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[Hero] Doom - Page 6
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
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fourthirds
Canada132 Posts
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
But I think early game you're more bound by the cooldown of scorch earth than it's mana cost, and the healing spell of the troll doesn't compliment your natural healing from scorch really. I usually get bottle, and sometimes just soul ring is nice too. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 14 2015 06:22 BluemoonSC wrote: + Show Spoiler + i personally don't think that you have to stand next to both doom targets, if you have, say, a dazzle + AM. one doom shuts the dazzle up and the other doom is so that, not only can the AM not escape, he cant just decide he's going to manfight and burn people down while he's doomed bc spell shield + mana break don't give a fuck. if the dazzle is alive, am could care less that he's doomed if he's sufficiently farmed. while there other situations where this applies, this particular on is a highly situational choice especially bc you don't want to have shiva's int when there's an AM on the field  Not sure if I'm reading you wrong, but Spell Shield and Mana Break are both disabled by the Break effect of an Agha Doom, even though they aren't by a regular Doom. Before the patch that standardized the "Break" effect, Spell Shield was *not* disabled by Doom, but Agha Doom now does disable it. | ||
BluemoonSC
SoCal8910 Posts
On October 14 2015 06:29 TheYango wrote: Not sure if I'm reading you wrong, but Spell Shield and Mana Break are both disabled by the Break effect of an Agha Doom, even though they aren't by a regular Doom. Before the patch that standardized the "Break" effect, Spell Shield was *not* disabled by Doom, but Agha Doom now does disable it. i should have prefaced this by saying, "here is a situation where agh's does necessitate refresher and refresher necessitates aghs" | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Like, you don't need Doom to deal with Dazzle--regular silences/disables suffice because he's a support so he dies fast and doesn't have outs via items like a core would. You only need the 2nd Doom if your team otherwise doesn't have sufficient options for dealing with him. Also, "don't want Shiva's Int because of AM" is super backwards because it's more likely that AM illusions hit you twice and reduces your mana pool by enough that you can't use all your spells than it is for him to actually Mana Void you over an Int hero with Int items. | ||
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BluemoonSC
SoCal8910 Posts
i tend to assume you want to be as self sufficient as possible in these types of situations bc you can't count on your allies to have a brain On October 14 2015 06:34 TheYango wrote: Also, "don't want Shiva's Int because of AM" is super backwards because it's more likely that AM illusions hit you twice and reduces your mana pool by enough that you can't use all your spells than it is for him to actually Mana Void you over an Int hero with Int items. that's true. the dmg from mana break is physical and having +15 armor does help you cope with it. | ||
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gaijindash
Japan376 Posts
TL;DR don't listen to emu but seriously, maybe the hero is stronger on servers with a more calm meta than SEA. Or maybe I'm just bad at the hero. You press R how can it be hard :`( | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
just make sure ur building and skilling him correctly | ||
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ChunderBoy
3242 Posts
the only reason im not 8k yet is coz i havent picked this hero enough i show mercy to my soloq enemies srsly tho go safelane, check medium camp (eat golem if not eat large creep), stack ez camp, pull ez camp, immedaitely move to lane, let ur support continue the pull go 1-4-1 make sure u have mango, replace ur mango after u use it, go items mentioned earlier in thread G_G | ||
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the bear jew
United States3674 Posts
On October 15 2015 09:03 gaijindash wrote: I thought I would give this hero a try because emu recommended it, lost 6 in a row. TL;DR don't listen to emu but seriously, maybe the hero is stronger on servers with a more calm meta than SEA. Or maybe I'm just bad at the hero. You press R how can it be hard :`( Level 2 scorched earth should mean easy kill on enemy offlaner. Level 1 and 2 you are a little weak, but level 3 you have a huge spike in power maybe you are being too aggressive first couple levels? | ||
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rebdomine
6040 Posts
I always love it when I can find a golem level 1, pretty much hang onto it for the entirety of the laning phase (before eventually trying to find wolves for the mid game) | ||
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Shock710
Australia6097 Posts
so maybe i would have gotten the kill regardless if i just lvl'd up earth and would have saved some mana | ||
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trinxified
Canada7774 Posts
I play it at offlane tho... it's hard to convince the team to do safelane doom. how do you guys do it? | ||
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Shock710
Australia6097 Posts
Then people just let me have it O_o idk why lol (but i also really love playing support) | ||
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BluemoonSC
SoCal8910 Posts
On October 15 2015 15:51 trinxified wrote: I too have a losing streak with doom at 4k mmr. I play it at offlane tho... it's hard to convince the team to do safelane doom. how do you guys do it? have a plan to tell the team. 'im going to safe lane and purchase x y and z, if you want to pick a mid or offlaner that takes advantage of them, that would be great." but ppl are jerks and sometimes could care less. then dota has gone full retard and you just have to roll with it or face being tilted. this is also the reason I don't solo queue and played my first game of the patch only when I was invited to a party | ||
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ChunderBoy
3242 Posts
On October 15 2015 15:51 trinxified wrote: I too have a losing streak with doom at 4k mmr. I play it at offlane tho... it's hard to convince the team to do safelane doom. how do you guys do it? idk but my teammates have been skeptical in a 7k player demanding safelane with doom | ||
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trinxified
Canada7774 Posts
so offlane is really the only way at my levels. | ||
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Shock710
Australia6097 Posts
atm i love safelane embe and safelane doom *drool* its been really fun to play those two heros, in pro games i constantly see the midas pick up, (i do think they mainly play it as an offlane, so it might be because u dont get safelane farm and u generate some income out of nowhere without taking it from the rest of the team) i really dont prefer midas on offlane cores, just feels slow??? you farm decently already and u have devour gold, with phase, drum, vlads ur super good to go just trying to start a fight everytime doom is up and if its not, its not like ur scared to farm the lanes anyway. | ||
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the bear jew
United States3674 Posts
Me and tusk did work this game. http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1873217666 | ||
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