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hunter_x
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany2762 Posts
May 01 2017 18:35 GMT
#3801
On May 02 2017 00:35 Gear 3rd wrote:
Goodbye hunter. We will miss you (i guess )
But since were talking about a Liquid win here you wont be gone for that long!

I hope so, but it needs to be something big. I dont want to make it easy for myself. Maybe this is good karma for the team, who knows;)
Ok bye for real now, im out.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34490 Posts
May 01 2017 20:27 GMT
#3802
Uh

You don't actually have to leave but okay
Moderator
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
May 01 2017 21:05 GMT
#3803
On May 02 2017 05:27 Firebolt145 wrote:
Uh

You don't actually have to leave but okay

People on the internet always stick to their word and are men and women of integrity
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-01 21:15:28
May 01 2017 21:13 GMT
#3804
On May 02 2017 00:28 Saechiis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2017 15:55 LemOn wrote:
Why'd they have to disband at all
Seriously we can beat anyone with a bit of luck
Won a few tourneys
I don't think you need to go win it all or bust do you, especially with how volatile the scene is


When did it become our goal to be okay? Every TL game these days is like watching a kitten stumble across the road where we just pray it makes it to the other side. When we win I feel relief. with FATA and Jerax we used to destroy teams, there was no fear of losing to tier 2 teams in a BO3. You say we can beat any team with a bit of luck, but we can also lose to any team. Dota 2 is a skill based game, you don't need luck if you're better than the opponent. TL is not lacking in individual skill even when you compare it to the dominant Liquid with Fata and Jerax. So why does the team's performances not add up to their MMR? The most obvious answer is because the pieces don't stack, and they haven't stacked for months. At some point you have to come the the conclusion that the pieces aren't coming together and that the pzuzle requires a different approach. That could be trough roleswaps, getting a sub to see what changes in the team dynamic or more radical, making roster changes. I'd love to see anything that indicates they're working hard to find a way to make the team gel.

That said I still love Team Liquid and I only want to see them succeed, not disband. I only ask for Kuro to consider my faint heart when he crosses the road.


Well let's break it down

MC
He's mostly solid, you could get someone with different hero pool who makes better plays, creates space
But in terms of team cohesion/strategy not much would change
GH
Oh come on no question here
Bulba was the most consistently solid player on the team, but didn't gel. We have a Jerax style playmaker who just needs more experience, letting him go would be retarded
Kuro
Kuro IS Liquid pretty much who else can we get. . . PPD?

So that leaves . . .
Miracle and Matumba
They struggled from day1 to gel
OG, old liquid shown that one CSing TOP MMR star that will dominate when you play on him
Combined with solid flexible, adaptable,enabling, playmaking yet still very solid second core that keeps reasonable farm throughout the game like Fata/N0tail

Is clearly the best way to go.


But...you'd be kicking one of your two biggest stars
Hoping for a player that's super rare on the market (Don't think there's a question that N0tail is by far the best 1 player right now), or going back to rusty Fata . . .



Yeah no thanks, I want my team to stick together, excite us, win some stuff every now and then and have solid chance at TOP3 TI as a Liquid fan I'll be ecstatic like I am now - this team's damn awesome
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
vndestiny
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore3440 Posts
May 02 2017 07:20 GMT
#3805
I would argue that MC is being the least solid right now actually.
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
May 02 2017 09:04 GMT
#3806
well yeah
but it's not like that much will change strategically if you get a better player there
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
Aurrius
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany120 Posts
May 02 2017 16:39 GMT
#3807
Im hoping that Team Liquid gets their direct invite for the next Epicenter Event.
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
May 02 2017 17:25 GMT
#3808
They should be, I mean they are defending champions
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
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shouldbeworking
Profile Joined October 2014
946 Posts
May 03 2017 01:49 GMT
#3809
I like how in the interview after the Kiev Major, Ana says when it becomes late game and during big team fights that he starts to captain the team. Then Fly just says when that happens he takes a back seat because he is "just a Dazzle." You can shit on his laning all you want, but it is no doubt that Ana knows how to think one step ahead of his opponents.

That kind of dynamic is what a championship team is made of. No idea how Liquid handles the shot calling ingame, but instead of switching players they can do some team building exercises.
juuto
Profile Joined January 2014
809 Posts
May 03 2017 03:31 GMT
#3810
On May 03 2017 10:49 shouldbeworking wrote:
I like how in the interview after the Kiev Major, Ana says when it becomes late game and during big team fights that he starts to captain the team. Then Fly just says when that happens he takes a back seat because he is "just a Dazzle." You can shit on his laning all you want, but it is no doubt that Ana knows how to think one step ahead of his opponents.

