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On January 17 2016 02:09 hunter_x wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2016 02:08 fajo wrote:
So what's the take on Alliance's direct invite now? can you plz get out?
You're funny hunter_x. I dont root for any of the teams, but pop by in the forums once in awhile and just had to make this post today; You go in the alliance thread, continuously give them shit and laugh at them when they weren't doing so well. Now that Alliance's won the team you're rooting for.. you're getting all butthurt here when Alliance fans are doing exactly what you did...? Hypocrisy at it's finest..
That being said, game 1 could have gone either way, props to liquid for pulling the game back to a winnable state when they were crushed pretty badly in the laning stages.
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On January 17 2016 03:02 hairleh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2016 02:09 hunter_x wrote:On January 17 2016 02:08 fajo wrote:
So what's the take on Alliance's direct invite now? can you plz get out? You're funny hunter_x. I dont root for any of the teams, but pop by in the forums once in awhile and just had to make this post today; You go in the alliance thread, continuously give them shit and laugh at them when they weren't doing so well. Now that Alliance's won the team you're rooting for.. you're getting all butthurt here when Alliance fans are doing exactly what you did...? Hypocrisy at it's finest.. That being said, game 1 could have gone either way, props to liquid for pulling the game back to a winnable state when they were crushed pretty badly in the laning stages.
did you make an account just to say that? i did not say shit in the alliance thread for quite some time, and i will also not do it in the future, i am done with that. so what he said just pissed me off, thats all.
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The talk about someone proving that they "deserved" an invite is just silly. Who gets the invites is based on what happened before the invites went out, not what happened after. Nothing has changed in that regard after today's game. At least it all ended fine and both A and TL are at the major, they definitely both should be there if we consider the level of the teams.
Speculating about roster changes is largely pointless at this point given that nothing is going to happen before Shanghai major anyway. We'll see what happens at the major itself. But it's not even out of the question that there could be relatively major changes in the EU scene depending on what happens. For example Secret and TL are both at a point where I feel if they do well at the major they won't be changing anything, but if both bomb out there could be bigger switching than just 1 player.
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Liquid doesn't seem like the kind of organization that would swap out players after a few months, definitely not. Unless it's in the hand of the captain or whoever. But I don't think they will swap any players around with 6 months to go to TI
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Pretty sure the organization doesn't have that much power if the players want to do something. And the organization is definitely not the one who takes the initiative for a player change if it were to happen.
I think the post Shanghai major period is precisely the time changes may happen to teams. Frankfurt major was too soon after the new lineups were formed, but after Shanghai teams have a better idea of where they are heading and what their chances are going towards TI. But again it depends on how different teams at the major itself, hard to really speculate on any team atm.
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why would liquid change players ?
they are doing good , beating teams here and there , placing respectable place in LANs.
not even VP have achievement like liquid does past 3 months.
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Why does anyone change players? They don't see the current team going where they want it to go and think they can do better after changes. Results wise alone there is hardly cause for concern imo, TL is close to the very best teams and probably has room to develop as the major approaches. But you never really know from the outside what goes on in a team and what the players themselves think.
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I dont think they will change anything after the majors. They just seem to have some nerve issues. You could clearly see the diffrence between groupstage play and games on the big stage. Sure alliance played very well, but that is not all there is. They just need to get more comfortable, playing in front of a big crowd. Kuro and fata should be able to help the other less experienced guys. We should not forget, that all the other top teams right now have much more experience, when it comes to that. Alliance, eg, lgd and so on are all used to that kind of pressure. Liquid is still a fairly new team, but i have faith in them.
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I don't think they should kick anyone, but I do feel Mind_control is currently the biggest bottleneck by quite a large margin. It could also be that Kuro is picking him the wrong heroes. He feels more like a playmaker and space creator than a farming / scaling offlaner.
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I wanna see MC be let free, give him some timber and bat and see what he can do
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On January 17 2016 06:19 spudde123 wrote:
Pretty sure the organization doesn't have that much power if the players want to do something. And the organization is definitely not the one who takes the initiative for a player change if it were to happen.
Kind of wonder about that, because I can't for the life of me see how the last Liquid roster reached the point it did unless the team was feeling pressured to make no changes at all. Especially since, at the time, Liquid had this reputation of never letting anyone go ever (queue retirement home jokes).
