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ForTehDarkseid
8139 Posts
On May 30 2014 00:38 Sabu113 wrote: I hope they fall short before they can take much money from TI. Pretty bizarre defense of racism Prepair to become disappointed than. | ||
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shad2810
Malaysia2682 Posts
On May 30 2014 00:45 opterown wrote: newbee were doing fine in terms of likeability until this recent drama which wasn't even related to racism at all, except that dunderhead admin of mushi's fb page felt like weaving racism into these alleged motivations, which is/was completely untrue. and despite the controversy being cleared up, the damage has been done. standard reddit, sadly Also newbee's ''fake'' twitter admin as well adding up to the oil. | ||
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GodBlessMali
France251 Posts
On May 29 2014 22:55 opterown wrote: i have said this before and i will say it again: reddit exaggerates the drama around hao and banana and any alleged racism. team DK are fan favourites, and in general the community hates anyone who shits on their fan favourites. such an opinion may be held by hao and banana - but it's not an uncommon opinion in china at all. china and indeed most of asia are very nationalistic, and there is a lot of pride on the line. with that in context, it's not surprising that some players in china hold such views. i wouldn't be surprised if a fair few others thought the same. with regard to the recent controversy, it ended up being a misunderstanding from DK that resulted in burning and mushi deleting their weibo tweets. lanm and mushi's fb page also apologised publicly. alas, the public reputation of newbee has been damaged, probably irreparably, due to the rash decisions of burning, mushi, and mushi's fb fanpage, as well as thousands of redditors. I completely agree with you. The so-called Banana and Hao incident was blown out of proportion. I still remember Hao having fun with Dendi at last year's TI. I never got any problem chatting with both of them and Banana even kindly accepted an interview while he was in For Love. As opterown said, DK's fans overreact. Anyway, it was a huge misunderstanding and I hope we can all move on. We have enough drama already. | ||
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GodBlessMali
France251 Posts
On May 30 2014 00:45 opterown wrote: newbee were doing fine in terms of likeability until this recent drama which wasn't even related to racism at all, except that dunderhead admin of mushi's fb page felt like weaving racism into these alleged motivations, which is/was completely untrue. and despite the controversy being cleared up, the damage has been done. Indeed. LGD are now called racists too :S | ||
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AwfuL_
Netherlands6976 Posts
On May 30 2014 00:47 TheYango wrote: I think the term racism is being thrown around a bit too liberally here. All the players involved are ethnic Chinese--it's more nationalism than racism/xenophobia, despite people's eagerness to use those terms. I'm pretty sure calling someone a Malaysian dog counts as xenophobia, not nationalism. Ofcourse that was the previous incident with Banana, not sure if this one is even an incident at all considering the twitter account may not be legit or whatever is always the case with those Chinese teams' twitters... Just how many ''fake' twitters do these teams have anyway? | ||
opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On May 30 2014 01:30 AwfuL_ wrote: I'm pretty sure calling someone a Malaysian dog counts as xenophobia, not nationalism. Ofcourse that was the previous incident with Banana, not sure if this one is even an incident at all considering the twitter account may not be legit or whatever is always the case with those Chinese teams' twitters... Just how many ''fake' twitters do these teams have anyway? well calling someone a Malaysian dog is probably not so different to the shit Peruvians or Russians or whatever else speakers get at times, dota isn't exactly the most welcoming community. and it wasn't unprovoked either, chuan was ragging on Zhou, a friend of banana. | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
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Caladbolg
2855 Posts
That said, NewBee shouldn't lose too many fans out of this (except Hao, who just won't shut up). 1. DK players have apologized/retracted their accusations. 2. Explanations have been given as to the lack of scrims. 3. Regardless of the above, NewBee has the right to decide who to scrim with. 4. If ever the only fault here is that some players jumped the gun/reacted emotionally (looking at Mushi, a little less Burning and Lanm, and c'mon... Hao???) 5. Valve should never interfere in these situtations unless it is already hurting the brand (Dota 2). 6. Perfect World servers should be improved so SEA teams can scrim with China and break down the electronic wall of China. 7. SG, MY, or PH team wins TI5. | ||
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lprk
Poland2249 Posts
On May 30 2014 12:35 Caladbolg wrote: Racism, xenophobia, and discrimination are just incredibly heated topics that get out of hand quite quickly. Add a bit of idolization and you really blow things out of proportion. That said, NewBee shouldn't lose too many fans out of this (except Hao, who just won't shut up). 1. DK players have apologized/retracted their accusations. 2. Explanations have been given as to the lack of scrims. 3. Regardless of the above, NewBee has the right to decide who to scrim with. 4. If ever the only fault here is that some players jumped the gun/reacted emotionally (looking at Mushi, a little less Burning and Lanm, and c'mon... Hao???) 5. Valve should never interfere in these situtations unless it is already hurting the brand (Dota 2). 6. Perfect World servers should be improved so SEA teams can scrim with China and break down the electronic wall of China. 7. SG, MY, or PH team wins TI5. China has firewall, that protects their internet from unwanted content, which adds ping and packet loss, so scriming through that won't ever be good. | ||
