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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
July 25 2016 12:13 GMT
#521
for general farming efficiency, aui has a video on it:

also on morph, you can increase efficiency with smart use of waveform when farming jungle. for example i attack every creep down to <300hp and then waveform away from them towards the next camp. this kills them and i save a few walking seconds. you can be even more efficient by pulling a camp ur killing close to another camp so you when you waveform, you also hit the second camp, but that requires good timing.

unfortunately, morph easily gets bullied in lane if he has no support. especially if you morph a lot of agility to make up for the bad base dmg. if u have a bad start, theres not much u can do except adapt your item choices.
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
ahw
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada1099 Posts
July 25 2016 13:05 GMT
#522
I find with morph you wanna bully and harass the offlaner from the start, more so than most other safelaners. Most offlaners who get experience will be too hard to deal with but you can at least make their life difficult

If you don't have a good lane partner, make sure you start with a ton of regen (I like 4 branches 8 tangos) morph a ton of agility and trade right clicks

Eventually they will catch up but giving yourself a bit of space / making them worried about a rotating support helps in a lot of ways
Eetee
Profile Joined November 2011
Singapore373 Posts
July 25 2016 16:12 GMT
#523
On July 25 2016 22:05 ahw wrote:
I find with morph you wanna bully and harass the offlaner from the start, more so than most other safelaners. Most offlaners who get experience will be too hard to deal with but you can at least make their life difficult

If you don't have a good lane partner, make sure you start with a ton of regen (I like 4 branches 8 tangos) morph a ton of agility and trade right clicks

Eventually they will catch up but giving yourself a bit of space / making them worried about a rotating support helps in a lot of ways


Ah..thx.. I always go out with stats item and a set of tangoes maybe a salve...now that you put it this way maybe I could try this instead.. thx!
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
July 25 2016 16:36 GMT
#524
On July 25 2016 21:13 ahswtini wrote:
for general farming efficiency, aui has a video on it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmPzvsLKqak

w0w featuring me as the worlds worst rubick not that it ever shows my name

Also i know he's on morph and this is a morph thread but that video applies to pretty much every hero.
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-26 15:39:16
July 26 2016 15:38 GMT
#525
On July 26 2016 01:12 Eetee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2016 22:05 ahw wrote:
I find with morph you wanna bully and harass the offlaner from the start, more so than most other safelaners. Most offlaners who get experience will be too hard to deal with but you can at least make their life difficult

If you don't have a good lane partner, make sure you start with a ton of regen (I like 4 branches 8 tangos) morph a ton of agility and trade right clicks

Eventually they will catch up but giving yourself a bit of space / making them worried about a rotating support helps in a lot of ways


Ah..thx.. I always go out with stats item and a set of tangoes maybe a salve...now that you put it this way maybe I could try this instead.. thx!

i like buying 8 tangoes circlet and 4 branches, lets you finish wand in lane. i also morph a lot of agi in fountain
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
July 26 2016 18:48 GMT
#526
honestly u should always start wiht a rop on any ranged carry to finish a fast basi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
July 26 2016 22:25 GMT
#527
On July 27 2016 03:48 Erasme wrote:
honestly u should always start wiht a rop on any ranged carry to finish a fast basi

why?
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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
July 27 2016 00:10 GMT
#528
because rob and roa are really good items
do u realize what u get from rop for just 325g ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
July 27 2016 00:25 GMT
#529
On July 27 2016 09:10 Erasme wrote:
because rob and roa are really good items
do u realize what u get from rop for just 325g ?

sure but on morph I would want 6 stats lvl 1 over 2 armour. 2 sticks = two more tangos so you get 10 tangos and 6 stats at lvl 1, buy wand asap, ship out 3 components of RoA after like, boots and health ring.
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SlottedPig
Profile Joined November 2014
United States52 Posts
July 27 2016 00:41 GMT
#530
2 branch + circlet + tango + salve + mango seems a bit more efficient than 4 branches. I could be underestimating the effect of tangoing branch trees, but that many branches seems overkill. Mango is valuable with morph's low max hp and mana hungriness.

In a clearly secured lane I'd rather start with wb components (circlet + recipe) than RoP, as I feel that it more effectively spends your starting gold. It is also completed in 150g compared to RoB's 325g, meaning that you'll be able to complete wb & benefit from +9 damage very early on (possibly even pre-first wave if you get a bounty rune).

