EPT[Hero] Morphling - Page 26
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Birdie
New Zealand4438 Posts
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On July 11 2016 01:42 MirageTaN wrote: Guys , like linkens first item is often times bad, I'd rather go like manta first item with a casual aquila wand and dragon lance , and go and fight. Having early stats often times make or break the game. People will try to gank you and having stats with waveform makes you near unkillable and with TP support , often times you can turn a gank around really easily and linkens is just a bad item to rush IMO unless you really have to. The build I go for is Aquila--> Threads/+wand -->Yasha/Dragon lance --> Skadi/Eblade/Manta and then I go from there. having 1k hp with 1str and linkens is a pretty good fighting build if u dont put any points in ur ult and instead max strike | ||
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Parkplayground
72 Posts
On July 11 2016 07:33 Erasme wrote: having 1k hp with 1str and linkens is a pretty good fighting build if u dont put any points in ur ult and instead max strike I really dont like that idea because your W scales off your agi which you can get from. Maxing morph. The flatline 100 dmg is plenty so leaving it level one before maxing morph might be ok imo but i did what you suggested when i was learning morphling and it was not good | ||
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Birdie
New Zealand4438 Posts
On July 11 2016 12:16 Parkplayground wrote: I really dont like that idea because your W scales off your agi which you can get from. Maxing morph. The flatline 100 dmg is plenty so leaving it level one before maxing morph might be ok imo but i did what you suggested when i was learning morphling and it was not good I don't think he's recommending not maxing morph, just not getting points in ult until having several in W. Ult is really useful if you're actually doing anything with your team though, and getting it to lvl 2 is super heaps better than lvl 1, so I think most of the time I would get 1 point in ult at lvl 9 and second point at lvl 11. | ||
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ahw
Canada1099 Posts
That build compliments morph too much and comes online right around lv 14 when you've got adaptive maxed. Linkens is extra good with eblade because you can safely do aggressive shit and pop your ult when it breaks Yasha/lance is ok but certainly not better for fighting. Early ur dmg is mostly waveform, linkens and linkens components let u wave form aggressively | ||
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Velzi
Finland659 Posts
Usually its RoA (Wand) Treads HotD Eblade for me if i dont need linkens that game, after that normal Bfly Satanic Travels Skadi BKB etc. Also HotD is way better than regen or yasha to farm ancients, with HotD and nearly maxed Agi u hit like a truck and have 30 armor or something. Really only downside with HotD is the movement speed u dont get so opting for early manta/Travels is recommended. Skill build should be 99% of the time q>e>w>r with one point in r 6-9 imo and line up maxed adaptive strike with eblade. E: also missing the mana regen from linkens/perseverance with HotD but u have RoA + free tp to home every 80 seconds. | ||
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Comeh
United States18918 Posts
On July 13 2016 02:29 Velzi wrote: I'm little surprised how no one even mentions HotD as a farming item / step towards linken/skadi/eblade, arguably gives the mix of both needed regen to stay at full health (perseverance) and almost same damage as yasha does (not ms tho) but only costs half as much as yasha+perseverance. Also builds into satanic which is great late game pick up. Usually its RoA (Wand) Treads HotD Eblade for me if i dont need linkens that game, after that normal Bfly Satanic Travels Skadi BKB etc. Also HotD is way better than regen or yasha to farm ancients, with HotD and nearly maxed Agi u hit like a truck and have 30 armor or something. Really only downside with HotD is the movement speed u dont get so opting for early manta/Travels is recommended. Skill build should be 99% of the time q>e>w>r with one point in r 6-9 imo and line up maxed adaptive strike with eblade. E: also missing the mana regen from linkens/perseverance with HotD but u have RoA + free tp to home every 80 seconds. I feel like HoTD is pretty useless - the active component doesn't feel particularly relevant, morph doesn't benefit from stacking much, it doesn't give any + stats, and he can farm camps pretty much with just perseverance. Lategame its ok, but otherwise its whatever. Morph can pretty much do ancients pretty early anyways, so its not...particularly great. Morph also doesn't need any +armor items really. IDK theres better items. Everytime I build it I think "why the fuck do i have a hotd" | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
 the only real use you have of hotd is to get a wolf and rosh early | ||
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Birdie
New Zealand4438 Posts
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