That said, no bearing on the team or organization now.
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I can't really believe people think about changing the team.
they only lost 2 games...
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Casters were saying MC wasn't used to playing on a LAN with such a huge crowd. I don't think that necessarily warrants removing him from the team. I mean he usually does quite well and if he gets used to playing on LANs I'm sure he'll do quite well on them too. Besides better get that experience losing in Starladder than losing your cool in the major. 
Beyond that I just think Alliance played well in both games and I think the DP (and the safe lane feed into the aggro tri) just didn't really work for Liquid this time around. I'm sure we'll see some more solid play from them at other LANs.
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liquid lost mostly because drafts. MC did definitely underperform, but kuro gave liquid very hard drafts to execute. often not a lot of synergy with DP, little hard disables. honestly as good as jerax was on earth spirit i think tusk wouldve made a bigger impact
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People with the pitchforks after being dissatisfied with a team's result at a LAN(s).
Give it a fucking break. Do you expect teams to shuffle every 5 minutes? NO. Unless there are fucking obvious chemistry/attitude problems/gameplay problems that won't be solved over time then yeah sure you need to re-think what people you are playing with.
idiots. seriously.
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im happy with kuro drafting. high risk high reward drafts. i hope they shape up before the major!
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On January 17 2016 17:47 yookstah wrote:
People with the pitchforks after being dissatisfied with a team's result at a LAN(s).
Give it a fucking break. Do you expect teams to shuffle every 5 minutes? NO. Unless there are fucking obvious chemistry/attitude problems/gameplay problems that won't be solved over time then yeah sure you need to re-think what people you are playing with.
idiots. seriously.
Why even bother explaining them how a team needs to progress and peak , its not by changing players every other month thats for sure , you go with a team you believe in and you try your hardest if things doesn't work for a period of time (or shit hit the fan) in which you did your best maybe you can think about switching , Liquid are not there , they are improving and wrecked a stacked qualifier with ease , there is only one EG at the moment which are consistently top 3 in every tourney they play the rest of the teams have larger variance , going 3/4th on such a competitive SL is nothing to be ashamed of , stop putting pressure on MC by writing all this hate on the team forum and he might feel better , he most certainly affected by his nerves no need to increase them even more.... RELAX YOU ARE DOING FINE!
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does mind control stream ever? I wonder if he were to force himself to do that and keep chat open if it could help him get used to crowds. I mean playing online and knowing people are watching is different than seeing them watching which is apparently where his issue is. So, since you cannot reproduce that effect, the closest thing may be having a chat open where you cannot ignore that people are watching.
Maybe he does and i just never see him on the sidebar; and maybe my idea is a terrible one, but it might be worth him looking into anyway to get used to performing in front of a crowd.
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it wasnt only mind control choking, Fata choked the least but matumba choked hard too
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On January 17 2016 18:06 bluzi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2016 17:47 yookstah wrote:
People with the pitchforks after being dissatisfied with a team's result at a LAN(s).
Give it a fucking break. Do you expect teams to shuffle every 5 minutes? NO. Unless there are fucking obvious chemistry/attitude problems/gameplay problems that won't be solved over time then yeah sure you need to re-think what people you are playing with.
idiots. seriously. Why even bother explaining them how a team needs to progress and peak , its not by changing players every other month thats for sure , you go with a team you believe in and you try your hardest if things doesn't work for a period of time (or shit hit the fan) in which you did your best maybe you can think about switching , Liquid are not there , they are improving and wrecked a stacked qualifier with ease , there is only one EG at the moment which are consistently top 3 in every tourney they play the rest of the teams have larger variance , going 3/4th on such a competitive SL is nothing to be ashamed of , stop putting pressure on MC by writing all this hate on the team forum and he might feel better , he most certainly affected by his nerves no need to increase them even more.... RELAX YOU ARE DOING FINE!
There's a difference between criticism and hate. Just like it doesn't help to switch rosters every other month it also doesn't help to ignore bad performances to spare someone's feelings. I can empathize with MC, Jerax and Matumba on nerves, but that's not going to help them play their best next Major or next TI. It's still a problem that needs to be conquered.
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