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On May 13 2015 06:50 Zea! wrote:
Having two called bans everygame should be a strength for [A], not a weakness, it gives you the opportunity to pick whatever you want for 4 players...
Maybe not if the one targeted player does not have the required impact.
I heard people saying that Niqua was the space maker and now it has to be Loda, but if Bulldog's NP is banned and his remaining pool has no impact then Bulldog was a downgrade.
On May 13 2015 07:03 Hoenicker wrote:
Loda never was that great and now he's too old...
Last game I saw from Alliance was with Niqua still on the team and Loda on Centaur, and I have never seen Loda play that well in a long time.
I am not sure Loda is the problem here. They achieved a pretty good synergy before taking Bulldog again. Hopefully they will find it again.
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Everyone on alliance has to step up. They only function well when teams give them drafts that they like. When they don't get those drafts, they play so bad and end up eith a desperate futile attempt to delay the game via rat.
Good teams are capable of winning through pure out skill. Alliance has not shown that they are able to do so unless they get NP.
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Everyone so eager to blame Bulldog, but I don't know. His play seems okay, which is more than could be said for Niqua most games. Somewhat weak play across the board and sketchy drafts seems more like the problem to me, which could very well just be them not having adjusted to the patch yet.
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On May 13 2015 06:50 Zea! wrote:
Having two called bans everygame should be a strength for [A], not a weakness, it gives you the opportunity to pick whatever you want for 4 players...
Beating the dead horse, if two called bans reduce the opponent team's capability to 4.5v5 then I consider it as a weakness. I am an [A] hater thou.
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I do not undestadn how one have to blame buldog, he has as minimum 4 heroes with he extrimelly good on:
LD, NP, Clock and bat. I do not see mach problems with his BM play, one thin one myght say thta on BM he take too mach farm for hero thta can not have that big impact anyway. But thta is drafting problem, not him as a player.
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On May 13 2015 16:34 Dysisa wrote:
Everyone so eager to blame Bulldog, but I don't know. His play seems okay, which is more than could be said for Niqua most games. Somewhat weak play across the board and sketchy drafts seems more like the problem to me, which could very well just be them not having adjusted to the patch yet.
On May 13 2015 16:53 Mutineer wrote:
I do not undestadn how one have to blame buldog, he has as minimum 4 heroes with he extrimelly good on:
LD, NP, Clock and bat. I do not see mach problems with his BM play, one thin one myght say thta on BM he take too mach farm for hero thta can not have that big impact anyway. But thta is drafting problem, not him as a player.
Maybe because after he joined they didn't show any good (or better) performances aside from his NP. And their overall level seems to have dropped (Loda as an example).
I can't say it myself because I only saw both games against NaVi and they won those but with NP tho.
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So they have put Bulldog on alot of support heroes like Shaker and Beastmaster. When he is probably their best carry player. I hope Bulldog don't get bored and quits again. They should put him on carries like natures prophet and lone druid already.
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Alliances opponents always ban out NP and LD isn't good enough to get picked
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there's another problem even if both heroes make it through .. while NP is quite flexible , LD however is a situational pick .. not always good
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hmm anything need good for teamwork skill 
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On May 13 2015 23:27 MidnightFox wrote:
So they have put Bulldog on alot of support heroes like Shaker and Beastmaster. When he is probably their best carry player. I hope Bulldog don't get bored and quits again. They should put him on carries like natures prophet and lone druid already.
If you watch him stream you can see he enjoys ES ALOT when he gets to play it , also Beastmaster is very strong in this patch for now , and every team runs it , it also a very intensive micro hero that can make alot of plays, and as the rest here said , NP is banned all the time against them.
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Bulldog is their offlaner. i dont see him underperforming. i think its Loda's game stepping down. and maybe pajjkat. i dont see him as a dominating mid players.
alliance has always played the TRI-CORE draft(3carries). but thier past games. they play Dual-Core with bulldog handling a utility hero. i think its good. if he masters the beastmaster on the offlane. it will be much of help.
