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On May 29 2014 08:38 Adrian_mx wrote: You guys are really on the bandwagon for newbee.. they'll get back to tier 2 soon enough you're just mad 
also it's not recommend that you come into a discussion thread with the express purpose of bashing on a team or fans of that team
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On May 28 2014 14:25 Orome wrote:Bit random, but on the topic of Newbee's supports not being flashy: Remember that inexplicable series of C9 feeds vs Newbee that basically lost them the game? All made possible by an incredibly timely centaur stomp from Banana that cancelled Sing's TP. He would've been the first to tp back and with the aegis, he would probably have turned the fight. (I still don't like Newbee though. Curse anyone who beats DK.  ) Banana and Sansheng are two of the oldest currently-active DotA players and have been playing support for an extremely long time.
I don't expect flashy plays from them, but I expect perfect management of the more subtle aspects of play (ward placement, overall sense of their own development, etc.). The younger support players like VG's will have more visibly impactful plays, but that by no means makes them more valuable players than Newbee's veteran supports.
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On May 29 2014 08:41 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 08:38 Adrian_mx wrote: You guys are really on the bandwagon for newbee.. they'll get back to tier 2 soon enough you're just mad  also it's not recommend that you come into a discussion thread with the express purpose of bashing on a team or fans of that team
I bring facts later on.. jeez and youre right I shall prove to you and all the fan boys when newbee loses to DK in the WPC
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good thing i'm not an insufferable DK hater then, otherwise i might do worse things to you ;p
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On May 29 2014 16:00 opterown wrote: good thing i'm not an insufferable DK hater then, otherwise i might do worse things to you ;p
hehe true ;p love you though opt
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i hope newbee aren't too distracted by the drama and can focus on their upcoming games...
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I could not support a team whose members are well-known racists in the dota2 scene. How do some of you fans feel about Hao and xiao8, or do you just don't care and cheer on for NB?
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Hao is a prick, but he plays so well >
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i have said this before and i will say it again:
reddit exaggerates the drama around hao and banana and any alleged racism. team DK are fan favourites, and in general the community hates anyone who shits on their fan favourites. such an opinion may be held by hao and banana - but it's not an uncommon opinion in china at all. china and indeed most of asia are very nationalistic, and there is a lot of pride on the line. with that in context, it's not surprising that some players in china hold such views. i wouldn't be surprised if a fair few others thought the same.
with regard to the recent controversy, it ended up being a misunderstanding from DK that resulted in burning and mushi deleting their weibo tweets. lanm and mushi's fb page also apologised publicly. alas, the public reputation of newbee has been damaged, probably irreparably, due to the rash decisions of burning, mushi, and mushi's fb fanpage, as well as thousands of redditors.
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Oh wow what a turn around.
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>the public reputation of newbee has been damaged, probably irreparably plz opretown, you are making it sound like DK were villians right here, when all they did is reacted naive. At least I want to continue thinking there wasn't any ill intentions by both sides..
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i don't think DK had negative intentions at all, but there's no denying there will be a lot more newbee hate after this
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Hate is such a strong word, man, Some people just dislike them for different reasons, but that's it.
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On May 29 2014 22:55 opterown wrote: i have said this before and i will say it again:
reddit exaggerates the drama around hao and banana and any alleged racism. team DK are fan favourites, and in general the community hates anyone who shits on their fan favourites. such an opinion may be held by hao and banana - but it's not an uncommon opinion in china at all. china and indeed most of asia are very nationalistic, and there is a lot of pride on the line. with that in context, it's not surprising that some players in china hold such views. i wouldn't be surprised if a fair few others thought the same.
What exactly are you trying to say? Asian cultures tend to be xenophobic so this matter is trivial even if it is true because every Asian team probably hates foreigners? Your other line of defense (from the DK thread) is that this has been true for as long as the Chinese scene existed why make a big deal about it now. As someone who just got exposed to these teams it kinda puts me off them. I hope they fall short before they can take much money from TI.
Pretty bizarre defense of racism. Just because it's common doesn't make it palatable.
Also their supposed (Linked but deleted) tweets really don't help.
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opterown
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that twitter is not the newbee twitter, it's atrociously run, you shouldn't take anything away from it. too late now, I guess...
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It's a bit unfortunate that the strongest team is also one of the least liked. Could make for an upsetting TI4
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On May 30 2014 00:42 Laurens wrote:It's a bit unfortunate that the strongest team is also one of the least liked. Could make for an upsetting TI4  It's more unfortunate that a team can so rapidly become "one of the least liked" over misinformation and misunderstanding.
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newbee were doing fine in terms of likeability until this recent drama which wasn't even related to racism at all, except that dunderhead admin of mushi's fb page felt like weaving racism into these alleged motivations, which is/was completely untrue. and despite the controversy being cleared up, the damage has been done.
On May 30 2014 00:44 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2014 00:42 Laurens wrote:It's a bit unfortunate that the strongest team is also one of the least liked. Could make for an upsetting TI4  It's more unfortunate that a team can so rapidly become "one of the least liked" over misinformation and misunderstanding. standard reddit, sadly
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I think the term racism is being thrown around a bit too liberally here. All the players involved are ethnic Chinese--it's more nationalism than racism, despite people's eagerness to use the term.
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