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Yamulo
United States2096 Posts
On May 30 2014 08:44 ahswtini wrote: When was the last time a pro flamed a Peruvian or Russian pro in that way? Do you watch any NA dota streams? Some europeans do it too. | ||
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GodBlessMali
France251 Posts
On May 30 2014 12:35 Caladbolg wrote: Racism, xenophobia, and discrimination are just incredibly heated topics that get out of hand quite quickly. Add a bit of idolization and you really blow things out of proportion. That said, NewBee shouldn't lose too many fans out of this (except Hao, who just won't shut up). 1. DK players have apologized/retracted their accusations. 2. Explanations have been given as to the lack of scrims. 3. Regardless of the above, NewBee has the right to decide who to scrim with. 4. If ever the only fault here is that some players jumped the gun/reacted emotionally (looking at Mushi, a little less Burning and Lanm, and c'mon... Hao???) 5. Valve should never interfere in these situtations unless it is already hurting the brand (Dota 2). 6. Perfect World servers should be improved so SEA teams can scrim with China and break down the electronic wall of China. 7. SG, MY, or PH team wins TI5. I think the biggest problem is what the admin of Mushi's Facebook page said. I don't think this drama would have been that big without the racist comments. | ||
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aboxcar
United States447 Posts
Source: http://dota2.sgamer.com/news/201405/156636.html Q: Hello Hao, thank you for accepting the interview. How do you feel about winning MDL? Newbee.Hao: Pretty good~~ this is our first offine victory in newbee. Q: This time around MDL and TI4 prelims. allowed coaches to enter the rooms. Has having 7 coach on site helped? Newbee.Hao: Having a coach present helps a lot, to tell us to keep cool, don't be impetuous, organize your attacks or defenses; the benefit is significant. Q: You had a perfect victory with no losses. What do you feel about the prize pool? How has achieving victory affected you guys? Newbee.Hao: I think the prize pool is pretty high. More importantly, all the Chinese teams attending TI have played a round. Winning has improved our confidence, drafting is smoother because we have faith that everything will be playable. Q: Last year you also won a domestic tournament before TI (DSL) and became favorites to place. What do you think is the difference between this year and last? Newbee.Hao: Well last year the foreign teams were indeed very strong, i.e. Navi and Alliance, even winning tournaments in China. Perhaps we didn't care enough about foreign teams, but after that campaign Chinese teams have become stronger. We treat every team seriously. As it is said, know yourself and know the enemy, a hundred battles a hundred victories. Q: Next up you have WPC playoffs and the universally anticipated TI. How will you prepare? (especially TI) Newbee.Hao: Nothing in particular, just keep practicing. Treat every practice, every match seriously. The most important thing is to treat this game diligently and you will always find breakthroughs. Q: Previously Newbee made some adjustments, recruiting dog brother Sansheng, and many were skeptical. However you have indeed achieved great results, can you shed some light on the adjusments at the time? Newbee.Hao: After KingJ left, we discussed the situation and felt that Banana had already worked well with Sansheng in the past, so we called him back to revive the bromance : )~ Q: Until present, Newbee's rise has perhaps been related to your familiarity with the patch, what do you think about this sentiment? Regarding 6.81, what do you think the key points are? Newbee.Hao: I don't really recognize any patch this patch that. Whatever we think is strong we will pick because we are confident. Like last year's TongFu, as long as you have confidence there's nothing you can't do. Q: Actually there are a lot of international tournaments coming up, but NB didn't perform well enough to qualify. Will this affect your TI4? Newbee.Hao: To an extent, because other teams will go to tournaments and we'll be at the base with no teams to practice with. Tournaments also make a team stronger - practice is like doing homework, competitions are quizzes, and TI is the exam. Q: From founding until now, where has Newbee grown the most? Newbee.Hao: The biggest growth is we trust each other more and won't get anxious. Before, in practice or matches the tone would become very anxious and this led to a lot of losses. Q: In the TI4 qualifier before MDL, the Chinese teams were locked in tight battle, what do you think about these new teams (particularly CIS, who can already attend TI not even a year after founding)? Do you have any suggestions for them? Newbee.Hao: New teams lack experience. Honestly their individual skill and teamwork is not bad, drafting is good too. In practice we often lose to them. My advice is really very simple: Don't try to reach heaven in a single step. If you lose, don't give up. Keep striving and you will become even better. Q: Finally let's chat about something humorous. Recently on your weibo you "officially came out of the closet," what gave you the courage to throw off the world's customs and marry Mu-god? Newbee.Hao: ahaha, it's all jokes. Q: Thank you Lady Hao for accepting our interview, any final words to your fans? Newbee.Hao: Thanks to my fans and friends who have supported me, I won't let you down. | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
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Caladbolg
2855 Posts
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
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lilopuppy
Philippines542 Posts
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Adrian_mx
Mexico1880 Posts
On May 31 2014 13:58 opterown wrote: well they seem to get along spectacularly now so I'm sure if it ever happened it's now resolved hey opter why do you love Newbee so much | ||
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opterown
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