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On May 27 2014 23:02 Existential wrote:
How did this team get so scary....
It's built from the old TongFu which was a quiet achiever over the last few years. Top 4 TI3, top 8 TI2. There lineup is even more stacked now that they've removed their weakest link (imo) KingJ and replaced him with Xiao8 (one of the best captains in China). Plus it helps they'be been playing together this long. Hao, in particular, has improved dramatically over the last few years (being a fairly young player).
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opterown
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hao is legitimately one of the best carries in china and has been so for more than a year. mu seems to have gotten over his inconsistency issues, and he's always been one of the best mids at his peak. banana and sansheng, while not immediately spectacular like fy or lanm, are both solid and won't lose you games
xiao8 has also had enough time to learn how to play around hao and mu, rather than trying to force the tongfu 4 to play under is plan. it was pretty obvious early on that newbee were a bit disjointed; hao and mu would do their thing and xiao8 and the supports would do their thing. now that xiao8 understands the team better, they're more on the same page and things seem to have clicked well. xiao8 himself is unspectacular but he plays a solid offlane role, which is the stable anchor to hao/mu who can get a bit throwy i think.
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On May 27 2014 23:22 opterown wrote:
]throwy
In some ways, Hao reminds me of hvost.
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Sanya12364 Posts
The new meta-strategy is highly geared towards fast aggression.
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How far can TF+director8 go do you think? Hao has the potential to go very high up there and director8 writes some magical script this time around.
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Whatever I'm a Newbee fan now, I give up on C9.
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Sanya12364 Posts
Hao and Mu are probably the best duo in China right now. Xiao8 is no-frills but BBs too quickly. Banana+1 is simply solid and that's really enough as long as you get your strats correctly and the entire team keeps up with the tempo.
But having the high tempo dota is no monopoly so we'll see them win less if other teams can catch on. Being greedy is a death sentence though. So think of any teams that meets that criteria and those teams will be simply be crushed by NewBee. Chinese teams know how to punish greed.
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KingJ shouldnt be a sub  but it's ok NewBee still stronk!
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as long as mu keeps performing they are a serious threat for every team.
hao has games where he just feeds but he is the best carry in china in my opinion. he always excelled at heroes like am, spec, morph but nowadays its looks like xiao8 can draft any hero for him
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opterown
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there are still a few heroes i'd like to see newbee play more e.g. wisp
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Certainly agree with Hao's impact on a team. iG would love to have him back. The fact that DK looked complete lost at the hands of Newbee is just mind blowing. After TI 3 it was DK that dominated WPC, then iG won G league, just as you think DK and iG are above the rest, VG had a surge of success against DK, eliminating them in multiple tournaments. Then LGD came with support midas and dominated for awhile, after Xiao8 left it was DK again clutching SL9 championship title. Now its Newbee's time to shine.This is Chinese doto at its best.
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On May 28 2014 01:10 TRAP[yoo] wrote:
as long as mu keeps performing they are a serious threat for every team.
hao has games where he just feeds but he is the best carry in china in my opinion. he always excelled at heroes like am, spec, morph but nowadays its looks like xiao8 can draft any hero for him
Why no mention of his gyrocopter or naix?
I thought TongFu was one of the teams that first started picking Naix a lot come 6.75
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I think NewBee is the best right now because they're the most stable. The talent is obviously there, but you could easily say that DK, iG, and even VG might "outtalent" NB. Mu and Hao are among the best, but you can't really be carried by 2 people at the highest levels in Dota. This has as much to do with Xiao8's indescribable leadership as Mu and Hao's individual talent. They just play so well as a team.
They also have the most stable drafting, especially for carries. Xiao8 knows how to build a composition that gives the carry as much space as possible, and that's why we see Hao absolutely destroying entire teams.
