I feel like that quote implicates me in suggesting armlet on morph which makes me unbelievably uncomfortable

One thing I'm trying to figure out is laning items. A lot of people like QB. Assuming treads / Aquila / pers / tp, you fit 2 of 3 of [wand, QB, raindrop]. I assume the choice is either raindrop or QB. When is QB better

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

June 28 2016 14:11 GMT

#483

I believe the only time you'd see QB morph is when you retreat to the jungle with a view to staying there for quite some time

I guess also if you are dire safelane and need to farm your own hard camp for efficiency and lane-pulling reasons a QB enables that at a reasonable price (QB's end cost is only 100 gold if you sell it back eventually)

But yeah especially on a ranged hero that already has a way to "blink" through treelines etc QB is hard to justify. It's safe to say even if QB is just barely optimal you aren't missing out on that much if you skip it.

ahw

Canada1099 Posts

June 28 2016 18:29 GMT

#484

i'd imagine morph's unusually high base dmg in lane makes it legit too. 15% translates to 10~ dmg very early which can make denies you wouldnt get otherwise. i dunno though.

Velzi

Finland659 Posts

June 28 2016 18:59 GMT

#485

QB doesnt work when attacking friendly units if thats what u meant

SlottedPig

United States52 Posts

June 28 2016 23:04 GMT

#486

Has anyone crunched the numbers on qb vs blight stone for morphling? I assume qb's creep dps would be slightly better but blight stone can be quite significant esp. when going for kills on enemy offlaners.

Birdie

New Zealand4438 Posts

June 28 2016 23:12 GMT

#487

I'm just a plebian who copies progema like beesa and aui who build qb for a short time. It definitely helps for speeding up jungle rotations inbetween waves. I don't think you worry about getting it before aquila though, it's something to think about after maybe treads RoH aquila wand.

ahswtini

Northern Ireland22208 Posts

June 28 2016 23:33 GMT

#488

if u get it, u get it during the buildup to linkens

ahw

Canada1099 Posts

June 29 2016 00:02 GMT

#489

On June 29 2016 03:59 Velzi wrote:
QB doesnt work when attacking friendly units if thats what u meant

didn't know this. 4k hours ~_~

Archeon

3253 Posts

July 01 2016 01:21 GMT

#490

On June 28 2016 21:38 ahw wrote:
I feel like that quote implicates me in suggesting armlet on morph which makes me unbelievably uncomfortable

One thing I'm trying to figure out is laning items. A lot of people like QB. Assuming treads / Aquila / pers / tp, you fit 2 of 3 of [wand, QB, raindrop]. I assume the choice is either raindrop or QB. When is QB better

Wasn't my intention, was just giving my opinion on the discussion on the page before. Wasn't directed to anyone specifically.

Don't feel like wand really fits the hero well. His mana costs are super high, he needs early stuff already and he's somewhat slot-starved cause more mana equal more farming speed. So unless you want to fight early on I don't think it's great on him. It's somewhat similar to wand on am.

Also RD more or less gives the same defensive applications.

Birdie

New Zealand4438 Posts

July 07 2016 03:38 GMT

#491

Wand is insanely good on morph O_O

I've just theorycrafted that raindrop and iron talon instead of quelling/aquila is probably amazing on morph, so I'm gonna be trying that next to see how it goes. I reckon that should make linkens ~1-2 mins faster, with only minor weakening of the hero (basically subtract a wraith band, but increase neut farming speed and mana regen and magical EHP).

Comeh

United States18918 Posts

July 07 2016 18:09 GMT

#492

On July 07 2016 12:38 Birdie wrote:
Wand is insanely good on morph O_O

I've just theorycrafted that raindrop and iron talon instead of quelling/aquila is probably amazing on morph, so I'm gonna be trying that next to see how it goes. I reckon that should make linkens ~1-2 mins faster, with only minor weakening of the hero (basically subtract a wraith band, but increase neut farming speed and mana regen and magical EHP).

You want the aquila - it helps split pushing and you to take the t1 out, plus it gives 19 damage which is in general good. also the stats are nice. wand is a must unless you get a bottle or something.

Birdie

New Zealand4438 Posts

July 07 2016 23:02 GMT

#493

On July 08 2016 03:09 Comeh wrote:

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I don't know that not having an aquila is going to be the difference between taking the t1 and not taking it. You do lose damage vs heroes but you have almost the same DPS vs creeps due to iron talon active. I do agree aquila is a nice item, but because of how fast the game is played at the moment, anything you can do to speed up the acquisition of major items (linkens eblade for example) is good.

ahw

Canada1099 Posts

July 08 2016 01:23 GMT

#494

Aquila makes ur creep wave last an extra hit under tower. It's too good/slot efficient to skip

Birdie

New Zealand4438 Posts

July 08 2016 01:55 GMT

#495

Again though, having an aquila is not the difference between getting a t1 and not getting it, most of the time. With morph you usually aren't hitting the t1 directly unless you're going for the final finishing push on it, and the rest of the time you don't care how long your creeps last or turn it off.

Sure it's slot efficient, but if having it slows down your linkens by a couple minutes then it doesn't matter how efficient it is.

ahw

Canada1099 Posts

July 08 2016 02:11 GMT

#496

Nah usually you get some space of ur team is doing something on the map, and you are lv 7+ so you waveform the wave down and right click the tower. You can take a tower with treads/Aquila in 1 or 2 waves. The creeps tanking extra hits and the 18 dmg makes a big difference

Parkplayground

72 Posts

July 08 2016 20:08 GMT

#497

I tried iron talon+ raindrop and iron talon aquila and even though im still in the 2k bracket, the iron talon is definitely a justified pickup, but the raindrop didnt feel as good as having those aquila stats to work with when i was getting heavily pressured in the early game.

For me atleast, i hold on to aquila for as long as i can since the midgame splitpushing (before you are super farmed) really helps vs.when you dont have it and raindrop is more like a psuedo-consumable so its not reliable every game.

P.s. i only tried raindrop/talon in a bot game and aquila/talon in a bot game+real game.

MirageTaN

Singapore871 Posts

July 10 2016 16:42 GMT

#498

Guys , like linkens first item is often times bad, I'd rather go like manta first item with a casual aquila wand and dragon lance , and go and fight. Having early stats often times make or break the game. People will try to gank you and having stats with waveform makes you near unkillable and with TP support , often times you can turn a gank around really easily and linkens is just a bad item to rush IMO unless you really have to.
The build I go for is Aquila--> Threads/+wand -->Yasha/Dragon lance --> Skadi/Eblade/Manta and then I go from there.

Wala.Revolution

7582 Posts

July 10 2016 19:38 GMT

#499

Linken's allows you to escape ganks that you normally can't and gives neat amount of hp/mana regen to use waveform and sustain. Yasha/lance don't do those.