ofc, there is nothing wrong with doing rosh with it, if that's your team's strat. you would used to build one or keep it at morbid mask and walk into jungle, but now there's armlet, players have gotten better at spending their time farming and at securing lanes. mid ganking for you is more seldom now and sidelanes will come gank that lane instead. people will move from lanes more quickly (lessened tp costs), and you can tp to those lanes to farm. right now i feel you have to be quite scary as morphling as quickly as you can be. imagine you're farming on their side t2 with a replicate out. one support isn't enough, two might not be enough, and even with a strong core they may not be able to down you in time. hotd slows down plays like that a heavy amount. if you cannot do them early and often, you will probably not be able to do them at all or at least exert the same pressure. and the great thing about pressure? you can let off the gas any time. | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6230 Posts
It's just that morph is not on that list. | ||
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ahw
Canada1099 Posts
i think maybe you could do aquila/raindrop/yasha/lance/dom/eb instead but i think people underrate linkens its pretty useful no matter the game | ||
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DazzleEnthusiast
United States72 Posts
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ahw
Canada1099 Posts
Early Mid game (9-12 mins let's say)if u have something like treads Aquila perseverance wand you can make some really good things happen After that early spike, you generally want to cool off until you have linkens. Then you want to fight / farm out Eb. Generally you want to split push enough to force their heroes back so your team can take a favourable fight which you can clean up I think most will agree fighting over farming this meta seems best, because you get a lot more gold and xp by being involved. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On July 17 2016 00:27 DazzleEnthusiast wrote: should you avoid fighting if you dont have eblade and or linkens yet? or at least a -few- agi items on him? You farm because you can't fight properly yet. Fight only via tp to clean up, or if fights/food come to you. Otherwise you should just be farming wherever. | ||
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Archeon
3253 Posts
On July 17 2016 00:27 DazzleEnthusiast wrote: should you avoid fighting if you dont have eblade and or linkens yet? or at least a -few- agi items on him? Think it's a game to game call, if fights are close and you can just come in late and clean up safely, there's nothing wrong with that. But yeah in general morph shouldn't fight before his first two or three items are finished, Since he's a pretty safe splitpusher esp. after linkens and not a good fighter before eblade (and even with linkens eblade is a lina with a lot ehp). | ||
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ahw
Canada1099 Posts
Being active does a couple things.. It takes ur highest net worth hero (safe lane carry) and forces the other team to react to you. It frees up your safe lane for a support to get their lv 6 / important items. It can delay ur timings by a few mins, or it can stay on par but get ur team experience and gold. Generally worth the risk Morph early can take so much abuse / spells that u can swing fights and take good engagements Obviously it's not black and white but I think morph has a lot of opportunities for aggressive players | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
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Eetee
Singapore373 Posts
So I get that for this hero timing wise I should be looking at a 15-17min linkens followed by a ~ 25min EB, after that go for whatever suits the situation. Laning wise CS 100 by 12min minimum. Play is to not die, split push, pick off supports with shotgun combo, and outcarry opponent cores late game. My first problem is that I can hardly hit the CS benchmark, which ONLY HAPPENS on this hero! It's so strange and frustrating for me. Generally when I play carry heroes like Gyro/Sven/LD etc I can hit my timing OK, it's only for morph that I am struggling REALLY HARD on. What bothers me more is that I DO NOT KNOW WHY is that so. Maybe it's because of a contested lane. As usual in SEA pub/ranked games you could never get 2 lane supports, normally 1 is off jungling and the other is a bh/mirana roaming, nobody protects you in lane. Then you have all these meta offlaners like Timbersaw/Beastmaster who just pressures you. Thing is if I am a Gyro/Sven I know I can get a dom and stack camps/ancients and clear later, if I am a LD this wouldn't be a problem at all. If I am spec I know I can regain momentum from midgame haunt plays. What's the plan for Morphling when from the get go your lane is fucked up? 2nd problem derives from the first, since my laning isn't good enough my item timings are delayed. Then shotgun loses its effectiveness because of glimmers and such. What do I do then? Currently I just feel like Morphling is so dependent on a good laning phase that if it doesn't go well, I am fucked basically. Is this just not a good meta to learn Morphling? I look at all my other carry heroes' winrate and they're about at least 50%, and for morphling alone I am <30%...Should I just give it up for good? My dotabuff if anyone's interested..http://www.dotabuff.com/players/85212414/matches?date=all&hero=morphling&timezone=Etc%2FUTC Just an addon. I understand that a solid laning mechanic(with much finesse) is required for heroes such as Morphling/Antimage, so how do I achieve that? For any other hero it seems that I know what to do as a standard carry during laning phase, be it looking for kills on opponent offlaner or just general CSing. For morphling it just seems all I could accomplish is CS, even at that it's kinda hard with the shitty base dmg and strong meta offlaners. | ||
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