stacked neutrals fast. But you do not need to force yourself to farm. You are not like Spectre/AM, where every bit of gold is so important. You are a Meepo and levels means more than anything. And because you have such a relatively cheap core (Blink) as opposed to other carries, you can afford not getting creeps in favour of being safe at tower.

So how to draw the line? When there's a safe place for you to farm, do so. If it's not safe, just be contented with exp. If you are passing by neutrals, farm them.

And Tranquil is so cheap that you should not even worry about getting it.


thOr6136
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Slovenia1775 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-04 13:44:02
March 04 2013 13:41 GMT
#56
On March 04 2013 21:43 FreeZer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2013 20:14 DucK- wrote:
On March 04 2013 19:03 FreeZer wrote:
I'm curious as to what is the best strategy lvls 6-11. Basically, levels 6-11 are the levels where teamfights are starting, and also the levels I feel the least able to participate (I'd like lvl 11 and my mek first) and I want to blast through them as fast as possible.

Almost always I put my 2ndary meepo in the woods, clearing the small camp as well as stacking a large camp as much as possible while continuing to concentrate on LH in my lane. But in this guide I read that you could go both meepos in woods or even leech from a 2nd lane.

Leeching is what it says, you are actually taking exp from an ally. Is it always worth it to get a higher level on meepo? Besides, dividing concentration between two lanes as opposed to one lane and woods is a lot harder.


6-11 is the time where you leech 2 lanes/jungle. You shouldn't really be doing anything else. You could counter gank one of the lanes your Meepo is in, or you could help net etc. But you shouldn't really be participating in big teamfights yet.

It's ok to leech the exp. That's the whole purpose of Meepo anyway. You get your quick levels, then repay your teammates by raping the enemies.

Remember that exp is more important than farming on Meepo. For that reason, it's perfectly fine to solo middle a Meepo, knowing that the other solo would have a relatively easy time. Add that Meepo isn't that easily killed (very good starting EHP). So having 2 meepos leeching a lane each, while occasionally sneaking a few hits here and there is perfectly fine.


But farm is still important, so where would you draw the line? If you get bad farm, you might not have your tranquils in time to be able to jungle efficiently for example. And without your mek, everything becomes harder. Jungling, teamfighting, Roshan etc. I often find that if I don't have my mek by level 11, I'm a very weak meepo. Isn't it better just to get a little less XP, but way more farm?


If you are having bad early start try to focus as much as possible on stacking creeps in jungle. With lvl 4 poof you can clear them so fast. When you are lvl 6 you can stack 2 camps at once and if you ask your support to stack 3rd one for you, it can quickly get you up to where you want to be.

About mek, i also think its not that important. I prefer dagger into aghanims and then vlads/travel/heart/eblade.

And yes, meepo with travel is the most mobile hero in dota, his split push is insanely strong.
FreeZer
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden288 Posts
March 04 2013 13:45 GMT
#57
On March 04 2013 22:32 DucK- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2013 21:43 FreeZer wrote:
On March 04 2013 20:14 DucK- wrote:
On March 04 2013 19:03 FreeZer wrote:
I'm curious as to what is the best strategy lvls 6-11. Basically, levels 6-11 are the levels where teamfights are starting, and also the levels I feel the least able to participate (I'd like lvl 11 and my mek first) and I want to blast through them as fast as possible.

Almost always I put my 2ndary meepo in the woods, clearing the small camp as well as stacking a large camp as much as possible while continuing to concentrate on LH in my lane. But in this guide I read that you could go both meepos in woods or even leech from a 2nd lane.

Leeching is what it says, you are actually taking exp from an ally. Is it always worth it to get a higher level on meepo? Besides, dividing concentration between two lanes as opposed to one lane and woods is a lot harder.


6-11 is the time where you leech 2 lanes/jungle. You shouldn't really be doing anything else. You could counter gank one of the lanes your Meepo is in, or you could help net etc. But you shouldn't really be participating in big teamfights yet.

