Newbee Discussion

On May 25 2014 23:53 opterown wrote:
any other particularly notable newbee/tongfu games come to mind?

On May 25 2014 23:48 TRAP[yoo] wrote:
vote for hao in the 1v1 tournament

On May 26 2014 02:51 lilopuppy wrote:
Yeah, I think this is one of those tourney's that "don't count". Unless they win ESL, WPC, or maybe even TI4, people are just gonna say that the other chinese teams we're just "holding back".

Sorry, but they don't have the respect(or fanboyism) DK has yet, that they could flat out sandbag a tournament and people still say they're the best team in the world. NewBie still needs to earn their wings.

On May 26 2014 06:36 writer22816 wrote:
So Newbee's "officlal" chinese name is 新兵? lmao

On May 27 2014 01:30 TanGeng wrote:
Sansheng can't play in WPC Too bad for NB in WPC

On May 27 2014 08:15 Dubzex wrote:
Why can't sansheng play?

On May 27 2014 08:15 Dubzex wrote:
Why can't sansheng play?

On May 27 2014 09:10 ChicagoTed wrote:
They seems to have a good chimestry(finally), solid games, solid executions, the part i like the most is that they are in some way a TongFu 2.0, just with a new captain, i'm sure xiao8 will guide them to the top.

On May 27 2014 13:34 Adrian_mx wrote:
NewBee is showing alot of improvement, probably tied up with VG, but definetly not at par with DK

On May 26 2014 09:45 TheEmulator wrote:
Google translate says "recruit". Is that right?

On May 27 2014 19:17 ahswtini wrote:
Well apparently it can mean 'awesome' too, but I've only seen it used in a derogatory context

On May 27 2014 19:17 ahswtini wrote:
Well apparently it can mean 'awesome' too, but I've only seen it used in a derogatory context

On May 27 2014 23:02 Existential wrote:
How did this team get so scary....

On May 27 2014 23:22 opterown wrote:
]throwy

On May 28 2014 12:12 Eternalobi wrote:
Certainly agree with Hao's impact on a team. iG would love to have him back. The fact that DK looked complete lost at the hands of Newbee is just mind blowing. After TI 3 it was DK that dominated WPC, then iG won G league, just as you think DK and iG are above the rest, VG had a surge of success against DK, eliminating them in multiple tournaments. Then LGD came with support midas and dominated for awhile, after Xiao8 left it was DK again clutching SL9 championship title. Now its Newbee's time to shine.This is Chinese doto at its best.

On May 28 2014 12:42 opterown wrote:
VG and DK have a more flashy support duo, but I'd say hao and mu are one of the best 1/2 pairings in china and xiao8 is taking to his new offlane role well, he's probably the most stable offlaner lately. i don't think iG or VG out-talent NB as a whole, DK probably does but they're not gelling so well lately

On May 28 2014 12:35 Orome wrote:


DK won G-league, not iG, and VG's dominant run was before both the WPC and the G-league finals. Not sure when you think LGD was dominating, but I definitely can't remember it.

Short periods of shaky play aside, DK has been on top of the Chinese scene since TI3. Which makes Newbee's current record against them even more impressive, even if DK hasn't been playing their best.

On May 29 2014 08:38 Adrian_mx wrote:
You guys are really on the bandwagon for newbee.. they'll get back to tier 2 soon enough

On May 28 2014 14:25 Orome wrote:
Bit random, but on the topic of Newbee's supports not being flashy: Remember that inexplicable series of C9 feeds vs Newbee that basically lost them the game? All made possible by an incredibly timely centaur stomp from Banana that cancelled Sing's TP. He would've been the first to tp back and with the aegis, he would probably have turned the fight.

(I still don't like Newbee though. Curse anyone who beats DK. )

On May 29 2014 08:41 opterown wrote:

you're just mad

also it's not recommend that you come into a discussion thread with the express purpose of bashing on a team or fans of that team

On May 29 2014 16:00 opterown wrote:
good thing i'm not an insufferable DK hater then, otherwise i might do worse things to you ;p

On May 29 2014 22:55 opterown wrote:
i have said this before and i will say it again:

reddit exaggerates the drama around hao and banana and any alleged racism. team DK are fan favourites, and in general the community hates anyone who shits on their fan favourites. such an opinion may be held by hao and banana - but it's not an uncommon opinion in china at all. china and indeed most of asia are very nationalistic, and there is a lot of pride on the line. with that in context, it's not surprising that some players in china hold such views. i wouldn't be surprised if a fair few others thought the same.

