On May 20 2014 00:28 yyfpulls wrote: When people said Koreans win TI5 I laughed it off but now the fear of Korean invasion is real, very real. And what did MVP do so right that Zephyr didn't? Was it the Korean practice regime?
Yeah, I'm still not buying this 'Korean invasion' narrative. MVP has improved a lot and surprised people in the qualifiers, but only because they performed so poorly in past. I'd say that they're still significantly worse than tier 2 teams in the west nevermind the tier 2 teams in China.
Honestly, people are riding this 'Koreans are superior gamers' idea way too hard. If MVP were a South American team, I highly doubt its performance would convince people that South America was about to take over the world of Dota.
On May 20 2014 00:28 yyfpulls wrote: When people said Koreans win TI5 I laughed it off but now the fear of Korean invasion is real, very real. And what did MVP do so right that Zephyr didn't? Was it the Korean practice regime?
Yeah, I'm still not buying this 'Korean invasion' narrative. MVP has improved a lot and surprised people in the qualifiers, but only because they performed so poorly in past. I'd say that they're still significantly worse than tier 2 teams in the west nevermind the tier 2 teams in China.
Honestly, people are riding this 'Koreans are superior gamers' idea way too hard. If MVP were a South American team, I highly doubt its performance would convince people that South America was about to take over the world of Dota.
Except for the very few, I think nobody actually believes in the Korean Invasion yet.
The Hype right now comes not from their current skill or game, but their fast improvement in a relatively small amount of time.
This a very big achievement for KR Dota, SEA has incredibly skilled players. KR had nothing a year ago.
You guys have to keep in mind that it's kinda easy to get where MVP is currently in terms of skill. Now is the hard part, where they have to break through tier2 teams on international stage.
Many teams have reached that level, very, very few have transcended it. I hope they will do it though! <3
On May 20 2014 03:58 Steveling wrote: You guys have to keep in mind that it's kinda easy to get where MVP is currently in terms of skill. Now is the hard part, where they have to break through tier2 teams on international stage.
Many teams have reached that level, very, very few have transcended it. I hope they will do it though! <3
Sure ezpz lemon squeezy. U sure love 2 bash koreans .
On May 20 2014 03:58 Steveling wrote: You guys have to keep in mind that it's kinda easy to get where MVP is currently in terms of skill. Now is the hard part, where they have to break through tier2 teams on international stage.
Many teams have reached that level, very, very few have transcended it. I hope they will do it though! <3
Yeah me too. I think I like more the prospect of having a 3rd strong scene than anything else. If SEA becomes a 4th, or integrates with KR or CH, that would also be amazing.
Unless something changes dramatically they wont at this TI. Thats not important though, its what they do afterwards is key. Like I said before, they got the stability but the question is can they improve their drafts, expand their hero pools, and understand that the not so little mistakes they are doing in game will be punished against top teams.
They're pretty much only team I watch with some semblance of care still, so heres to improvement.
On May 20 2014 00:28 yyfpulls wrote: When people said Koreans win TI5 I laughed it off but now the fear of Korean invasion is real, very real. And what did MVP do so right that Zephyr didn't? Was it the Korean practice regime?
Yeah, I'm still not buying this 'Korean invasion' narrative. MVP has improved a lot and surprised people in the qualifiers, but only because they performed so poorly in past. I'd say that they're still significantly worse than tier 2 teams in the west nevermind the tier 2 teams in China.
Honestly, people are riding this 'Koreans are superior gamers' idea way too hard. If MVP were a South American team, I highly doubt its performance would convince people that South America was about to take over the world of Dota.
I think it's mostly BW fans who grew up to be Dota 2 fans who really want to see the Koreans succeed. It sort of makes my seeing Dota 2 as the spiritual successor of BW seem right if Korea is dominating this game too.
I dunno how other people feel, but this is how I see things. Hopefully we can keep seeing MVP improve, and hopefully along with them, some other Korean teams emerge too!
On May 20 2014 03:58 Steveling wrote: You guys have to keep in mind that it's kinda easy to get where MVP is currently in terms of skill. Now is the hard part, where they have to break through tier2 teams on international stage.