It's ok to leech the exp. That's the whole purpose of Meepo anyway. You get your quick levels, then repay your teammates by raping the enemies.

Remember that exp is more important than farming on Meepo. For that reason, it's perfectly fine to solo middle a Meepo, knowing that the other solo would have a relatively easy time. Add that Meepo isn't that easily killed (very good starting EHP). So having 2 meepos leeching a lane each, while occasionally sneaking a few hits here and there is perfectly fine.


But farm is still important, so where would you draw the line? If you get bad farm, you might not have your tranquils in time to be able to jungle efficiently for example. And without your mek, everything becomes harder. Jungling, teamfighting, Roshan etc. I often find that if I don't have my mek by level 11, I'm a very weak meepo. Isn't it better just to get a little less XP, but way more farm?


First and foremost, you don't need Mek at all if you are playing Meepo. It's a good item, but you should not see it as a must have.

Only main item you need on Meepo is Blink (in some games/playstyle, Shadowblade can be used as a substitute). Blink + level 11 or level 16 = kills easily. After that, Agha + Heart/Skadi/Hex etc are what make you more relevant as the game goes later and later.

Farm should always go to you, as and when possible. Thing is gold comes to Meepo so easily. 2 x Poof clears creeps/stacked neutrals fast. But you do not need to force yourself to farm. You are not like Spectre/AM, where every bit of gold is so important. You are a Meepo and levels means more than anything. And because you have such a relatively cheap core (Blink) as opposed to other carries, you can afford not getting creeps in favour of being safe at tower.

So how to draw the line? When there's a safe place for you to farm, do so. If it's not safe, just be contented with exp. If you are passing by neutrals, farm them.

And Tranquil is so cheap that you should not even worry about getting it.




I know you don't need mek, I used to go directly agha after my tranqs. But I found that unless my team could do without me until I had it, I was a rather useless rat for too long. And mek enables me and my team to do be much more flexible. You do not need blink either to be honest. If you have other initiation (Tusk? )) then that can suffice.

Tranqs aren't expensive, but when I get a bad start I might not have them by lvl 6, in which case jungling with meepo 2 becomes harsh.

All in all, I don't think I ever want to be on two lanes (unless one is empty), due to the getting less farm, stealing exp and higher risk of getting ganked. But would you say having both meepos in jungle stacking and clearing camps is better than my "original" strategy of one in lane and one farming small camp and stacking?
Ahh Scept-- hey where did you come from?
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
March 04 2013 21:22 GMT
#58
On March 04 2013 22:45 FreeZer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2013 22:32 DucK- wrote:
On March 04 2013 21:43 FreeZer wrote:
On March 04 2013 20:14 DucK- wrote:
On March 04 2013 19:03 FreeZer wrote:
I'm curious as to what is the best strategy lvls 6-11. Basically, levels 6-11 are the levels where teamfights are starting, and also the levels I feel the least able to participate (I'd like lvl 11 and my mek first) and I want to blast through them as fast as possible.

Almost always I put my 2ndary meepo in the woods, clearing the small camp as well as stacking a large camp as much as possible while continuing to concentrate on LH in my lane. But in this guide I read that you could go both meepos in woods or even leech from a 2nd lane.

Leeching is what it says, you are actually taking exp from an ally. Is it always worth it to get a higher level on meepo? Besides, dividing concentration between two lanes as opposed to one lane and woods is a lot harder.


6-11 is the time where you leech 2 lanes/jungle. You shouldn't really be doing anything else. You could counter gank one of the lanes your Meepo is in, or you could help net etc. But you shouldn't really be participating in big teamfights yet.

It's ok to leech the exp. That's the whole purpose of Meepo anyway. You get your quick levels, then repay your teammates by raping the enemies.

Remember that exp is more important than farming on Meepo. For that reason, it's perfectly fine to solo middle a Meepo, knowing that the other solo would have a relatively easy time. Add that Meepo isn't that easily killed (very good starting EHP). So having 2 meepos leeching a lane each, while occasionally sneaking a few hits here and there is perfectly fine.


