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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
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BasalGanglia
31 Posts
On October 14 2016 06:29 SFDuality wrote: I don't know, it seems kind of irresponsible to me, to not practice until a week before your first tournament when you've had your roster for at least a month. Especially when the other top teams have already played a major tournament you opted out of. . Nah, this is probably the quietest time of the year as far as DOTA goes, so this is exactly the time to a break, relax and recharge your batteries. Because to be honest, the top teams do not care much about how the Dream League goes... you can see that from how many top teams withdrew just to have time to bootcamp for the Boston Major. Travelling around all year playing Dota is probably damn stressful (thats why FATA- said he needed a break), so I think the team taking it easy right now is probably the best thing they can do. | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
I'm still not too optimistic about the current roster, I suspect support play issues is going to be a recurring theme. | ||
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caiovigg
Brazil1802 Posts
On October 14 2016 08:33 Talin wrote: Pretty sure they were dominant right off the bat last year, they only faltered in key qualifier games (notably vs Alliance). But overall they had an insane winrate. I'm still not too optimistic about the current roster, I suspect support play issues is going to be a recurring theme. There was 3 qualifiers right after TI: Vega won ESL Monkey business(OG) won MLG 5jungz(liquid) won a tournament in China And they lost the major qualifier They were not that hot, they started to shine after the first major | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Dominant? farm from it | ||
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Porcupinathy
235 Posts
Even in December, they were struggling against teams like CIS-R and Vega, (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/StarLadder/i-League_StarSeries/Season_1/Europe_and_CIS#Results ), and in January, they were losing to Power Rangers, HellRaisers, RoX, etc. (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/Dota_Pit_League/Season_4/European_Qualifiers/Group_A ) So I wouldn't worry about the team just yet. | ||
Tephus
Cascadia1753 Posts
But overall, in those first few months, the team was definitely statistically dominant. In the period before being signed by liquid, the team had a 76% winrate in maps, going 7-2-3 (w-t-l) in series, according to dotabuff, or 15-2-2 according to ggnet (79% winrate). The team ended their stint as 5Jungz on a 9 match win streak. Sure, they werent always playing the best of the best, but who were the best of the best at that time? OG/Mb? (alliance sucked, cis was in disarray, secret was dodging all events unless invited) In that period, and early TL period, they traded matches with OG all the time (just seemed to lose the more important ones..) | ||
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NInoff
Bulgaria1105 Posts
Also they only really played bad in game 1 vs VP. Then game 2 VP played out of their minds, flawless dota. Add some questionable positioning and plays from Liquid, and you get yourself a stomp. Now yesterday vs Vega, game 1 they played OK, but FN played the best Jug game i've seen in a long time. Not to mention some key plays - killing MC and claiming the Gem, when his team was dead and the rosh fight were game changing. We can all flame and blame Bulba for everything, but that mid Rubick strategy didn't come from Kuro for sure ( yeah Miracle probably always wants to play Rubick, but picking random Rubick mid doesn't work for years now, it needs the correct draft). The guy may not be the most experienced support player, but he understands the game very well, and can bring some awesome and unexpected for the opponents ideas to the table ( Even EE said in his blog that after Bulba joined Secret he brought some very nice strategies and ideas with him and everyone were hyped despite the other problems), add one of the best captains in the world, two 9k MMR players and an awesome offlaner to the equation and you get yourself one damn good team. All they need is time. By the time the Major arrives everyone will be scared of TL, mark my words! | ||
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
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Anamorph
236 Posts
On October 14 2016 17:34 hunter_x wrote: Im pretty sure they will be scary again. The games against vp and vega were like day and night. And they improved like that in only two days. Give them some weeks, and im pretty sure they will own a lot of teams. Take miracle for example, in og, most of the time he had to carry the team, because notail is just not a good carry. Now he has a world class carry on his side, the mighty matumbaman. Also bulba may not be as skilled as jerax, but i have to say his sd yesterday was pretty flawless. He can help kuro with drafting, strats, and in game leading. Im kind of optimistic right now, we will see what happens;) Kuro was such an awesome drafter, he also tried a lot of new things like the clockwerk 4th. He needs to find back, I dont like their draft ideas in this patch. | ||
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jack_knife
Germany343 Posts
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wims80
1892 Posts
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Pontual
Brazil3038 Posts
We are not the best skilled team, none of us are, we are good, but not the best in raw skill. Made me think about liquid's roster. This team along with EG, has the biggest potential to be the best. Just give them time, our boys are 1 step ahead of almost everyone in the scene. | ||
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caiovigg
Brazil1802 Posts
On October 14 2016 17:06 NInoff wrote: Yeah, but they've been playing together as 5jungs for a while. Playing for 5 days is like 10-15 games in pubs and some scrims thats not enough. Also they only really played bad in game 1 vs VP. Then game 2 VP played out of their minds, flawless dota. Add some questionable positioning and plays from Liquid, and you get yourself a stomp. Now yesterday vs Vega, game 1 they played OK, but FN played the best Jug game i've seen in a long time. Not to mention some key plays - killing MC and claiming the Gem, when his team was dead and the rosh fight were game changing. We can all flame and blame Bulba for everything, but that mid Rubick strategy didn't come from Kuro for sure ( yeah Miracle probably always wants to play Rubick, but picking random Rubick mid doesn't work for years now, it needs the correct draft). The guy may not be the most experienced support player, but he understands the game very well, and can bring some awesome and unexpected for the opponents ideas to the table ( Even EE said in his blog that after Bulba joined Secret he brought some very nice strategies and ideas with him and everyone were hyped despite the other problems), add one of the best captains in the world, two 9k MMR players and an awesome offlaner to the equation and you get yourself one damn good team. All they need is time. By the time the Major arrives everyone will be scared of TL, mark my words! There is no one blaming bulba for their losses | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On October 14 2016 18:59 Anamorph wrote: Kuro was such an awesome drafter, he also tried a lot of new things like the clockwerk 4th. He needs to find back, I dont like their draft ideas in this patch. I thought half of Liquid's problems early on last year was Kuro drafting dumb 4 position heroes? | ||
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zolasell
Greece288 Posts
On October 14 2016 17:34 hunter_x wrote: Im pretty sure they will be scary again. The games against vp and vega were like day and night. And they improved like that in only two days. Give them some weeks, and im pretty sure they will own a lot of teams. Take miracle for example, in og, most of the time he had to carry the team, because notail is just not a good carry. Now he has a world class carry on his side, the mighty matumbaman. Also bulba may not be as skilled as jerax, but i have to say his sd yesterday was pretty flawless. He can help kuro with drafting, strats, and in game leading. Im kind of optimistic right now, we will see what happens;) I really like liquid and i hope you are right but....people were saying the same about universe rtz secret.anyway we have seen scary squads do bad and then dominate(DC) and we have seen scary squads doing bad and disbanding (secret).lets just hope liquid is in the first category  | ||
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MirageTaN
Singapore871 Posts
So? I think that they can go further then the last Liquid, it's only their first 4 matches and their first win was with a Mid rubick, I think we are putting too much pressure on a team that wants to have fun and honestly, I watch dota to have a great time and I think a team that laughs together and sticks together and experiments together will get far together, and I see that in this current Liquid. I have high hopes for their future :D | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Very good T1.5-T2 team in friends is up next | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
We lost Jerax, no big deal. You be Jerax now Miracle, take support heroes and go mid pal! | ||
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