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evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-13 21:25:15
October 13 2015 21:24 GMT
#101
right that's why the stats + fighting build with drum/phase/sny has so much appeal to me atm. Screw mana.
edit: woops made a new page, comment was addressing doom's poor mana pool
Life is run, it is dance, it is fast, passionate and BAM!, you dance and sing and booze while you can for now is the time and time is mine. Smile and laugh when still can for now is the time and soon you die!
fourthirds
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada132 Posts
October 13 2015 21:25 GMT
#102
Does it ever make sense to go for the mana regen kobold in the small camp? 2 mana/sec aura is like a free cm on your team and early game doom has mana regen problems.
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
October 13 2015 21:27 GMT
#103
It's MORE than a cm, it's a lvl 5 CM iirc, it's actually absurd.
But I think early game you're more bound by the cooldown of scorch earth than it's mana cost, and the healing spell of the troll doesn't compliment your natural healing from scorch really. I usually get bottle, and sometimes just soul ring is nice too.
Life is run, it is dance, it is fast, passionate and BAM!, you dance and sing and booze while you can for now is the time and time is mine. Smile and laugh when still can for now is the time and soon you die!
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-13 21:30:11
October 13 2015 21:29 GMT
#104
On October 14 2015 06:22 BluemoonSC wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
i personally don't think that you have to stand next to both doom targets, if you have, say, a dazzle + AM. one doom shuts the dazzle up and the other doom is so that, not only can the AM not escape, he cant just decide he's going to manfight and burn people down while he's doomed bc spell shield + mana break don't give a fuck. if the dazzle is alive, am could care less that he's doomed if he's sufficiently farmed. while there other situations where this applies, this particular on is a highly situational choice especially bc you don't want to have shiva's int when there's an AM on the field

Not sure if I'm reading you wrong, but Spell Shield and Mana Break are both disabled by the Break effect of an Agha Doom, even though they aren't by a regular Doom.

Before the patch that standardized the "Break" effect, Spell Shield was *not* disabled by Doom, but Agha Doom now does disable it.
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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-13 21:31:48
October 13 2015 21:31 GMT
#105
On October 14 2015 06:29 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2015 06:22 BluemoonSC wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
i personally don't think that you have to stand next to both doom targets, if you have, say, a dazzle + AM. one doom shuts the dazzle up and the other doom is so that, not only can the AM not escape, he cant just decide he's going to manfight and burn people down while he's doomed bc spell shield + mana break don't give a fuck. if the dazzle is alive, am could care less that he's doomed if he's sufficiently farmed. while there other situations where this applies, this particular on is a highly situational choice especially bc you don't want to have shiva's int when there's an AM on the field

Not sure if I'm reading you wrong, but Spell Shield and Mana Break are both disabled by the Break effect of an Agha Doom, even though they aren't by a regular Doom.

Before the patch that standardized the "Break" effect, Spell Shield was *not* disabled by Doom, but Agha Doom now does disable it.


i should have prefaced this by saying, "here is a situation where agh's does necessitate refresher and refresher necessitates aghs"
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-13 21:37:02
October 13 2015 21:34 GMT
#106
Well if you're just isolating those 2 heroes, having the Refresher isn't really necessary, it depends on the other heroes in the game.

Like, you don't need Doom to deal with Dazzle--regular silences/disables suffice because he's a support so he dies fast and doesn't have outs via items like a core would. You only need the 2nd Doom if your team otherwise doesn't have sufficient options for dealing with him.

Also, "don't want Shiva's Int because of AM" is super backwards because it's more likely that AM illusions hit you twice and reduces your mana pool by enough that you can't use all your spells than it is for him to actually Mana Void you over an Int hero with Int items.
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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-13 21:44:14
October 13 2015 21:38 GMT
#107
yep, like i said in the original post, its a highly situational choice.

i tend to assume you want to be as self sufficient as possible in these types of situations bc you can't count on your allies to have a brain

On October 14 2015 06:34 TheYango wrote:
Also, "don't want Shiva's Int because of AM" is super backwards because it's more likely that AM illusions hit you twice and reduces your mana pool by enough that you can't use all your spells than it is for him to actually Mana Void you over an Int hero with Int items.


that's true. the dmg from mana break is physical and having +15 armor does help you cope with it.
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gaijindash
Profile Joined January 2015
Japan376 Posts
October 15 2015 00:03 GMT
#108
I thought I would give this hero a try because emu recommended it, lost 6 in a row.