But farm is still important, so where would you draw the line? If you get bad farm, you might not have your tranquils in time to be able to jungle efficiently for example. And without your mek, everything becomes harder. Jungling, teamfighting, Roshan etc. I often find that if I don't have my mek by level 11, I'm a very weak meepo. Isn't it better just to get a little less XP, but way more farm?


First and foremost, you don't need Mek at all if you are playing Meepo. It's a good item, but you should not see it as a must have.

Only main item you need on Meepo is Blink (in some games/playstyle, Shadowblade can be used as a substitute). Blink + level 11 or level 16 = kills easily. After that, Agha + Heart/Skadi/Hex etc are what make you more relevant as the game goes later and later.

Farm should always go to you, as and when possible. Thing is gold comes to Meepo so easily. 2 x Poof clears creeps/stacked neutrals fast. But you do not need to force yourself to farm. You are not like Spectre/AM, where every bit of gold is so important. You are a Meepo and levels means more than anything. And because you have such a relatively cheap core (Blink) as opposed to other carries, you can afford not getting creeps in favour of being safe at tower.

So how to draw the line? When there's a safe place for you to farm, do so. If it's not safe, just be contented with exp. If you are passing by neutrals, farm them.

And Tranquil is so cheap that you should not even worry about getting it.




I know you don't need mek, I used to go directly agha after my tranqs. But I found that unless my team could do without me until I had it, I was a rather useless rat for too long. And mek enables me and my team to do be much more flexible. You do not need blink either to be honest. If you have other initiation (Tusk? )) then that can suffice.

Tranqs aren't expensive, but when I get a bad start I might not have them by lvl 6, in which case jungling with meepo 2 becomes harsh.

All in all, I don't think I ever want to be on two lanes (unless one is empty), due to the getting less farm, stealing exp and higher risk of getting ganked. But would you say having both meepos in jungle stacking and clearing camps is better than my "original" strategy of one in lane and one farming small camp and stacking?


Blink will give you more presence than Mek will ever do. Blink is what makes you a threat, without it you are just a 'useless rat' tossing nets that are quite easy to dodge. Tuskar's initiation is not even close to what Blink gives. Contrary to what you think, you DO need Blink. It should be the first item you aim to get, even before Agha. And Agha first is shit, unless you are somehow playing a Macro style of Meepo.

I would prefer leeching lanes. You should be getting 1 lane to farm anyway, while the other Meepo's leeching another lane. If both lanes are not safe to farm, then jungling is alright. But if you can farm a lane, always do so.
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
March 04 2013 22:15 GMT
#59
On March 05 2013 06:22 DucK- wrote:
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On March 04 2013 22:45 FreeZer wrote:
On March 04 2013 22:32 DucK- wrote:
On March 04 2013 21:43 FreeZer wrote:
On March 04 2013 20:14 DucK- wrote:
On March 04 2013 19:03 FreeZer wrote:
I'm curious as to what is the best strategy lvls 6-11. Basically, levels 6-11 are the levels where teamfights are starting, and also the levels I feel the least able to participate (I'd like lvl 11 and my mek first) and I want to blast through them as fast as possible.

Almost always I put my 2ndary meepo in the woods, clearing the small camp as well as stacking a large camp as much as possible while continuing to concentrate on LH in my lane. But in this guide I read that you could go both meepos in woods or even leech from a 2nd lane.

Leeching is what it says, you are actually taking exp from an ally. Is it always worth it to get a higher level on meepo? Besides, dividing concentration between two lanes as opposed to one lane and woods is a lot harder.


6-11 is the time where you leech 2 lanes/jungle. You shouldn't really be doing anything else. You could counter gank one of the lanes your Meepo is in, or you could help net etc. But you shouldn't really be participating in big teamfights yet.

It's ok to leech the exp. That's the whole purpose of Meepo anyway. You get your quick levels, then repay your teammates by raping the enemies.

