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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
May 13 2016 09:28 GMT
#461
he says that he buys armlet because it makes morph good at fighting. then he compares it to vlads on am, when vlads is not a fighting item, it's a farming and splitpushing item
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14827 Posts
May 13 2016 09:31 GMT
#462
Yeah i'd be closer to the oov/vanguard AM than a regular AM

But even then i think its pretty bad?
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Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
May 13 2016 18:33 GMT
#463
This entire thread is the result of one dude taking a meme build seriously, and refusing to accept that hes taking a meme build seriously
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18918 Posts
May 13 2016 22:32 GMT
#464
On May 14 2016 03:33 Jaaaaasper wrote:
This entire thread is the result of one dude taking a meme build seriously, and refusing to accept that hes taking a meme build seriously

Or maybe he's just memeing us.
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
May 13 2016 22:35 GMT
#465
nah, that kind of thing is beyond laertes
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
ahw
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada1099 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-17 14:48:07
May 17 2016 14:47 GMT
#466
All right so in enjoying morph quite a bit the only downside is AA picks are more popular now because of arm let heroes

But in terms of itemizing, I am going linkens/eblade, is it worth going manta for illusion damage every time regardless? I have heard conflicting things. I do not particularly like ranged hero manta because of the cool down. Giving up 250 agi illusions kind of sucks but they often melt.

Would linkens/eblade/Skadi be better? Or even something like linkens/eblade/lance/skadi ?

Then satanic.


Overall I just feel the manta isn't as effective as 5000 gold should be
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18918 Posts
May 17 2016 16:09 GMT
#467
On May 17 2016 23:47 ahw wrote:
All right so in enjoying morph quite a bit the only downside is AA picks are more popular now because of arm let heroes

But in terms of itemizing, I am going linkens/eblade, is it worth going manta for illusion damage every time regardless? I have heard conflicting things. I do not particularly like ranged hero manta because of the cool down. Giving up 250 agi illusions kind of sucks but they often melt.

Would linkens/eblade/Skadi be better? Or even something like linkens/eblade/lance/skadi ?

Then satanic.


Overall I just feel the manta isn't as effective as 5000 gold should be

99% of the time manta after eblade is the play. Some situations BKB after eblade.

Most of the time (except against AM, or when you need to time a BKB) you want skadi after Manta,

Morph is one of the best manta heroes because all of his damage comes from Stats, so his illusions pretty much hit as hard as a normal hero. For split push purposes alone, manta illusions can kill a tower by themselves (and something to tank hits), so it forces the enemy back.
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
May 17 2016 16:26 GMT
#468
silence is also one of morph's big enemies, and manta deals with that nicely, because you really dont want to have to get bkb. manta is definitely core unless you're in one of those really really strange games that u have to itemise specifically for. like in my last game i was against a freefarming naga and ember, my team lacked disables so i ended up buying mjollnir to deal with illusions, and hex to deal with the ember. manta would probably have caused more problems there due to the ember
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
ahw
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada1099 Posts
May 17 2016 18:23 GMT
#469
ok! so great -- i know illus do a truckton of dmg. however...

when im @ 30 mins in game with linkens/eblade/manta, my illusions have 12-1300 hp and collapse to aoe almost instantly. i have a hard time practically sieging with them so tbh i generally save it for team fights to try to disjoint or just dps something.

is this like a 6 slot kinda deal where you have linkens eblade manta skaadi satanic and ur illusions have 2k+ hp? or should i morph 30 strength for manta? cause it seems pretty useless sometimes tbh
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
May 17 2016 18:28 GMT
#470
It's not like CK where you just pop illusions at the start of a fight every time

Manta is a resource that you need to find the optimal timing for. While it's great for dps hitting buildings or even pushing out a wave ur hero can't safely stay at, in fights you need to figure out what you need it to purge or when you can create the illusions to have an actual effect instead of just dying to AoE spam as you mentioned.

You definitely aren't like FORCED to go manta every game, but it's simply very good most of the time.
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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
May 17 2016 19:47 GMT
#471
at 30min, either you're finding pick offs or you're split pushing
morph doesn't actively seek a 5v5.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Velzi
Profile Joined June 2012
Finland659 Posts
May 17 2016 21:04 GMT
#472
not seeking for fights @30min applies to pretty much every hard carry, u join the fights if u see the opportunity.

I have skipped linkens quite frequently like month or 2 ago but now with the decreased cost i dont see reason skipping it (unless u practically have 0 spells to block).

Usually going RoA Treads yasha/HotD Linken/Eblade order game dependant, after that its Butter if im stomping, skadi otherwise, maybe finishing manta if i went yasha and need to remove silence.
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Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
May 17 2016 22:07 GMT
#473
I get skadi instead of manta right after eblade quite regularly, but manta's pretty good and I usually end up with it unless I want a BKB and MKB at the same time.

Sold boots completely yesterday so that was fun.
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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-18 14:15:33
May 18 2016 14:14 GMT
#474
On May 18 2016 06:04 Velzi wrote:
not seeking for fights @30min applies to pretty much every hard carry, u join the fights if u see the opportunity.

Lol.
Gyro, troll, terrorblade, juggernaut, ursa, shadow fiend, ld
and the list goes on and on
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Velzi
Profile Joined June 2012
Finland659 Posts
May 18 2016 16:21 GMT
#475
On May 18 2016 23:14 Erasme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2016 06:04 Velzi wrote:
not seeking for fights @30min applies to pretty much every hard carry, u join the fights if u see the opportunity.

Lol.
Gyro, troll, terrorblade, juggernaut, ursa, shadow fiend, ld
and the list goes on and on

I guess thats the word where we have different opinions.
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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
May 18 2016 17:03 GMT
#476
Then you're just playing the game wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Velzi
Profile Joined June 2012
Finland659 Posts
May 18 2016 17:16 GMT
#477
im glad we can agree on one thing then
Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you to their level and then beat you with experience. http://www.dotabuff.com/players/115305822 https://yasp.co/players/115305822
DazzleEnthusiast
Profile Joined May 2014
United States72 Posts
June 24 2016 01:28 GMT
#478
is dragon lance a good early game pickup on this dude? roa/dl/hotd and you can potentially skirmish with him or just start to split push?

should i be taking his ulti at 6? the duration never seems to be justifiable at the point over a waveform/morph point but i am so rough with this guy.

the dragon lance seems like such a good fit on him and perhaps even the buildup into pike is worth it? what are your thoughts on this? do you need some sort of lifesteal component before you start fighting/split pushing or no? (is that because you just rely on your ulti as an escape, or what?)

sorry i just dont get this dude, and i want an excuse to use his ugly-ass immortal
Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
June 24 2016 03:49 GMT
#479
In ideal circumstances you want to be going something along the lines of Wand/Treads/Aquila/QuellingBlade, and get linkens as your next major item. If you have linkens you should not need any lifesteal (or indeed just having perseverance).

I like to get a force staff against riki and build it into dragon lance/hurricane pike after eblade but otherwise I don't think it's the "optimal" morph build. Linkens Eblade are your big pickup items you want, and you want to be getting them before 25 minutes.

Having said that, rightclick no-eblade morphling is somewhat legitimate and if you prefer playing that way then go for it.

Get ulti at 6 if you're about to use a TP back to base for HP, cos then you can jump straight back out without losing time by jumping to the clone. Otherwise I usually delay till needed.
Red classic | A butterfly dreamed he was Zhuangzi | 4.5k, heading to 5k as support!
ahw
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada1099 Posts
June 26 2016 22:26 GMT
#480
Beesa went raindrop I feel justified
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