EPTNo idea why, but its not that hard to guess I suppose. This was a rumor for a while, but we got a confirmation from their CEO in an interview last year (or earlier this year, cant remember) and he said something along the lines of fans dont believe in him nor do the players. So I guess they see him as someone who isnt good enough and wont get better.
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FreakyDroid
Macedonia2616 Posts
No idea why, but its not that hard to guess I suppose. This was a rumor for a while, but we got a confirmation from their CEO in an interview last year (or earlier this year, cant remember) and he said something along the lines of fans dont believe in him nor do the players. So I guess they see him as someone who isnt good enough and wont get better. | ||
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FreakyDroid
Macedonia2616 Posts
https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/8s84zi/navi_general_about_navi_and_vega_results/ + Show Spoiler + https://twitter.com/generalqw/status/1009028162691485696 Quick translate: "I'm laughing at @NAVIHarisPilton and @VegaAlexey (Na'Vi and Vega CEOs). You have weak players in your teams - that led to this results. You should blame players in first place and you can't say "we tried" - people on 1.5k mmr "are trying" too but only the greatest ones reach the top" Na'Vi CEO commented it: Quick translate: "seriously, Vitya - you just can't say this in a way you said it, but I agree with what you said. We will talk about it later." | ||
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its_a_me
Austria612 Posts
So the question is will there be pizza before or after TI? @nVme I guess because of all the hype around him, plus he is untouchable inside navi, they make a shit ton of money with his fame. Scrolling through his tweet, ramzes approves and some pointed out he spoke from navi in third person as if it wasnt his team and lil did the same yesterday in an interview with vilat i smell lot of good old cis drama coming. | ||
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Sapaio
Denmark2037 Posts
Not that i have followed Navi closely but the open qualifiers is the worst i have seen them, it was really bad. So seems like the need rebuild. My suggestion would be put Dendi in managerial role of some sort, and build whole new team or around Crystalize. | ||
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its_a_me
Austria612 Posts
"@NAVIHarisPilton and @ VegaAlexey))). You have weak players in the teams - that's the result. In all the losses, players are primarily to blame, and as for "tried" - this is not excuse, at 1.5k people also try, but only one reaches the vertices." and he talks over tritter directly to the 2 CEOs here is the answer "and if seriously Vitya - the form in which you express your thoughts is not very acceptable and as for me familiar. But in fact I will agree. At home we'll talk" | ||
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Conjurusrex2002
46 Posts
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Racket
3023 Posts
Edit: A somewhat acceptable change for NaVi would be another roster, something like NaVi.old with Dendi +4 and NaVi with a complete new roster. Just saying. | ||
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Archeon
3266 Posts
On June 21 2018 00:40 Racket wrote: Lets take into account the management decided long ago (Pajkatt/Biver/rnM-) that the players would not choose anymore who they play with and they would be making the rosters instead from then on. Maybe General is referencing that, or maybe not. Edit: A somewhat acceptable change for NaVi would be another roster, something like NaVi.old with Dendi +4 and NaVi with a complete new roster. Just saying. VP gets a rebranding to Navi since that name is probably still worth more. | ||
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Racket
3023 Posts
On June 21 2018 03:48 Archeon wrote: the problem isnt what he said, but how. He could have said that he played badly and is going to take responsibility, but telling the public that your boss is a fool for making excuses for your and your co-workers shitty results is just asking to get fired. VP gets a rebranding to Navi since that name is probably still worth more. Yes, I got it from the translation. The thing is, I don't know. If VP wins TI8, you can already forget it. And VP getting rebranded to NaVi will never be accepted by the fans. Is a bold move to attract somewhat new dota2 fans. But the fact is that most of the community will reject it completely. | ||
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Archeon
3266 Posts
That being said, it's definitely imaginable that with the one owner one club rule in the next circuit the Navi-brand just gets dropped. Also the part about general was more generally meant to the people who say they are sad he's going to suffer consequences. | ||
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RubickPicker
United States332 Posts
On June 21 2018 21:08 Archeon wrote: That being said, it's definitely imaginable that with the one owner one club rule in the next circuit the Navi-brand just gets dropped. Esforce or whatever it's called doesn't own Navi anymore, and they still have CS etc so it's questionable how much a rebrand is worth. And the "one owner" rule does not apply to the whole circuit, it's just for TI. Owners with multiple teams can send all of them to majors and minors and make more money that way if they choose, but only one goes to TI. | ||
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joe_ringmaster
Austria44 Posts
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sqiphd Just with the auto-goggle translate you can get the main message: Dendis answers to several points like "he earns tons of money with NaVi" or "he is too old" or "he does not let any young players get a stage in Dota" and so on. He still enjoys playing mid, it was a rough year and maybe to much matches. He is still dedicated and as long he has fun, Dendi will go on. No clear message, if he will stay in the roster any longer - NaVi will post update tomorrow: | ||
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FreakyDroid
Macedonia2616 Posts
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Alpino
Brazil4390 Posts