RoP is the middle option, alright when you suspect it's a lane that's almost secured. But these days I feel most offlanes will either be incredibly strong or completely absent, giving more merit to the other options.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
July 27 2016 00:44 GMT
#531
i agree with the mango, however starting with a recipe seems bad. If you're in a contested lane rob is better than wb. And if you're in a free lane u can morph everything to agi, making the wb even more useless compared to rob
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Clarty
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia162 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-27 08:57:10
July 27 2016 08:51 GMT
#532
The only starting build on morphling is 8 tangoes 4 branches 1 circlet, you get 10 tangoes worth of regen, 6 int, 12 damage and fast wand. Just ferry out your ring of protection later on. If you are picking morph into a heavily contested lane you are doing it wrong.
Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
July 27 2016 10:06 GMT
#533
On July 27 2016 17:51 Clarty wrote:
The only starting build on morphling is 8 tangoes 4 branches 1 circlet, you get 10 tangoes worth of regen, 6 int, 12 damage and fast wand. Just ferry out your ring of protection later on. If you are picking morph into a heavily contested lane you are doing it wrong.

mango build is alright sometimes, depends on game. Have to be flexible.
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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
July 27 2016 17:47 GMT
#534
On July 27 2016 17:51 Clarty wrote:
The only starting build on morphling is 8 tangoes 4 branches 1 circlet, you get 10 tangoes worth of regen, 6 int, 12 damage and fast wand. Just ferry out your ring of protection later on. If you are picking morph into a heavily contested lane you are doing it wrong.

then why would you need 10tangos in an uncontested lane ? better get that rob fast to wave over lanes and push the tower quickly..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18918 Posts
July 28 2016 06:00 GMT
#535
idk it depends on the offlaner but most of the time i go 8 tango circlet/rop 4 branches.
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Eetee
Profile Joined November 2011
Singapore373 Posts
July 28 2016 06:51 GMT
#536
So I have been spamming morphling for the past couple of days in unranked and have a decent WR even though I still struggle with the laning phase sometimes, due to it being unranked and people don't pick proper supports and jungle and such. I think I am ready to go ranked with this hero at the 4k-5k bracket(international ranked).

Guess I am trying to ask how do I ensure I get to play him under favorable circumstances? Because it's SEA ranked, if you don't first pick carry you most likely won't get to play that role. However, if you do, you tend to get counter picked with heroes like AA, who they probably picked to counter potential mid alche picks. Or those timber/void offlaners who is just difficult to deal with. Do I just give him up for good for ranked games? If I don't start with him at 4k it's gonna be even harder once I get to 5k mmr games(my original solo mmr range).

Also, how do I deal with Sven line ups? match ID http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2529042680.

Laning phase I was fine, most of the time 1v1 tidehunter(NS jungle, VS is just non-existent). Our offlane WR wasn't really feeding or anything, but Sven just farms way faster than me and mid game they just steamrolled us with better farm on their carry and better teamfight line up. What can a morphling do in games like this against a carry who can clear stacks?(Sven/Gyro etc) and just 5man deathball you? I think I got linkens EB around 26min but by then I don't really have any chance to pick off anyone as they sticked as 5. I tried to split push but I was not as fast as Sven...
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Clarty
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia162 Posts
July 28 2016 11:00 GMT
#537
I'm pretty sure this is one of the best heroes for solo ranked right now, although first picking it is fairly awful because it does have counter picks. I highly recommend buying dragon lance at some point on this hero especially against Sven, makes the hero feel a lot nicer in fights and is really cheap and stat-efficient.

Against deathballs you need to either split push so hard they can never afford to group as 5 without losing an objective or take out a key hero with eblade before the fights begins. Get replicate at level 9 and 11 also idk why you would skip that skill.
ahw
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada1099 Posts
July 28 2016 16:07 GMT
#538
vs sven you wanna split push and generally you wanna try to bait out gods strength somewhere on the map and replicate away. easier said than done but yea.

contest his stacks. you can't farm faster than him but you can fight him late game. he relies on gods strength, you can pick his team off around that.

you can abuse your mobility when they try to take objectives. make sure your team doesnt die following you, but if you get your linkens/eblade up around 22-24 minutes, you can waveform/shotgun/eblade + replicate out, picking off supports and the like.

basically sven is gunna farm stacks and jungle, you are gunna farm out of position support players.

once you get skaadi it gets a lot easier
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18918 Posts
July 28 2016 21:06 GMT
#539
morphling straight up teamfights really well against sven and matches well vs him in lategame. As his bkb gets low, eblade because stuipdly effective vs him, and then when you get a skadi you really just start messing with his ability to fight in games. The hardest part is when sven gets that huge boost in gold relative to you from ancient stacks (you can try to get your supports to block it but...), but basically if you can survive until you get an eblade, its sustainable and as the game goes later it should be easy to fight vs him. Honestly morph is my go to carry if the enemy picks sven
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MirageTaN
Profile Joined June 2012
Singapore871 Posts
July 29 2016 04:49 GMT
#540
Morphling is a good carry against Heros without much mobility like Sven, that I agree. He kinda is good against pushing teams just because he can comeback easily by splitpushing and keeping up pace with in terms of farm. he can also burst down weaking pushing supports like Shadow shaman
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