Remember that exp is more important than farming on Meepo. For that reason, it's perfectly fine to solo middle a Meepo, knowing that the other solo would have a relatively easy time. Add that Meepo isn't that easily killed (very good starting EHP). So having 2 meepos leeching a lane each, while occasionally sneaking a few hits here and there is perfectly fine.


But farm is still important, so where would you draw the line? If you get bad farm, you might not have your tranquils in time to be able to jungle efficiently for example. And without your mek, everything becomes harder. Jungling, teamfighting, Roshan etc. I often find that if I don't have my mek by level 11, I'm a very weak meepo. Isn't it better just to get a little less XP, but way more farm?


First and foremost, you don't need Mek at all if you are playing Meepo. It's a good item, but you should not see it as a must have.

Only main item you need on Meepo is Blink (in some games/playstyle, Shadowblade can be used as a substitute). Blink + level 11 or level 16 = kills easily. After that, Agha + Heart/Skadi/Hex etc are what make you more relevant as the game goes later and later.

Farm should always go to you, as and when possible. Thing is gold comes to Meepo so easily. 2 x Poof clears creeps/stacked neutrals fast. But you do not need to force yourself to farm. You are not like Spectre/AM, where every bit of gold is so important. You are a Meepo and levels means more than anything. And because you have such a relatively cheap core (Blink) as opposed to other carries, you can afford not getting creeps in favour of being safe at tower.

So how to draw the line? When there's a safe place for you to farm, do so. If it's not safe, just be contented with exp. If you are passing by neutrals, farm them.

And Tranquil is so cheap that you should not even worry about getting it.




I know you don't need mek, I used to go directly agha after my tranqs. But I found that unless my team could do without me until I had it, I was a rather useless rat for too long. And mek enables me and my team to do be much more flexible. You do not need blink either to be honest. If you have other initiation (Tusk? )) then that can suffice.

Tranqs aren't expensive, but when I get a bad start I might not have them by lvl 6, in which case jungling with meepo 2 becomes harsh.

All in all, I don't think I ever want to be on two lanes (unless one is empty), due to the getting less farm, stealing exp and higher risk of getting ganked. But would you say having both meepos in jungle stacking and clearing camps is better than my "original" strategy of one in lane and one farming small camp and stacking?


Blink will give you more presence than Mek will ever do. Blink is what makes you a threat, without it you are just a 'useless rat' tossing nets that are quite easy to dodge. Tuskar's initiation is not even close to what Blink gives. Contrary to what you think, you DO need Blink. It should be the first item you aim to get, even before Agha. And Agha first is shit, unless you are somehow playing a Macro style of Meepo.

I would prefer leeching lanes. You should be getting 1 lane to farm anyway, while the other Meepo's leeching another lane. If both lanes are not safe to farm, then jungling is alright. But if you can farm a lane, always do so.

Agha first definitely isn't shit, especially if you want to go to the late game. And N0tail is doing Agha first quite often.
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Profile Joined November 2010
Canada806 Posts
March 04 2013 23:42 GMT
#60
On March 05 2013 06:22 DucK- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2013 22:45 FreeZer wrote:
On March 04 2013 22:32 DucK- wrote:
On March 04 2013 21:43 FreeZer wrote:
On March 04 2013 20:14 DucK- wrote:
On March 04 2013 19:03 FreeZer wrote:
I'm curious as to what is the best strategy lvls 6-11. Basically, levels 6-11 are the levels where teamfights are starting, and also the levels I feel the least able to participate (I'd like lvl 11 and my mek first) and I want to blast through them as fast as possible.

Almost always I put my 2ndary meepo in the woods, clearing the small camp as well as stacking a large camp as much as possible while continuing to concentrate on LH in my lane. But in this guide I read that you could go both meepos in woods or even leech from a 2nd lane.

Leeching is what it says, you are actually taking exp from an ally. Is it always worth it to get a higher level on meepo? Besides, dividing concentration between two lanes as opposed to one lane and woods is a lot harder.


6-11 is the time where you leech 2 lanes/jungle. You shouldn't really be doing anything else. You could counter gank one of the lanes your Meepo is in, or you could help net etc. But you shouldn't really be participating in big teamfights yet.

