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On April 17 2016 15:28 DucK- wrote:
Alliance not following the meta is fine. If it worked, you all will be saying that they are pioneering a new style too. Look at how MVP introduced pl as a counter to invoker mid?
I actually have respect that alliance are trying to implement their own strategies. I just find it strange that they are blatantly ignore NP, and insisting on bulldog beast.
I agree, fuck meta heroes, they just make the game boring. Hope they keep finding their own meta, the Warlock/Naix/LC picks were really interesting, they have to believe what they're doing and work hard on it.
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On April 17 2016 19:42 Zea! wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 15:28 DucK- wrote:
Alliance not following the meta is fine. If it worked, you all will be saying that they are pioneering a new style too. Look at how MVP introduced pl as a counter to invoker mid?
I actually have respect that alliance are trying to implement their own strategies. I just find it strange that they are blatantly ignore NP, and insisting on bulldog beast. I agree, fuck meta heroes, they just make the game boring. Hope they keep finding their own meta, the Warlock/Naix/LC picks were really interesting, they have to believe what they're doing and work hard on it.
I by no means try to say OG got lucky, but the margins certainly wasn't on A's side the games they failed. If 2-3 ganks wudve worked game 1,who knows the outcome. The same can be said about game 3. Some cool picks that really cud have worked, but OG heroes making it out with 1-3% on several ocations. This happens tho, but it really felt bad watching those minor differences impact the game so much. A actually did very well first 5 min in game 3.
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I'm completely fine with Alliance playing their own style. It's one of the reasons I cheer for them.
I kinda get the feeling s4 hasn't been as hardcore in practice recently but well what do I know. What do you think guys?
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ye, they aren't tryharding really much lately, Dong stopped his quest to 8k and played a lot with s4+Nara, Akke streamed other games and chilled out with friends a lot, Loda and EGM trained a lot and i think they were the best A players in this tournament... hope this lackluster result will bring 'em all more motivation to do better :D
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On April 18 2016 00:06 Zea! wrote:
ye, they aren't tryharding really much lately, Dong stopped his quest to 8k and played a lot with s4+Nara, Akke streamed other games and chilled out with friends a lot, Loda and EGM trained a lot and i think they were the best A players in this tournament... hope this lackluster result will bring 'em all more motivation to do better :D
Akke has never been known to practice a lot of Dota 2 pubs. He plays skrims etc but I don't think he does much on time that isn't team practice.
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Starladder has been a great event so far tho. Little to no downtime, and the analyst desk doesn't over do things or try to poop out content. So far the amount of between-games-content is just perfect for the break.
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Tough situation for alliance now. Every thing points at A not getting an invite for the major, so they need to qualify. Probably a good thing because they need more games. The bad tho, is that it will probably be the most stacked qualifier to a major or TI yet. EU is producing some really crazy dota atm and A has to go through Navi, OG, VP, Vega, Empire, spirit, to mention a few. I can't remember a qualifier this stacked...
Not getting an invite is therefor probably the same as missing the major. Not saying A can't make it through the qualifiers, but odds are against it with so many teams having a good chance to steal the slots.
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looking in at the tournament from akke's perspective, this was their ticket to manila.
there's no way they don't practice hard for this.
whether it was effective or not, i guess not, but they will be the first people to know firsthand.
what was it, falling 1-2 to OG? it's hard to know what would have happened.
if there's anything i doubt about alliance it is that they don't play emulated styles and instead play heroes that even on paper seem a little shaky. puck might be good in certain situations for example, but it's obvious enough that their lanes have to have purpose as well as flexibility, lest we see 15+ minute blinks and a very heavy and desperate burden.
as for akke himself, he says that he doesn't like ranked so much and much prefers scrims.
however, he does play ranked pubs. it's not as though he refuses them. practice is practice.
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Anyone knows the date for invites?
I actually don't care if A get's an invite or not. An invite secures another Major before TI! Top 6 there is a good way to get into TI and not a longshot by any means. But it overall feels like A needs more games. So qualifier will be tense as fuck, and tense means more beer watching those games. Beer guuuuud.
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so there's epicenter coming up. the large prizepool LAN. that is one month before manila, which precedes ESL ONE.
i'd say there's a good chance it factors into the invite list.
i'm a little confused because it looks like it's an 8-team tournament, but they've got 6 invites and 4 qualifiers.
so they're sending teams to play? or playing online for the 4 qualified teams to eliminate to 8 before group stages start. a little awkward. a qualifier to get a chance to play a smaller qualifier in order to qualify into the main event.
i'll highly doubt that they'll send teams there for those elim games, notably COL and FNATIC, before the main event starts because it would just be a big waste of money and time for everyone involved.
anyway, alliance has to do well at epicenter against the best of the west.
the important thing to note, i feel, is that alliance would probably still make it out of the manila qualifiers if they had to participate.
you know what, scratch all that, because the qualifiers for manila start right before epicenter.
there's no way direct invites don't go out within the next week if that's the case.
T-Spirit, no diggity, navi, alliance, 2 spots for grabs.
but first, the open qualifier, then groupstage in order to play a double-elim bracket with 4/10 teams remaining.
and like epicenter, the top 2 are your regional qualified teams for the manila major.
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A little alarming that he is still hopeful regarding an invite to the Manila major. I don't think there is any chance of that happening now. They won those tournaments when the patch was new. It is clear that other teams have now found their playstyle in this patch and are currently better than Alliance. They should now devote all their focus towards getting through a very hard qualifier.
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S4 playing Ember on Stream, would be cool if hed play him in tournaments :D
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s4 streaming 8k games is so cool. Also he and Bulldog were just in a game together was super cool :D
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Vatican City State1573 Posts
surprise !
[A] got an invite..
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Any alliance fan here feel the team got lucky with the invite?
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On April 27 2016 16:24 DucK- wrote:
Any alliance fan here feel the team got lucky with the invite?
I do. But IMO there are other reasons why Alliance keeps getting invited apart from having won WCA and SL13. Maybe I'm wrong but I feel that they bring a lot of audience to events with their huge fanbase.
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On April 27 2016 16:54 HeYmaney wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2016 16:24 DucK- wrote:
Any alliance fan here feel the team got lucky with the invite? I do. But IMO there are other reasons why Alliance keeps getting invited apart from having won WCA and SL13. Maybe I'm wrong but I feel that they bring a lot of audience to events with their huge fanbase.
I feel that while they, as with og, definitely deserve more than the likes of VP/empire/Vega etc, they have not done enough since their win in January to make an undisputable claim to the spot.
Still being alliance, I'd think they have what it takes to put on a strong showing in manila and not embarrass themselves. If a team is to go out, at least put up a fight and I believe alliance is capable of it.
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Well, considering that Valve invited 12 teams this time, I feel like Alliance's invite was warranted and not in any way lucky.
However, that Valve would choose to invite four extra teams could possibly be considered a stroke of luck. I do not consider Alliance top 8 seed at this time 
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On April 27 2016 16:24 DucK- wrote:
Any alliance fan here feel the team got lucky with the invite?
No not at all. If they'd made it to top 8 and only 8 invites I'd felt it was lucky, and even unfair. But with 12 invites I cant see any other team that could take their place. If valve wanted 12, A's invite is not lucky at all.
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