On May 30 2014 00:42 Laurens wrote:
It's a bit unfortunate that the strongest team is also one of the least liked. Could make for an upsetting TI4

On May 30 2014 00:44 TheYango wrote:

It's more unfortunate that a team can so rapidly become "one of the least liked" over misinformation and misunderstanding.

On May 30 2014 00:38 Sabu113 wrote:
I hope they fall short before they can take much money from TI.
Pretty bizarre defense of racism

On May 30 2014 00:45 opterown wrote:
newbee were doing fine in terms of likeability until this recent drama which wasn't even related to racism at all, except that dunderhead admin of mushi's fb page felt like weaving racism into these alleged motivations, which is/was completely untrue. and despite the controversy being cleared up, the damage has been done.


standard reddit, sadly

On May 29 2014 22:55 opterown wrote:
i have said this before and i will say it again:

reddit exaggerates the drama around hao and banana and any alleged racism. team DK are fan favourites, and in general the community hates anyone who shits on their fan favourites. such an opinion may be held by hao and banana - but it's not an uncommon opinion in china at all. china and indeed most of asia are very nationalistic, and there is a lot of pride on the line. with that in context, it's not surprising that some players in china hold such views. i wouldn't be surprised if a fair few others thought the same.

with regard to the recent controversy, it ended up being a misunderstanding from DK that resulted in burning and mushi deleting their weibo tweets. lanm and mushi's fb page also apologised publicly. alas, the public reputation of newbee has been damaged, probably irreparably, due to the rash decisions of burning, mushi, and mushi's fb fanpage, as well as thousands of redditors.

On May 30 2014 00:45 opterown wrote:
newbee were doing fine in terms of likeability until this recent drama which wasn't even related to racism at all, except that dunderhead admin of mushi's fb page felt like weaving racism into these alleged motivations, which is/was completely untrue. and despite the controversy being cleared up, the damage has been done.

On May 30 2014 00:47 TheYango wrote:
I think the term racism is being thrown around a bit too liberally here. All the players involved are ethnic Chinese--it's more nationalism than racism/xenophobia, despite people's eagerness to use those terms.

On May 30 2014 01:30 AwfuL_ wrote:


I'm pretty sure calling someone a Malaysian dog counts as xenophobia, not nationalism. Ofcourse that was the previous incident with Banana, not sure if this one is even an incident at all considering the twitter account may not be legit or whatever is always the case with those Chinese teams' twitters...

Just how many ''fake' twitters do these teams have anyway?

On May 30 2014 12:35 Caladbolg wrote:
Racism, xenophobia, and discrimination are just incredibly heated topics that get out of hand quite quickly. Add a bit of idolization and you really blow things out of proportion.

That said, NewBee shouldn't lose too many fans out of this (except Hao, who just won't shut up).

1. DK players have apologized/retracted their accusations.
2. Explanations have been given as to the lack of scrims.
3. Regardless of the above, NewBee has the right to decide who to scrim with.
4. If ever the only fault here is that some players jumped the gun/reacted emotionally (looking at Mushi, a little less Burning and Lanm, and c'mon... Hao???)
5. Valve should never interfere in these situtations unless it is already hurting the brand (Dota 2).
6. Perfect World servers should be improved so SEA teams can scrim with China and break down the electronic wall of China.
7. SG, MY, or PH team wins TI5.

On May 30 2014 08:44 ahswtini wrote:
When was the last time a pro flamed a Peruvian or Russian pro in that way?

On May 30 2014 12:35 Caladbolg wrote:
Racism, xenophobia, and discrimination are just incredibly heated topics that get out of hand quite quickly. Add a bit of idolization and you really blow things out of proportion.

That said, NewBee shouldn't lose too many fans out of this (except Hao, who just won't shut up).