That kind of dynamic is what a championship team is made of. No idea how Liquid handles the shot calling ingame, but instead of switching players they can do some team building exercises.


I remember Matu saying the game at Starladder where they played rat Dota with BM, Morph, and Io that Gh and MC were making decisions and calling shots while Kuro was very quiet that game.
shouldbeworking
Profile Joined October 2014
946 Posts
May 03 2017 08:25 GMT
#3811
On May 03 2017 12:31 juuto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2017 10:49 shouldbeworking wrote:
I like how in the interview after the Kiev Major, Ana says when it becomes late game and during big team fights that he starts to captain the team. Then Fly just says when that happens he takes a back seat because he is "just a Dazzle." You can shit on his laning all you want, but it is no doubt that Ana knows how to think one step ahead of his opponents.

That kind of dynamic is what a championship team is made of. No idea how Liquid handles the shot calling ingame, but instead of switching players they can do some team building exercises.


I remember Matu saying the game at Starladder where they played rat Dota with BM, Morph, and Io that Gh and MC were making decisions and calling shots while Kuro was very quiet that game.


I wonder how vocal Matu and Miracle are. I hope they are not suffering the same issue Khezu was talking about in his after Kiev statement. Khezu basically said he was quick to just accept whatever his teammates said and did not voice his suggestion.

That is probably the hardest thing about dota. It is doubtful everyone is right 100% of the time and it is scary to take responsibility for a loss. For most players it's easier to just sit back and do their jobs. Actually shotcalling and theorycrafting is a huge burden especially if you start to make mistakes.

It looks kind of crazy for Liquid to reshuffle. It isn't like they are lacking talent. Simply bewildering how they aren't finding success with this roster.
xyzz
Profile Joined January 2012
567 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-04 18:55:03
May 04 2017 18:53 GMT
#3812
It looks kind of crazy for Liquid to reshuffle. It isn't like they are lacking talent. Simply bewildering how they aren't finding success with this roster.

Adding Miracle was ok. Losing Jerax was not. It's a change for the worse. Simply put, Liquid's current roster is worse than the one with Jerax. Matu/Miracle synergy is just fine, but Jerax's shoes are still unfilled. It's really not a hard one to figure out. The team with Jerax on it wins tournaments.
Pontual
Profile Joined October 2016
Brazil3038 Posts
May 04 2017 19:12 GMT
#3813
Trying to point names is just a thoughtless try to figure the team's problem. Imo only them have an idea of what's not working and i'm sure they'll figure it out. Even if they need to shuffle to fix the said issue.

I'm certain that everyone agrees Liquid has incredible talent and perhaps they just need to keep things simple.
NInoff
Profile Joined August 2011
Bulgaria1105 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-05 06:25:59
May 05 2017 06:24 GMT
#3814
Why are we not attending The Summit? I mean there is still two invite slots, but those are reserved for EG and OG. Maybe there is a chance we get it if, but that's if one of them decides not to attend but i doubt that someone will discard a direct invite for a 3-4 day lan that lets you scrim with top teams.
vndestiny
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore3440 Posts
May 05 2017 17:35 GMT
#3815
On May 05 2017 15:24 NInoff wrote:
Why are we not attending The Summit? I mean there is still two invite slots, but those are reserved for EG and OG. Maybe there is a chance we get it if, but that's if one of them decides not to attend but i doubt that someone will discard a direct invite for a 3-4 day lan that lets you scrim with top teams.


I think cause it's really closed to Epicenter ? I'm not sure.
I think we should at least attend 2 out of 3 Epicenter, The Summit or Manila Master though.
Pontual
Profile Joined October 2016
Brazil3038 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-05 19:41:31
May 05 2017 19:41 GMT
#3816
Yay team liquid invited to epicenter!
juuto
Profile Joined January 2014
809 Posts
May 06 2017 08:01 GMT
#3817
Liquid has also been invited to the StarLadder i-League Invitational #2 which will take place on May 18th less than two weeks from now according to Liquidpedia.
chabode
Profile Joined March 2017
330 Posts
May 06 2017 09:07 GMT
#3818
and also taking part on DreamleagueS7 EU div with their first match on May 11th against Navi

may 13th series looking pretty stacked tho, 4 straight matches in a day
Aurrius
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany120 Posts
May 06 2017 13:41 GMT
#3819
Could we get some Informations from Team Liquid if this Team is staying together? And i really would like it too see more Social Media activity at all.
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
May 06 2017 16:14 GMT
#3820
why wouldn't they
We can just get a top class offlaner (there's none)
Or kick Miracle and Matumba
And get a replacement by TI (lol)
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
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