EPTOn August 07 2015 16:35 EvilTeletubby wrote:
I'm sad now.
I'm sad now.
I now exactly how you feel.
The uncertain future ahead adds to that.
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Elizar
Germany431 Posts
I now exactly how you feel. The uncertain future ahead adds to that. | ||
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goody153
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Before TI4 IG like owned EG at the grand finals of ESL with the infamous 22-0 . And they 4-1'd DK in a b07 before TI4. They were looking unbeatable then at TI4 they uhh went weird still good . (like they lost to LGD , newbee , c9 and Navi.US ultralategame) They also had similarities as as Secret. Like they are also 7-8th place who lost to a team they shouldn't have and also were a huge contender to be the first 2 time TI winners lol | ||
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Nikto
Slovakia410 Posts
 overall judging by how the groups and playoff went, they were weak to more than a couple of heroes/strategies and I think s4 not drafting counters to storm or not outright banning it rubbed of off Puppey onto him (remember Starladder finals vs EG, aye) to all the people who are saying they are still capable of winning the Majors etc, maybe so, but this argument doesn't belong here, fact is, they had a very disappointing run in the Tournament that matters the most in the whole year, Majors won't change anything in this regard, the feeling of failing on the most important stage will remain, forever to all the haters, don't write stupid stuff to other fans you wouldn't want to be written when your team get's the boot back to you, karma might catch up to you and it's not a nice feeling, but yeah, this is the internetz so I don't believe something will change with the guys that this is aimed at | ||
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bluzi
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Nikto
Slovakia410 Posts
On August 07 2015 18:35 bluzi wrote: You say the fans are dramtic and what not ,but its actually the team that implodes and its clear there is DRAMA there , so dont blame the posters only , not like they came out saying "yha we f***ed up , but we are sticking togther" its actually the reverse I never said there is no drama in the team but we are the least competent people to talk about drama on the team since we know nothing about what really is in the Team also disband or no disband doesn't matter to anything I wrote, but don't worry, I don't feel offended or anything, anybody can have their opinion, the only thing I wanted to emphasize with the post is, be civilized | ||
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Racket
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For those who hate on s4, I am sorry but he and RTZ almost exchanged roles in both games, s4 was on top of the networth for the first 30 minutes as a QoP, and carried them the whole game, Kky didn't exist at all and while the draft was super greedy, Ppy's item choice didn't help in the least, he landed just one BH. RTZ died a lot and Zai did what he could but 2 people won't win a game. In game 3 s4 died quite a lot but Ppy saved his grave more than once to cast it, I guess, on RTZ, who just walked off and ended up using it on Zai or Kky which led to s4 dying without casting his ult. The map was VPs and Secret couldn't get back up with how hard VP pushed, RTZ took all the farm by clearing the waves that otherwise would have allowed VP to end the game faster. They didn't lose by outdraft, they didn't lose because of individual mistakes, they got outplayed. You can see how Secret knee jerked their ults many times and VP retreated, then pushed again or even caught Secret out of position and won fights. Both games were winnable by Secret, but they put a performance not at the required level. Some players had higher impact and others lower. | ||
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Kleinmuuhg
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Tuco
China200 Posts
On August 07 2015 10:10 Belisarius wrote: I really hope secret sticks together. Maybe switching s4, but I think he's just the scapegoat a lot of the time. The worst thing about TI is all these promising, talented teams that just get dismantled the instant they lose. I mean... seriously, only one team can ever win (and it will be EG now heyoooo). Secret are still in shape to take the next like four tournaments if they can avoid imploding. Idk it just sucks to lose all continuity in the scene once a year. I hope the majors change things. Me too. I feel like it would be so sad if Secret disbands after this loss. Despite the severe farm disadvantage at the end of game three, Secret's play was still really exciting to watch, I don't think many teams could have put up a fight like that for that long given the draft and the way the early game played out. | ||
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Mackh
France132 Posts
 Plus they may have fallen short on TI, but they still had one of the best year possible for a team. However they'll probably look for some roster change, especially if there's tension in the team : One can only dream : Kuro carry, RTZ mid , zai offlane, Puppey + Notail supp | ||
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Racket
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On August 07 2015 20:09 Mackh wrote: I don't think they'll disband, the secret brand is now worth quite a bit, they should keep the team alive just for the potential free invites in big prize tournaments Plus they may have failed short on TI, but they still had one of the best year possible for a team. But they'll probably look for some roster change, especially if they're tension in the team : One can only dream : Kuro carry, RTZ mid , zai offlane, Puppey + Notail supp I like that team | ||
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Geisterkarle
Germany3257 Posts
