EPTSince Black Joining tinker ESL was the first tournament that they didn't qualify for, so i'd take that as a huge step forward. Seems that they should be able to qualify easily for Dreamleague, can't wait to watch the games.
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NInoff
Bulgaria1105 Posts
Since Black Joining tinker ESL was the first tournament that they didn't qualify for, so i'd take that as a huge step forward. Seems that they should be able to qualify easily for Dreamleague, can't wait to watch the games. | ||
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Shaella
United States14827 Posts
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xXxUnseenxXx
United States230 Posts
On April 20 2015 11:22 the bear jew wrote: Navi also really changed it up. No undying or Chen for artstyle, no shadow fiend dendi. To be fair Tinker is also not using broken heroes like Sniper, Troll, Nightstalker, etc. | ||
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the bear jew
United States3674 Posts
On April 21 2015 05:59 xXxUnseenxXx wrote: To be fair Tinker is also not using broken heroes like Sniper, Troll, Nightstalker, etc. Tinker could of picked up Sniper either game, if Sniper is so broken maybe they should of picked it. There was no troll in those games and you are the first person I've heard say Nightstalker is broken. | ||
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xXxUnseenxXx
United States230 Posts
On April 21 2015 06:08 the bear jew wrote: Tinker could of picked up Sniper either game, if Sniper is so broken maybe they should of picked it. There was no troll in those games and you are the first person I've heard say Nightstalker is broken. Well I think it shows that TT does not want to run strats that will be nerfed in a couple of weeks. Instead I think winning without those types of picks shows more strength as a team. Nightstalker is Really, really strong in this aggressive meta. | ||
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spudde123
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
getting outdrafted and outplayed so hard... | ||
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xXxUnseenxXx
United States230 Posts
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govie
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On April 22 2015 04:45 govie wrote: so much that needs to improve in this team... sad story actually. most just the support play. once that improves, the team will follow. however, the best and easiest way to improve the support play would be to change the roster (ahem) | ||
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
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Shaella
United States14827 Posts
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fixed_point
Germany4891 Posts
On April 22 2015 05:56 FHDH wrote: I don't think there's been a more consistent problem on this team than Qojqva's inflexibility as a core. Solution is obviously to send Qojqva to China for 2 years and come back as Black 2.0. | ||
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Pyrthas
United States3196 Posts
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josemb40
Peru611 Posts
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
On April 22 2015 09:17 josemb40 wrote: I don't see the team working well with Black^. It's like 2 different teams when they play, they are not playing as a team yet =/ Interesting. I thought they did a lot better when Black^ joined the team. | ||
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Count9
China10928 Posts
On April 22 2015 09:18 FHDH wrote: Interesting. I thought they did a lot better when Black^ joined the team. I argue that has way more to do with PLD allowing Bulba to switch roles than Black, even if PLD performed pretty terrible today. I don't think having Black hurt the team of course, but I don't think that was the difference maker. I mean, if there's a difference. Old Tinker fell apart after losing to Na'vi in finals, but they still qualified for a ton of Lans (in EU bracket as well) before the reform. Even though the end was ugly, they still won $100,000 which is not insignificant for a team that was as young as Tinker. I hope this Tinker doesn't repeat the same mistakes where they qualify and then just fail Lan after Lan. Then again, shouldn't matter, they're almost guaranteed for TI5 unless somehow NAR2 becomes a threat or they can't get NA qualifier invite. | ||
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sweetkay
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On April 22 2015 10:15 Count9 wrote: I mean, if there's a difference. Old Tinker fell apart after losing to Na'vi in finals, but they still qualified for a ton of Lans (in EU bracket as well) before the reform. Even though the end was ugly, they still won $100,000 which is not insignificant for a team that was as young as Tinker. I hope this Tinker doesn't repeat the same mistakes where they qualify and then just fail Lan after Lan. They didn't really qualify for that many. Starladder was legit, but I think D2CL and DreamLeague had the weird qualifiers where only like the bottom 2 or 3 didn't make (including teams pulling out) like they always do. Summit, they didn't even qualify. I think they were like 3rd or 4th in the redemption vote or something, and only got in because a SEA team couldn't get Visas, and the next teams in the votes couldn't go either. Were there any other LANs they went to? (Also, was trying to figure out how they even got close to $100k, holy crap that XMG Captain's Draft got a shit ton of ticket sales). | ||
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xXxUnseenxXx
United States230 Posts
On April 22 2015 15:23 WolfintheSheep wrote: They didn't really qualify for that many. Starladder was legit, but I think D2CL and DreamLeague had the weird qualifiers where only like the bottom 2 or 3 didn't make (including teams pulling out) like they always do. Summit, they didn't even qualify. I think they were like 3rd or 4th in the redemption vote or something, and only got in because a SEA team couldn't get Visas, and the next teams in the votes couldn't go either. Were there any other LANs they went to? (Also, was trying to figure out how they even got close to $100k, holy crap that XMG Captain's Draft got a shit ton of ticket sales). Guys, sometimes things take time to work. Some teams can just swap players (i.e. EG and Secret) and continue to do well because they have amazing leadership (i.e. PPD and Puppey). Give it time, I am not willing to sound the alarm yet with this version of TT. Do they have off days? Yes. Navi was atrociously bad for months, yet everyone was still standing behind them. I understand every sport, game, and competition needs to have a team to "beat up on" and "bash" for apparently no reason. No 1 hyped the team to be top tier yet, as fans we just want to see them improve collectively and become more consistent. I will say that some days they look like they can tango with top tier teams, it was evident by the C9 series and NiP series; however, today was a not so good day. It happens. Lets see how they do at Starladder before we can gauge how they will be or how they play together. LAN tournaments are a whole other ball game and besides didnt they just become a team a month ago? That means they havent been together for that long and are pretty successful all things considered. (Win rate went from 30 % to almost 70%). EDIT: While win rate is not necessarily indicative of success, the previous iteration of TT was losing to Tier 5 teams on a regular, so it is nice to seem them winning series they should win in America. The last iteration of TT lost to Void Boys in a Bo3 for an example. | ||
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