1. DK players have apologized/retracted their accusations.
2. Explanations have been given as to the lack of scrims.
3. Regardless of the above, NewBee has the right to decide who to scrim with.
4. If ever the only fault here is that some players jumped the gun/reacted emotionally (looking at Mushi, a little less Burning and Lanm, and c'mon... Hao???)
5. Valve should never interfere in these situtations unless it is already hurting the brand (Dota 2).
6. Perfect World servers should be improved so SEA teams can scrim with China and break down the electronic wall of China.
7. SG, MY, or PH team wins TI5.

On May 31 2014 13:58 opterown wrote:
well they seem to get along spectacularly now so I'm sure if it ever happened it's now resolved

On May 31 2014 13:53 DucK- wrote:
Was all the commontions of Hao bedding Mu's girl back then in ti2 or ti3 (can't remember which) which led to internal conflicts in tongfu just a rumour?

On June 05 2014 13:06 opterown wrote:
yeah i think xiao8 is playing a brilliant offlane, i'm surprised cos he wasn't all that impressive as a mid (at least mechanically)

On June 05 2014 13:06 opterown wrote:
yeah i think xiao8 is playing a brilliant offlane, i'm surprised cos he wasn't all that impressive as a mid (at least mechanically)

On June 21 2014 01:47 opterown wrote:
so 4-4 at the end of the day. not as good as i'd've liked, newbee should work on their lategame and playing the close games i think, they could have won any of the four games they lost.

On June 26 2014 01:33 Les Lau wrote:
Top 4 is not good enough,

If playing to full potential Nb TI4 should get at least Top 3

On June 26 2014 01:47 duckmaster wrote:


If they play to their full potential 1st place wouldn't surprise me. But so much of it comes down to nerves I guess

There are mini pre-TI interviews out from the 6 Chinese teams. Here's Newbee's (Props to them for having the only one I can fully understand)

Thoughts going into TI
xiao8: Valve thought we showed promise, and on the basis of each player's prior individual performances, Valve inviting us was inevitable.
xiao8(again): [We will] try hard to play well, try hard to get good results to repay everyone's support.
banana: We will work our hardest and bring the title of TI4 champion back to China...

(Original Video)

On July 07 2014 08:50 aboxcar wrote:
is it just me or does that not look like sansheng

On July 07 2014 08:54 TRAP[yoo] wrote:

you are correct. its their coach sydm

..hoping for 4-1 or 5-0 on day 1!

On July 09 2014 19:11 opterown wrote:
good to hear, I hope hao has sorted out any girlfriend drama or whatever and back into godlike form

On July 09 2014 19:45 Elyvilon wrote:

That's what you get for being a fan of one of the true favorites of the tournament

On July 11 2014 02:58 opterown wrote:
history is irrelevant and hardly a good predictor of results, especially when liquid isn't close to the same team, and how hold that was

On July 11 2014 14:40 Les Lau wrote:
Valve is very unprofessional & unfair in preparing the group match

Obviously teams that need to play 10 matches, are in disadvantage over teams who only play 8.

On July 11 2014 14:52 HighTimeDotA wrote:
too much ego, these kids need to grow up. stop making the chinese look bad kkthx.

On July 11 2014 16:57 opterown wrote:

hey, so speaks the iG fan, whose team is much more known for infighting and egos rofl

On July 11 2014 18:27 ahswtini wrote:

Hey at least iG don't have the worst jingoists in their team.

On July 11 2014 19:04 opterown wrote:

eh it's just the most publicised, you might be surprised at the general attitude of most chinese teams, players and fans, this nationalism is prevalent in all of east/south-east asia. there's a lot of dirt on almost everyone, this is just the one that's the most well known. for example, DK is rumoured to be a front for a drug ring, which isn't exactly respectable. it's also a bit rich when the SEA fans who are the most offended by the controversy half a year ago are also part of very nationalistic countries and tendencies themselves.

On July 11 2014 19:31 TrainSamurai wrote:


Rumours are rumours. Newbie has done some retarded shit. e.g Going on weibo and publicly calling people malaysian dogs should not be tolerated. Just because someone else has done worse doesn't make it ok.