Many teams have reached that level, very, very few have transcended it. I hope they will do it though! <3
Yeah me too. I think I like more the prospect of having a 3rd strong scene than anything else. If SEA becomes a 4th, or integrates with KR or CH, that would also be amazing.
i think one of the best options for SEA for making a real professional scene lies in korea, not china.
On May 20 2014 03:58 Steveling wrote: You guys have to keep in mind that it's kinda easy to get where MVP is currently in terms of skill. Now is the hard part, where they have to break through tier2 teams on international stage.
Many teams have reached that level, very, very few have transcended it. I hope they will do it though! <3
Yeah me too. I think I like more the prospect of having a 3rd strong scene than anything else. If SEA becomes a 4th, or integrates with KR or CH, that would also be amazing.
i think one of the best options for SEA for making a real professional scene lies in korea, not china.
Korea has no scene. And the reason that SEA is weak is because their best players leave for China because they virtually all of them are ethnic Chinese and most can speak Chinese.
On May 20 2014 03:58 Steveling wrote: You guys have to keep in mind that it's kinda easy to get where MVP is currently in terms of skill. Now is the hard part, where they have to break through tier2 teams on international stage.
Many teams have reached that level, very, very few have transcended it. I hope they will do it though! <3
Yeah me too. I think I like more the prospect of having a 3rd strong scene than anything else. If SEA becomes a 4th, or integrates with KR or CH, that would also be amazing.
SEA is already 'integrated' with CH. Tier 1 SEA players going to CH, Tier 2 CH teams competing in SEA online tournaments and Tier 1 SEA competing in CH LANs.
On May 20 2014 20:13 ahswtini wrote: Did they change the lift-cliff interaction? I swear many of those lifts aren't possible anymore.
I think they patched it basically around the time that video came out, but there was a time where you could still cliff people by clicking past the cliff.
On May 20 2014 00:28 yyfpulls wrote: When people said Koreans win TI5 I laughed it off but now the fear of Korean invasion is real, very real. And what did MVP do so right that Zephyr didn't? Was it the Korean practice regime?
Yeah, I'm still not buying this 'Korean invasion' narrative. MVP has improved a lot and surprised people in the qualifiers, but only because they performed so poorly in past. I'd say that they're still significantly worse than tier 2 teams in the west nevermind the tier 2 teams in China.
Honestly, people are riding this 'Koreans are superior gamers' idea way too hard. If MVP were a South American team, I highly doubt its performance would convince people that South America was about to take over the world of Dota.
Well I didn't really mean that Korea would start completely dominating every region. I don't see that happening if ever. I don't buy into the whole Korean eSports supremacy either though they do have the top infrastructure.
But MVP landing 2nd in the qualifiers is something no one expected. That they beat out established SEA teams is quite the feat considering how people were making fun of "Korean doto" 6 months ago.
Since MVP made it to TI for wildcard quals, who will they scrim with? They really need to scrim with higher tier teams if they want to make it to the main event
On May 20 2014 00:28 yyfpulls wrote: When people said Koreans win TI5 I laughed it off but now the fear of Korean invasion is real, very real. And what did MVP do so right that Zephyr didn't? Was it the Korean practice regime?
Yeah, I'm still not buying this 'Korean invasion' narrative. MVP has improved a lot and surprised people in the qualifiers, but only because they performed so poorly in past. I'd say that they're still significantly worse than tier 2 teams in the west nevermind the tier 2 teams in China.
Honestly, people are riding this 'Koreans are superior gamers' idea way too hard. If MVP were a South American team, I highly doubt its performance would convince people that South America was about to take over the world of Dota.
I think it's mostly BW fans who grew up to be Dota 2 fans who really want to see the Koreans succeed. It sort of makes my seeing Dota 2 as the spiritual successor of BW seem right if Korea is dominating this game too.
I dunno how other people feel, but this is how I see things. Hopefully we can keep seeing MVP improve, and hopefully along with them, some other Korean teams emerge too!
I personally like them because of when Demon was in Korea and he was streaming. Made me a fan of Reisen and the team.
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