It's ok to leech the exp. That's the whole purpose of Meepo anyway. You get your quick levels, then repay your teammates by raping the enemies.

Remember that exp is more important than farming on Meepo. For that reason, it's perfectly fine to solo middle a Meepo, knowing that the other solo would have a relatively easy time. Add that Meepo isn't that easily killed (very good starting EHP). So having 2 meepos leeching a lane each, while occasionally sneaking a few hits here and there is perfectly fine.


But farm is still important, so where would you draw the line? If you get bad farm, you might not have your tranquils in time to be able to jungle efficiently for example. And without your mek, everything becomes harder. Jungling, teamfighting, Roshan etc. I often find that if I don't have my mek by level 11, I'm a very weak meepo. Isn't it better just to get a little less XP, but way more farm?


First and foremost, you don't need Mek at all if you are playing Meepo. It's a good item, but you should not see it as a must have.

Only main item you need on Meepo is Blink (in some games/playstyle, Shadowblade can be used as a substitute). Blink + level 11 or level 16 = kills easily. After that, Agha + Heart/Skadi/Hex etc are what make you more relevant as the game goes later and later.

Farm should always go to you, as and when possible. Thing is gold comes to Meepo so easily. 2 x Poof clears creeps/stacked neutrals fast. But you do not need to force yourself to farm. You are not like Spectre/AM, where every bit of gold is so important. You are a Meepo and levels means more than anything. And because you have such a relatively cheap core (Blink) as opposed to other carries, you can afford not getting creeps in favour of being safe at tower.

So how to draw the line? When there's a safe place for you to farm, do so. If it's not safe, just be contented with exp. If you are passing by neutrals, farm them.

And Tranquil is so cheap that you should not even worry about getting it.




I know you don't need mek, I used to go directly agha after my tranqs. But I found that unless my team could do without me until I had it, I was a rather useless rat for too long. And mek enables me and my team to do be much more flexible. You do not need blink either to be honest. If you have other initiation (Tusk? )) then that can suffice.

Tranqs aren't expensive, but when I get a bad start I might not have them by lvl 6, in which case jungling with meepo 2 becomes harsh.

All in all, I don't think I ever want to be on two lanes (unless one is empty), due to the getting less farm, stealing exp and higher risk of getting ganked. But would you say having both meepos in jungle stacking and clearing camps is better than my "original" strategy of one in lane and one farming small camp and stacking?


Blink will give you more presence than Mek will ever do. Blink is what makes you a threat, without it you are just a 'useless rat' tossing nets that are quite easy to dodge. Tuskar's initiation is not even close to what Blink gives. Contrary to what you think, you DO need Blink. It should be the first item you aim to get, even before Agha. And Agha first is shit, unless you are somehow playing a Macro style of Meepo.

I would prefer leeching lanes. You should be getting 1 lane to farm anyway, while the other Meepo's leeching another lane. If both lanes are not safe to farm, then jungling is alright. But if you can farm a lane, always do so.


You definitely don't need mek - I find it works really well and like freezer said it lets me actually do something in the early game. And while I agree that blink is pretty amazing for Meepo I don't agree that getting it before agh's is necessarily always the right choice, especially after watching Notail a lot who just rushes aghs then gets blink afterwards. Aghs first lets you increase your farming power quicker than a blink or a mek will, and the 2k for blink after agh's is pretty inconsequential at that point - easy to get in 3-4 minutes.

The one thing I really want to emphasize in duck's post is '
if you can farm a lane always do so. It's better farm for you to keep one Meepo in lane and send the other to stack than it is to jungle fully with two Meepos - however, that being said, it's usually totally possible to clear wave in lane with one set of poofs -> go clear three jungle camps -> return one of your Meepos before new wave comes in -> stack with other Meepo -> double poof to clear lane creeps -> repeat. Mostly, you want to be getting all the lane farm you possibly can, but Meepo can totally get a lot of jungle farm too without wasting any of his lane CS, it just takes a little more attention.
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