On June 22 2018 04:27 FreakyDroid wrote: I kinda stopped reading from the tweetlong post as soon as he went on to say that how people can hate him when they dont know him. Well why people love you when they dont know you? So he wants to be praised when he does well, but doesnt like to be criticized heat when he isnt doing well? lol Dendi, can't have it both ways, I dont care what you have to say after that, keep wearing your heart on the sleeve and you'll get far. More childish than wanting to have it both ways is to dismiss someone completely because you disagree about one point | ||
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FreakyDroid
Macedonia2616 Posts
On June 22 2018 13:11 Alpino wrote: More childish than wanting to have it both ways is to dismiss someone completely because you disagree about one point I guess you could say that. But lets look at it from another angle, lets say you start discussing the universe, gravity and laws of physics with someone and that persons states right from the get go that the Earth is flat. Would you listen to anything he has to say beyond that point? I wouldn't. If that makes me a child, then so be it. | ||
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Racket
3023 Posts
On June 22 2018 18:40 FreakyDroid wrote: I guess you could say that. But lets look at it from another angle, lets say you start discussing the universe, gravity and laws of physics with someone and that persons states right from the get go that the Earth is flat. Would you listen to anything he has to say beyond that point? I wouldn't. If that makes me a child, then so be it. You could say to Dendi "you can hate someone for being a good person and you can love someone for being a bad person. It is up to you who you love and who you hate and why. Dendi, you are being an idealist and it might not let you see things for what they really are". As idealist as he seems to be, he is giving everything he has got and it possible is enough from his point of view, the haters on the others hand see only success as enough, thus they hate him. He is probably too good to be able to even realize most people are not and cannot comprehend how they think/act. Alpino is right, and you are using the worst example possible to make a point. Relationships and human behavior are not scientific laws (even tho they are subjected to actual laws), cannot be explained with a paradigm and everything about it cannot be subjected to tests because it would require to break human rights aside from many other variables that are next to impossible to control/manage. The closest possible topic you can use would be a discussion about good and bad, would stop after the other one says something like being selfish is a bad thing? --- I read everything and it is all too vague, no big info on anything. Just that he is not there for the money. | ||
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FreakyDroid
Macedonia2616 Posts
So I went ahead and read it and no surprise, its all apologetic explanations and it all comes from his victim mindset. So yeah while you and the other guy may think my example isnt valid, it proved valid to me because just like I wouldnt listen to a flatearther about physics because his opinions are derived from fallacies, Dendi's opinions are also derived from a fallacy, so I dont value them at all. That's why he wrote so much and said so little. And no worries, you are a known Dendi apologist, so I don't expect you to agree with me anyways. | ||
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Racket
3023 Posts
On June 22 2018 22:03 FreakyDroid wrote: But thats the thing, the love/hate that celebrities like Dendi receive is all superficial, none of it is real. No one really loves him and no one really hates him (except people close to him that he knows personally like family close friends etc, but Im talking about the fans/haters), its just something that goes along with being a famous person. He says that he constantly asks himself the question why people hate him. That is a victim mindset that wont get him anywhere. Its the wrong thing to focus on. So if he focuses on that on a daily basis as he says, his opinions have little value to me. I know I'm being very rude how I express my opinions about this, but I've been through a victim phase myself and I despise that version of me. So I went ahead and read it and no surprise, its all apologetic explanations and it all comes from his victim mindset. So yeah while you and the other guy may think my example isnt valid, it proved valid to me because just like I wouldnt listen to a flatearther about physics because his opinions are derived from fallacies, Dendi's opinions are also derived from a fallacy, so I dont value them at all. That's why he wrote so much and said so little. And no worries, you are a known Dendi apologist, so I don't expect you to agree with me anyways. I am known for that? Wow. Not hating Dendi when the whole team does bad doesn't seem so wrong to me. Blaming it all on him does. People asking him to retire like it would magically solve NaVi's problems is short sighted. Like I said, he is an idealist and thus cannot understand pessimists and haters. I feel he just wanted to reach out and share he cannot understand such people while also saying he is not there for the money. That is of course not enough. People just want results. If NaVi disbanded last year and signed lets say Team Spirit or Vega. People would still be angry because NaVi would still be shit. Period. The only way to please the masses would have been for them to sign VP which is impossible. Is there any other solution? Not short term. They have to find a captain or raise one. That is the end of it. Lets kick Dendi and take the time to find/raise a captain... you can already see the grim horizon. Such events would never last long enough to actually achieve something or maybe they are bloody lucky and do it in a month that then ends up in NaVi winning a second TI. Sure. | ||
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FreakyDroid
Macedonia2616 Posts
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joe_ringmaster
Austria44 Posts
He is talking about decisions, about putting all dota stuff inactive for the next 2 months, about 2 ways of building another roster, about Dendis message and about haters. Enjoy. | ||
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