That was done by banana if anyone is curious.

On July 11 2014 19:33 opterown wrote:

even with that counter-example, i think it was in retaliation to chuan offending banana's friend, zhou, by calling him a burden. sure he could have chosen different insults, but it wasn't something random or unprovoked.

and while yes, rumours are rumours, the impression i get is that it's fairly widely known and not denied, and a drug ring is certainly of more concern than nationalism or xenophobia

On July 11 2014 19:31 TrainSamurai wrote:


Rumours are rumours. Newbie has done some retarded shit. e.g Going on weibo and publicly calling people malaysian dogs should not be tolerated. Just because someone else has done worse doesn't make it ok.

That was done by banana if anyone is curious.

EDIT: ok he didn't specifically name a person when he did that. He was very vague about who his statement was aimed at.

Two wrongs do not make a right. Considering the attitude of communist countries towards drugs either these rumours are not true or the owner of DK is ridiculously connected...

Ya, why I don't see as many ppl complain when Arteezy Tweeted Slayed the Chinese

This remark itself is 100 times more Racist, and Deserved Serious Respond from Valve & Dota Community

On July 11 2014 22:44 Les Lau wrote:


Ya, why I don't see as many ppl complain when Arteezy tweeted Slayed the Chinese

This remark itself is 100 times more Racist, and Deserved Serious Respond from Valve & Dota Community!

On July 11 2014 19:49 lprk wrote:

There were dozens of worse tweets by western players, with your logic most of western scene shouldn't be tolerated too.

On July 11 2014 20:40 Caladbolg wrote:
Let's not beat on a dead horse - the xenophobia issues are passe, the non scrim issues were disproven... But now what the heck is this i hear about internal (physical) fighting? Any info on who's involved? Reddit claimed it was between hao and xiao8. Do they have any history of bad blood? This will either wake them up (and lead to a top 3 finish) or break them imo.

On July 11 2014 22:51 Les Lau wrote:


Is it Ok in the future...

If another Racist player Tweet: Slay the Whites, or Kill the Jews??

On July 11 2014 19:51 opterown wrote:
eh if those attitudes are a concern for you, you probably should hate 95% of chinese teams, fans, personalities and players (at least the ones in mainland china) because i assure you many share the same sentiments. nationalism, xenophobia, racism, whatever you call it. just go onto any chinese forum and you'll see netizens flaming everyone for everything, and that most anti-nationalism flamers aren't mainland chinese but rather foreign chinese speakers.

newbee's case is just the most well-publicised to the western world, in part because hao is one of the most outspoken chinese players. i myself am south east asian (vietnamese) and am well aware of such attitudes, but it's just part of their upbringing and culture, while western countries are more politically correct. and even then, it's not exactly uncommon for western players/personalities/fans to portray similar attitudes too.

On July 11 2014 16:57 opterown wrote:

hey, so speaks the iG fan, whose team is much more known for infighting and egos rofl

On July 12 2014 02:08 HighTimeDotA wrote:
and how chuan called zhou a burden. zhou knew he was the burden, theres a reason hes retired now and only casting cuz he knows his days are over. speaking ones mind is very different from just flaming/actual fighting.

On July 12 2014 06:09 yotis wrote:
How did NB play against NaVi.us?

On July 12 2014 01:23 opterown wrote:
yeah and EG refused DK scrims as well i heard rofl

and in terms of dead horses this entire argument is done over all the time, we don't get anything that changes anyone's opinions if you're already set on believing what you already do

On July 12 2014 11:11 beifru wrote:


EG went 4 - 1 against DK in scrims.

Dunno where u heard your stuff from.

On July 12 2014 11:19 aboxcar wrote:


Chinese forums said 71 gave an interview and said EG stopped playing with DK.. but I haven't seen this "interview" itself. I think rumors are that liquid played a lot with dk

On July 12 2014 11:22 opterown wrote:
tomorrow gonna be tough

newbee probably make top 10, small chance of top 6 if tiebreakers go well or something

please don't drop out and use the next few days to sort out the internal issue zzz

On July 15 2014 09:17 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
opterown posted this in the LR thread but i didn't see it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJ9mm4k5EbY