Because of the high individual level of the players (all of them!) I think they are something, that was said about NaVi during their high times: Kings of Chaos! If there is a chaotic team fight, they will be at the right position the right time, to handle that. But what did VP draft? A complete lineup of stuns, silence and control. They wanted to stop Secret from running around, creating chaos and outplaying them in "one on ones"; and they did that! All over TI5 I always thought, that Secret is picking no control heroes. Look at the last lineup: A Dark Seer Vacuum and a Rubick Telekinesis are the only skills that will disrupt any enemy hero! And working against 4 stunners and a AoE silence... yeah, yeah, there are BKBs, but if I read right, on map 2 s4 carried and RTZ was in the dumps and on map 3 the other way round. so only one core could basically afford one early enough; only RTZ had one one map 3! That is not enough! | ||
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
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Racket
3023 Posts
On August 07 2015 20:43 Faruko wrote: I mean, rastha solo support has to be the worst pick ever agaisnt earthshaker and storm. Poor kuro, left all alone. | ||
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goody153
44282 Posts
That hero is so fucking awful against storm and unlike sf that hero ain't no natural mek carrier(luna range is also short which a storm can abuse while sf can actually fight back at some portions of the early-midgame due to high damage high range and razes) and even if he brought one that won't save you against storm+ES. The thing is you'd need your team to rally around you half the time if the enemy is aggressive if you wanna farm freely. Guess what you can't with enigma or well SS is ok but he can't turn it around. You need bkb if you wanted to live everytime somebody ganks you and rushing bkb would mean skipping most early game items which you need as well as having a low bkb time later on the game and you are a bkb reliant hero that does not sound good. That's just hero limitation ., Obviously qop can farm easier than luna with storm+ SS on the other team. That's not rocket science that just how the hero works. Thinking that s4 is doing well and rtz is not lol. Obviously s4 should do better he has a hero with better mobility and ability to not get run down. I'm not actually sure if SS and enigma helps if they rally on the back of rtz all the time to prevent him from getting ganked cause both heroes need farm themselves. | ||
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Racket
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On August 07 2015 21:42 goody153 wrote: Idk about you guys but you may not be aware how luna as a hero works . You can't farm that hero alone holy shit have seen that HP ? You think you could just ultimate fight back and that works hell no. A decent team would just disable you half the time and if you take 1-2 level 4 nukes you are almost done and even if you get off the ultimate you have to play defensive the next few minutes until your ultimate is up since the hero is so kitable and squishy. That hero is so fucking awful against storm and unlike sf that hero ain't no natural mek carrier and even if he brought one that won't save you against storm+ES. The thing is you'd need your team to rally around you half the time if the enemy is aggressive if you wanna farm freely. Guess what you can't with enigma or well SS is ok but he can't turn it around. You need bkb if you wanted to live everytime somebody ganks you and rushing bkb would mean skipping most early game items which you need as well as having a low bkb time later on the game and you are a bkb reliant hero that does not sound good. That's just hero limitation ., Obviously qop can farm easier than luna with storm+ SS on the other team. That's not rocket science that just how the hero works. Thinking that s4 is doing well and rtz is not lol. Obviously s4 should do better he has a hero with better mobility and ability to not get run down. I'm not actually sure if SS and enigma helps if they rally on the back of rtz all the time to prevent him from getting ganked cause both heroes need farm themselves. Completely right, the same works for game 3. SF farms so fast and easy that he shames the QoP, more if the QoP has no Agh and the team is getting pressured so hard, SF MUST take all the farm to stop the push. I wasn't flaming RTZ, he had no impact because he was shut down and he had no help from his team, in game 3 s4 did ok and he got picked off or caught out of position twice or three times max. Most of his deaths were during teamfights getting stunned while not being a priority target for Grave. | ||
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goody153
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I feel like at game 3 they aren't just playing well as a team + VP outplaying them. (can't take the credit of VP aggression paid off) | ||
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
even omniknight, maybe lina ? | ||
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goody153
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Racket
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On August 07 2015 22:05 goody153 wrote: I don't think you can actually take all the farm in the map as SF and qop has the ability to farm the more dangerous areas,. They have both done the qop-sf so many times in the past that i've seen them both have high farm on a even game against an enemy, So that should have never been a problem, I feel like at game 3 they aren't just playing well as a team + VP outplaying them. (can't take the credit of VP aggression paid off) It is not that SF took all the farm in the map, he took the small amount that reached their base. You can see how s4 had to go to enemy jungle a few times to find some, and not long after that TPd to defend base. There was not enough farm to share. The map was VPs. | ||
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Corr
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