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Lol Alliance. I don't know what to say anymore. Time to realize the fat lady has sung.
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Their drafts are really weird. Centaur as a carry, LD as offlaner, picking prophet so many times, etc... How many times have the top 3 teams at the summit 3 picked NP, how many times they picked LD, how many times they picked centaur or slardar?
Their draft is just bullshit. They barely pick the standard heroes of this patch and even when they do its usually with some silly combination.
For example the drow strat they picked weaver as offlane, like wtf? Even against a PL. They had 3 cores all single target and couldn't deal with the PL. No visage pickup, no bristeback or clock with that draft, it was just weirdness.
All that plus Pajkatt is really terrible, like I haven't seen him win the mid lane against anyone or any hero. He even lost as QoP vs Leshrack.
I compare his QoP or SF to S4's or Arteezy's or Super's or ferrari's and its crap.
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BillGates, with all due respect you're kind of talking out of your ass.
Yes, their picks are slightly unconventional, but by what standard does that make a team bad? You pick heroes to suit the style you want to play. There are very few heroes in this patch (or game overall) that are plain bad/should never be picked.
You could turn the entire argument on its head by saying Loda was playing a ton of Slardar in 6.83 and kind of popularized the pick, which now is seen a lot more frequently.
The game with Weaver that you are refering to was quite a bad draft yes; their gameplan of shutting down the UD/Tombstone and pushing backfired and they got pushed by Lesh/BM instead. But if you actually watched the game you'd know that Weaver was pretty much their saving grace that game. Altering the draft slightly and picking Akke's hero 4th and saving the Weaver pick for last could have made a world of difference, rather than picking Weaver 4th and letting Malaysia counterpick with a Beastmaster.
And your note about Pajkatt losing mid as QoP vs Leshrac: Yes, that did happen, but largely due to an unfavorable lvl 1 clash where Malaysia got both bounty runes and forced Pajkatt to spend a lot of regen before the creeps even spawned.
It's so fu**ing easy to say "pff, Team X picked that hero and lost and because they lost that player sucks" etc.
[A] are obviously still struggling to find their style and coordination, but I have faith in that they know what they're doing because when they're on, they're ON. Just needs a bit (or a lot) of refinement. See game 2 vs Malaysia for example.
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On May 22 2015 20:58 BillGates wrote:
Their drafts are really weird. Centaur as a carry, LD as offlaner, picking prophet so many times, etc... How many times have the top 3 teams at the summit 3 picked NP, how many times they picked LD, how many times they picked centaur or slardar?
Their draft is just bullshit. They barely pick the standard heroes of this patch and even when they do its usually with some silly combination.
For example the drow strat they picked weaver as offlane, like wtf? Even against a PL. They had 3 cores all single target and couldn't deal with the PL. No visage pickup, no bristeback or clock with that draft, it was just weirdness.
All that plus Pajkatt is really terrible, like I haven't seen him win the mid lane against anyone or any hero. He even lost as QoP vs Leshrack.
I compare his QoP or SF to S4's or Arteezy's or Super's or ferrari's and its crap.
Nothing wrong in picking centaur or NP if it fits the style of the team. It is actually bad if all you do is follow the meta. It doesn't reflect well on both the drafter and the team.
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On May 22 2015 21:12 GinNtoniC wrote:
BillGates, with all due respect you're kind of talking out of your ass.
Yes, their picks are slightly unconventional, but by what standard does that make a team bad? You pick heroes to suit the style you want to play. There are very few heroes in this patch (or game overall) that are plain bad/should never be picked.
You could turn the entire argument on its head by saying Loda was playing a ton of Slardar in 6.83 and kind of popularized the pick, which now is seen a lot more frequently.