TL;DR don't listen to emu

but seriously, maybe the hero is stronger on servers with a more calm meta than SEA. Or maybe I'm just bad at the hero. You press R how can it be hard :`(
Courage does not always roar, sometimes courage is the little voice at the end of the day that says 'I will try again tommorow'
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
October 15 2015 00:05 GMT
#109
huh, surely doom thrives in a clownfest cuz enemy runs at u, u turn on balanced earth and triple kill

just make sure ur building and skilling him correctly
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
ChunderBoy
Profile Joined August 2011
3242 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-15 01:10:10
October 15 2015 01:08 GMT
#110
6 losses in a row oh boy how do u manage that?
the only reason im not 8k yet is coz i havent picked this hero enough
i show mercy to my soloq enemies
srsly tho go safelane, check medium camp (eat golem if not eat large creep), stack ez camp, pull ez camp, immedaitely move to lane, let ur support continue the pull
go 1-4-1 make sure u have mango, replace ur mango after u use it, go items mentioned earlier in thread G_G
"mmr is a social construct" - tumblr
the bear jew
Profile Joined August 2014
United States3674 Posts
October 15 2015 02:35 GMT
#111
On October 15 2015 09:03 gaijindash wrote:
I thought I would give this hero a try because emu recommended it, lost 6 in a row.

TL;DR don't listen to emu

but seriously, maybe the hero is stronger on servers with a more calm meta than SEA. Or maybe I'm just bad at the hero. You press R how can it be hard :`(


Level 2 scorched earth should mean easy kill on enemy offlaner. Level 1 and 2 you are a little weak, but level 3 you have a huge spike in power maybe you are being too aggressive first couple levels?
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rebdomine
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
6040 Posts
October 15 2015 02:43 GMT
#112
The golem is seriously ridiculous. You can pretty much use it to poke down enemies and then later on run in with Scorched Earth and just kill em.

I always love it when I can find a golem level 1, pretty much hang onto it for the entirety of the laning phase (before eventually trying to find wolves for the mid game)
"Just because you are correct doesn't mean you are right!"
Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-15 05:05:41
October 15 2015 05:04 GMT
#113
also what do u guys think of 1-1-1 at lvl 3, even tho it sometimes feels like ur mana is limited, going 1-1-1 instead of 1-2-0 at lvl 3 has gotten me a bunch of kills that im not sure if i would have gotten without it. (which was super surprising to me) sometimes u just dive past the tower and they think they're safe and boom lvldeath (hmm tho i just checked that the difference in damage of full duration scorching earth (before reductions) is 168 damage (lvl2 -lvl1) compared to one point in lvldeath which is 125 damage.

so maybe i would have gotten the kill regardless if i just lvl'd up earth and would have saved some mana
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
October 15 2015 06:51 GMT
#114
I too have a losing streak with doom at 4k mmr.

I play it at offlane tho...

it's hard to convince the team to do safelane doom. how do you guys do it?
Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
October 15 2015 07:00 GMT
#115
maybe its just the australia server but when i like highlight it, and place it in safelane on the minimap, i then type look i would really like to play safelane, but if none of u guys are going to support just tell me and ill pick a support.
Then people just let me have it O_o idk why lol (but i also really love playing support)
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
October 15 2015 17:56 GMT
#116
On October 15 2015 15:51 trinxified wrote:
I too have a losing streak with doom at 4k mmr.

I play it at offlane tho...

it's hard to convince the team to do safelane doom. how do you guys do it?


have a plan to tell the team. 'im going to safe lane and purchase x y and z, if you want to pick a mid or offlaner that takes advantage of them, that would be great."

but ppl are jerks and sometimes could care less. then dota has gone full retard and you just have to roll with it or face being tilted.

this is also the reason I don't solo queue and played my first game of the patch only when I was invited to a party
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ChunderBoy
Profile Joined August 2011
3242 Posts
October 15 2015 20:43 GMT
#117
On October 15 2015 15:51 trinxified wrote:
I too have a losing streak with doom at 4k mmr.

I play it at offlane tho...

it's hard to convince the team to do safelane doom. how do you guys do it?

idk but my teammates have been skeptical in a 7k player demanding safelane with doom
"mmr is a social construct" - tumblr
trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
October 16 2015 01:09 GMT
#118
yeah you get laughed at when you ask for safelane doom.

so offlane is really the only way at my levels.
Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
October 16 2015 01:40 GMT
#119
what about just asking for safelane, u dont always need to highlight, especially alot of the times for offlane i really want to see who their carry is and what supports they have, and i think its vice versa for carries too u wanna see who their offlane is before picking.
atm i love safelane embe and safelane doom *drool* its been really fun to play those two heros, in pro games i constantly see the midas pick up, (i do think they mainly play it as an offlane, so it might be because u dont get safelane farm and u generate some income out of nowhere without taking it from the rest of the team)
i really dont prefer midas on offlane cores, just feels slow??? you farm decently already and u have devour gold, with phase, drum, vlads ur super good to go just trying to start a fight everytime doom is up and if its not, its not like ur scared to farm the lanes anyway.
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
the bear jew
Profile Joined August 2014
United States3674 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-17 15:24:46
October 17 2015 15:23 GMT
#120
Ok, I never realized the boulder toss from the granite golem was no mana cost. I know my new favorite creep to eat. Also, dying and then setting up revenge kills with doomling boulder toss is amazing.

Me and tusk did work this game.

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1873217666
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