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On May 28 2014 12:12 Eternalobi wrote:
Certainly agree with Hao's impact on a team. iG would love to have him back. The fact that DK looked complete lost at the hands of Newbee is just mind blowing. After TI 3 it was DK that dominated WPC, then iG won G league, just as you think DK and iG are above the rest, VG had a surge of success against DK, eliminating them in multiple tournaments. Then LGD came with support midas and dominated for awhile, after Xiao8 left it was DK again clutching SL9 championship title. Now its Newbee's time to shine.This is Chinese doto at its best.
DK won G-league, not iG, and VG's dominant run was before both the WPC and the G-league finals. Not sure when you think LGD was dominating, but I definitely can't remember it.
Short periods of shaky play aside, DK has been on top of the Chinese scene since TI3. Which makes Newbee's current record against them even more impressive, even if DK hasn't been playing their best.
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opterown
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VG and DK have a more flashy support duo, but I'd say hao and mu are one of the best 1/2 pairings in china and xiao8 is taking to his new offlane role well, he's probably the most stable offlaner lately. i don't think iG or VG out-talent NB as a whole, DK probably does but they're not gelling so well lately
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Bit random, but on the topic of Newbee's supports not being flashy: Remember that inexplicable series of C9 feeds vs Newbee that basically lost them the game? All made possible by an incredibly timely centaur stomp from Banana that cancelled Sing's TP. He would've been the first to tp back and with the aegis, he would probably have turned the fight.
(I still don't like Newbee though. Curse anyone who beats DK. )
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opterown
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18-0 winstreak, facing iG or C9 next in a BO3 semi-finals!
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On May 28 2014 12:42 opterown wrote:
VG and DK have a more flashy support duo, but I'd say hao and mu are one of the best 1/2 pairings in china and xiao8 is taking to his new offlane role well, he's probably the most stable offlaner lately. i don't think iG or VG out-talent NB as a whole, DK probably does but they're not gelling so well lately
iG is still the same iG that took TI2 by storm minus Zhou plus Luo (which could be seen as a bit of a minus). Chuan and Faith are still superstar supports playing below their standard (Faith especially). YYF was considered one of the best, if not the best player in the world right at TI2. Ferrari is Ferrari, probably the most consistently high-level solo mid in Dota 2 apart from Dendi.
VG is no slouch either, with Sylar (IMO still a better carry than Hao on most traditional carries), Super (once feared more than Ferrari post TI2), RoTK (feeds or wins), and Fy-Fenrir (the second coming of Chuan-Faith).
It's not that I don't believe in NB, but it's more that I believe they represent a team thriving on the whole being greater than the sum of their parts. Their impeccable teamwork and methodical aggression are really miles above anyone else's currently, but once VG and iG, and to a lesser extent DK, sort out their kinks and weaknesses, I don't think NB will dominate as much.
We'll see how this unfolds more as they progress in WPC. Interestingly enough, if they get DK in the finals, they're probably the favorites, but if they get VG, they probably aren't considering their records (though NB did win the most recent game).
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On May 28 2014 12:35 Orome wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 12:12 Eternalobi wrote:
Certainly agree with Hao's impact on a team. iG would love to have him back. The fact that DK looked complete lost at the hands of Newbee is just mind blowing. After TI 3 it was DK that dominated WPC, then iG won G league, just as you think DK and iG are above the rest, VG had a surge of success against DK, eliminating them in multiple tournaments. Then LGD came with support midas and dominated for awhile, after Xiao8 left it was DK again clutching SL9 championship title. Now its Newbee's time to shine.This is Chinese doto at its best. DK won G-league, not iG, and VG's dominant run was before both the WPC and the G-league finals. Not sure when you think LGD was dominating, but I definitely can't remember it. Short periods of shaky play aside, DK has been on top of the Chinese scene since TI3. Which makes Newbee's current record against them even more impressive, even if DK hasn't been playing their best.
LGD were undefeated through D2L. Not sure if it counts as domination but certainly impressive.
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You guys are really on the bandwagon for newbee.. they'll get back to tier 2 soon enough
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