The game with Weaver that you are refering to was quite a bad draft yes; their gameplan of shutting down the UD/Tombstone and pushing backfired and they got pushed by Lesh/BM instead. But if you actually watched the game you'd know that Weaver was pretty much their saving grace that game. Altering the draft slightly and picking Akke's hero 4th and saving the Weaver pick for last could have made a world of difference, rather than picking Weaver 4th and letting Malaysia counterpick with a Beastmaster.
And your note about Pajkatt losing mid as QoP vs Leshrac: Yes, that did happen, but largely due to an unfavorable lvl 1 clash where Malaysia got both bounty runes and forced Pajkatt to spend a lot of regen before the creeps even spawned.
It's so fu**ing easy to say "pff, Team X picked that hero and lost and because they lost that player sucks" etc.
[A] are obviously still struggling to find their style and coordination, but I have faith in that they know what they're doing because when they're on, they're ON. Just needs a bit (or a lot) of refinement. See game 2 vs Malaysia for example.
You pick heroes that suit you to win, if you don't win those heroes they don't suit you. There is a reason why certain heroes are picked more than other, its because they are better.
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yes in thta game weaver was the only hero that keep them alive for some time. Theoretically centavr can dominate, as i do not believe you need to double adge main hero, any illusion will do. But he need to win lane and get blink fast.
Game 2 was solid, with DK pick, so I will not call them hopeless. Buldog perfomance on phoenix was phenominal.
But some loda desisions were questionable, like all team dead, loda go in one on 4?? get 4 heroes crash and die. I was like wtf???? Bit every one make wrong desision time from time and game were probably lost anyway.
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On May 22 2015 22:32 BillGates wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 21:12 GinNtoniC wrote:
BillGates, with all due respect you're kind of talking out of your ass.
Yes, their picks are slightly unconventional, but by what standard does that make a team bad? You pick heroes to suit the style you want to play. There are very few heroes in this patch (or game overall) that are plain bad/should never be picked.
You could turn the entire argument on its head by saying Loda was playing a ton of Slardar in 6.83 and kind of popularized the pick, which now is seen a lot more frequently.
The game with Weaver that you are refering to was quite a bad draft yes; their gameplan of shutting down the UD/Tombstone and pushing backfired and they got pushed by Lesh/BM instead. But if you actually watched the game you'd know that Weaver was pretty much their saving grace that game. Altering the draft slightly and picking Akke's hero 4th and saving the Weaver pick for last could have made a world of difference, rather than picking Weaver 4th and letting Malaysia counterpick with a Beastmaster.
And your note about Pajkatt losing mid as QoP vs Leshrac: Yes, that did happen, but largely due to an unfavorable lvl 1 clash where Malaysia got both bounty runes and forced Pajkatt to spend a lot of regen before the creeps even spawned.
It's so fu**ing easy to say "pff, Team X picked that hero and lost and because they lost that player sucks" etc.
[A] are obviously still struggling to find their style and coordination, but I have faith in that they know what they're doing because when they're on, they're ON. Just needs a bit (or a lot) of refinement. See game 2 vs Malaysia for example. You pick heroes that suit you to win, if you don't win those heroes they don't suit you. There is a reason why certain heroes are picked more than other, its because they are better.
By that logic, every team would be drafting the same heroes over and over, executing pretty much the same strategies always. Sounds like drafters with little flexibility and being unable to think for themselves. Not every mid laner have the same hero pool and play style. Same goes for all other positions. I disagree with picking only from 'better heroes' pool. There is no one best strategy, and every hero has their weaknesses and strengths.
And even if your logic is correct, if you have been watching recent alliance games with prophet, they have been doing very well with it. So in your sense they picked prophet because it suited them.
Your approach to drafting is such a lazy way of drafting in which you rely on and copy other teams' strategies.
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On May 22 2015 23:34 Mutineer wrote:
Game 2 was solid, with DK pick, so I will not call them hopeless. Buldog perfomance on phoenix was phenominal.
Half the shiva into dive timings Bulldog did he hit 0 heroes with shiva due to timing it wrong. Played well outside of that.
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