EPTalso i think ac is almost always > shivas coz u get -5 armour +45%dmg +20%ias auras with vlads/ac/wolf
but shiva is good in those games where u need the vision from it to doom someone sneaky when u blink or something
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ChunderBoy
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also i think ac is almost always > shivas coz u get -5 armour +45%dmg +20%ias auras with vlads/ac/wolf but shiva is good in those games where u need the vision from it to doom someone sneaky when u blink or something | ||
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superstartran
United States4013 Posts
Hero is pretty ridiculous in general right now simply because of that scorched earth change. | ||
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babysimba
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Kaj
Singapore269 Posts
If possible I greatly prefer satyrs then golems then harpies . Satyr is like a free ring of health making you impossible to trade vs golem and harpies let you nuke people for free . I like going brown boots bottle wand into midas. Usually I can get it within 10 mins in the offline which is pretty good | ||
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Fonsie
Germany54 Posts
On October 13 2015 16:19 Kaj wrote: What is everyone's creep of choice when laning in offlane+ If possible I greatly prefer satyrs then golems then harpies . Satyr is like a free ring of health making you impossible to trade vs golem and harpies let you nuke people for free . I like going brown boots bottle wand into midas. Usually I can get it within 10 mins in the offline which is pretty good Depends on how hard the lane is. If you have relatively easy lane and you can trade hits and shit then straight Alpha Wolf or Satyr. If you have really hard lane then I feel getting Ring of Protection (for Tranquil Boots) + Wildwing Armor Aura is the best choice. With that you can start laning with 8 (EIGHT) fuckin Armor. Lvl 2 Scorched Earth on lvl 3 and you are pretty much invincible. | ||
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babysimba
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Stancel
Singapore15360 Posts
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
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Kreb
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On October 12 2015 11:36 ChunderBoy wrote: u get aghs when u feel like 1 guy is going to cause more problems than u are rdy to deal with otherwise ignore it also i think ac is almost always > shivas coz u get -5 armour +45%dmg +20%ias auras with vlads/ac/wolf but shiva is good in those games where u need the vision from it to doom someone sneaky when u blink or something Dont you get shivas to prepare for refresher? To me you go shivas if you go Agh. Because if you go Agh you likely go refresher. Double ult, double shivas, double bkb (if you have it), and mana to support it all. AC for when you go aura/right click items. | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
i also dont think aghs => refresher | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 14 2015 00:37 ahswtini wrote: ac and shivas do two different things, and i dont think being able to refresh shivas is the dealmaker when deciding between the two items It's not so much to refresh Shiva's, it's that the +Int helps you actually cast everything (Doom with level 16 + Agha has 878 max mana, and 1 Scorched Earth, 2 Lvl? Deaths, and 2 Dooms costs 795 + 375 Refresh, plus potentially more for 2 Centaur stomps or something). Lvl?Death does a ton of damage lategame when it's on-level, so actually having mana to cast it again is useful. That said, this is still not the biggest impacting factor on whether you buy AC or Shiva. On October 14 2015 00:37 ahswtini wrote: i also dont think aghs => refresher Agree, Agha gives balanced stats and the nature of the effect is such that the Agha effect doesn't necessarily synergize with being able to cast 2 Dooms (your 2 Doom targets aren't going to stay together so you're still only going to be able to perma-Doom one person). You get Agha when one person is a big enough problem for you to want to perma-Doom them. You get Refresher when there are 2 people you need to Doom. The two situations don't necessarily coincide so getting one doesn't guarantee the other. | ||
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Kreb
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TheYango
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BluemoonSC
SoCal8910 Posts
but, i agree with yango and ahswtini getting refresher doesn't necessitate getting an aghs. that said, if you wanted to get an agha, when is the best time to pick it up? agha first sounds horrendous because it'll take you forever to get there if you rush it. phase -> drums/sny first? | ||
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trinxified
Canada7774 Posts
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BluemoonSC
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 14 2015 05:55 BluemoonSC wrote: i think that if you want to go refresher at some point, aghs makes it more appealing since that means you (potentially) value the spell over the right click and you'll want the stats. Well the flip side is also that setting yourself 5k gold behind on defensive stats makes it harder for you to just chase down 1 person and maintain the perma-Doom in a fight. A Doom with Agha + 2 defensive items kind of just stays in there and keeps that one person down till they die because the other people can't just kill a Doom who's sufficiently tanky, but a Doom with Agha + Refresher + 1 defensive item has a harder time doing that, since he's just far easier to kill (even with a 2nd person Doomed). So again, the two items serve different needs. If you need to keep one person down (or especially need the Break effect), you buy the Agha. If you need to Doom 2 people, you get Refresher to Doom 2 people. Sometimes you need to do both, but getting 1 doesn't force or exceptionally favor you to do the other. | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6228 Posts
On October 14 2015 05:55 BluemoonSC wrote: i think that if you want to go refresher at some point, aghs makes it more appealing since that means you (potentially) value the spell over the right click and you'll want the stats. but, i agree with yango and ahswtini getting refresher doesn't necessitate getting an aghs. that said, if you wanted to get an agha, when is the best time to pick it up? agha first sounds horrendous because it'll take you forever to get there if you rush it. phase -> drums/sny first? ....I'm 99% certain the discussion was about aghs necessitating rfo, not the other way around. You're going to want aghs before refresh in the vast majority of cases, to me. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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BluemoonSC
SoCal8910 Posts
On October 14 2015 06:09 Belisarius wrote: ....I'm 99% certain the discussion was about aghs necessitating rfo, not the other way around. You're going to want aghs before refresh in the vast majority of cases, to me. well, yes. i was just adding that in addition to aghs not forcing you into refresher, getting refresher does not force you to have an agha beforehand, BUT it is appealing to do so for mana reasons now that rfo does not provide int. one doesn't require the other..but if you plan on going refresher, you need some int to be able to cast everything and aghs is an appealing choice because you're bulkier. on the other hand, as yango pointed out, you're not as tanky as if, for instance, you got a shivas nor will you necessarily be able to stand next to both of your doom targets. related, but unrelated: + Show Spoiler + i personally don't think that you have to stand next to both doom targets, if you have, say, a dazzle + AM. one doom shuts the dazzle up and the other doom is so that, not only can the AM not escape, he cant just decide he's going to manfight and burn people down while he's doomed bc spell shield + mana break don't give a fuck. if the dazzle is alive, am could care less that he's doomed if he's sufficiently farmed. while there other situations where this applies, this particular on is a highly situational choice especially bc you don't want to have shiva's int when there's an AM on the field  | ||
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