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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
On May 02 2017 00:35 Gear 3rd wrote: Goodbye hunter. We will miss you (i guess  )But since were talking about a Liquid win here you wont be gone for that long! I hope so, but it needs to be something big. I dont want to make it easy for myself. Maybe this is good karma for the team, who knows;) Ok bye for real now, im out. | ||
Firebolt145
Lalalaland34503 Posts
You don't actually have to leave but okay | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
On May 02 2017 05:27 Firebolt145 wrote: Uh You don't actually have to leave but okay People on the internet always stick to their word and are men and women of integrity | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
On May 02 2017 00:28 Saechiis wrote: When did it become our goal to be okay? Every TL game these days is like watching a kitten stumble across the road where we just pray it makes it to the other side. When we win I feel relief. with FATA and Jerax we used to destroy teams, there was no fear of losing to tier 2 teams in a BO3. You say we can beat any team with a bit of luck, but we can also lose to any team. Dota 2 is a skill based game, you don't need luck if you're better than the opponent. TL is not lacking in individual skill even when you compare it to the dominant Liquid with Fata and Jerax. So why does the team's performances not add up to their MMR? The most obvious answer is because the pieces don't stack, and they haven't stacked for months. At some point you have to come the the conclusion that the pieces aren't coming together and that the pzuzle requires a different approach. That could be trough roleswaps, getting a sub to see what changes in the team dynamic or more radical, making roster changes. I'd love to see anything that indicates they're working hard to find a way to make the team gel. That said I still love Team Liquid and I only want to see them succeed, not disband. I only ask for Kuro to consider my faint heart when he crosses the road. Well let's break it down MC He's mostly solid, you could get someone with different hero pool who makes better plays, creates space But in terms of team cohesion/strategy not much would change GH Oh come on no question here Bulba was the most consistently solid player on the team, but didn't gel. We have a Jerax style playmaker who just needs more experience, letting him go would be retarded Kuro Kuro IS Liquid pretty much who else can we get. . . PPD? So that leaves . . . Miracle and Matumba They struggled from day1 to gel OG, old liquid shown that one CSing TOP MMR star that will dominate when you play on him Combined with solid flexible, adaptable,enabling, playmaking yet still very solid second core that keeps reasonable farm throughout the game like Fata/N0tail Is clearly the best way to go. But...you'd be kicking one of your two biggest stars Hoping for a player that's super rare on the market (Don't think there's a question that N0tail is by far the best 1 player right now), or going back to rusty Fata . . . Yeah no thanks, I want my team to stick together, excite us, win some stuff every now and then and have solid chance at TOP3 TI as a Liquid fan I'll be ecstatic like I am now - this team's damn awesome  | ||
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vndestiny
Singapore3457 Posts
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
but it's not like that much will change strategically if you get a better player there | ||
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Aurrius
Germany120 Posts
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
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shouldbeworking
946 Posts
That kind of dynamic is what a championship team is made of. No idea how Liquid handles the shot calling ingame, but instead of switching players they can do some team building exercises. | ||
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juuto
809 Posts
On May 03 2017 10:49 shouldbeworking wrote: I like how in the interview after the Kiev Major, Ana says when it becomes late game and during big team fights that he starts to captain the team. Then Fly just says when that happens he takes a back seat because he is "just a Dazzle." You can shit on his laning all you want, but it is no doubt that Ana knows how to think one step ahead of his opponents. That kind of dynamic is what a championship team is made of. No idea how Liquid handles the shot calling ingame, but instead of switching players they can do some team building exercises. I remember Matu saying the game at Starladder where they played rat Dota with BM, Morph, and Io that Gh and MC were making decisions and calling shots while Kuro was very quiet that game. | ||
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shouldbeworking
946 Posts
On May 03 2017 12:31 juuto wrote: I remember Matu saying the game at Starladder where they played rat Dota with BM, Morph, and Io that Gh and MC were making decisions and calling shots while Kuro was very quiet that game. I wonder how vocal Matu and Miracle are. I hope they are not suffering the same issue Khezu was talking about in his after Kiev statement. Khezu basically said he was quick to just accept whatever his teammates said and did not voice his suggestion. That is probably the hardest thing about dota. It is doubtful everyone is right 100% of the time and it is scary to take responsibility for a loss. For most players it's easier to just sit back and do their jobs. Actually shotcalling and theorycrafting is a huge burden especially if you start to make mistakes. It looks kind of crazy for Liquid to reshuffle. It isn't like they are lacking talent. Simply bewildering how they aren't finding success with this roster. | ||
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xyzz
567 Posts
It looks kind of crazy for Liquid to reshuffle. It isn't like they are lacking talent. Simply bewildering how they aren't finding success with this roster. Adding Miracle was ok. Losing Jerax was not. It's a change for the worse. Simply put, Liquid's current roster is worse than the one with Jerax. Matu/Miracle synergy is just fine, but Jerax's shoes are still unfilled. It's really not a hard one to figure out. The team with Jerax on it wins tournaments. | ||
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Pontual
Brazil3038 Posts
I'm certain that everyone agrees Liquid has incredible talent and perhaps they just need to keep things simple. | ||
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NInoff
Bulgaria1105 Posts
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vndestiny
Singapore3457 Posts
On May 05 2017 15:24 NInoff wrote: Why are we not attending The Summit? I mean there is still two invite slots, but those are reserved for EG and OG. Maybe there is a chance we get it if, but that's if one of them decides not to attend but i doubt that someone will discard a direct invite for a 3-4 day lan that lets you scrim with top teams. I think cause it's really closed to Epicenter ? I'm not sure. I think we should at least attend 2 out of 3 Epicenter, The Summit or Manila Master though. | ||
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Pontual
Brazil3038 Posts
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juuto
809 Posts
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chabode
330 Posts
may 13th series looking pretty stacked tho, 4 straight matches in a day | ||
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Aurrius
Germany120 Posts
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
We can just get a top class offlaner (there's none) Or kick Miracle and Matumba And get a replacement by TI (lol) | ||
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