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nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
June 29 2018 02:06 GMT
#5241
sad day though... i'll change my badge to wherever he ends up... to me Dendi is Dota 2
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
midou
Profile Joined April 2008
Bulgaria1168 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-29 16:19:31
June 29 2018 16:16 GMT
#5242
Dendi standing in for Vega vs ex Penta atm. He is also listed for Vega in LP @ (Wiki)BTS Summer Cup
Conjurusrex2002
Profile Joined March 2018
46 Posts
June 29 2018 19:09 GMT
#5243
I’m a huge Na’vi fan and I can’t confidently say that if Dendi leaves my allegiance to the team won’t shift to wherever he goes for the most part. Strange scenario.
FreakyDroid
Profile Joined July 2012
Macedonia2616 Posts
June 29 2018 22:38 GMT
#5244
Didn't watch the games but I see they lost...
Smile, tomorrow will be worse
midou
Profile Joined April 2008
Bulgaria1168 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-01 07:21:48
July 01 2018 07:18 GMT
#5245
They are still in loser bracket after beating Mega-Lada.

Decent laning and farming from Dendi followed by signature falling off late game vs Penta.

Doesn't help that Vega's supports are "questionable at the best". I assume that's what General was talking about in his tweet.
FekY
Profile Joined February 2012
Serbia55 Posts
July 02 2018 13:30 GMT
#5246
Dendi is doing it ! vs singularity
ForTehDarkseid
Profile Joined April 2013
8139 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-08 22:18:20
July 08 2018 21:14 GMT
#5247
I think honestly Dendi said it himself in his letter (he is a very honest guy, at least, props to him)

He is conservative, he doesn't want to change from a mid position, he is passive and doesn't have a leadership qualities required at a pro level. In my opinion, NaVi fans are completely right when they put a major blame on Dendi: his attitude is completely 2012-based. Current dota changes so rapidly, if you aren't willing to change, you are out - tight competition, limited resources, etc. And Dendi thinks he can keep his status quo and a high level skills set - sorry dude, this isn't even working out in pubs.

He wants to play proDota solely as a Mid player. He doesn't want to play proDota to WIN AT ALL COSTS. And he thinks he is a decent teammate - and think that public opinion leaders (casters, analysts, whatever) made him a scapegoat because they are ENVY (well, thats what haters always do!) Problem is that dota was/is always a team game.Who cares how much you work at your game and how much NaVi pay you if you don't win your games? Sadly, no one. It's professional sports, not charity. And you should know when to retire (at least from your current position) - people can't cherish you fully as a legend you undoubtedly are, when you are acting as a hindrance.

If there is a need of justification of "hate", I'd give you one. Resolution, Iceberg, No[O]ne, fn!, Nix, yoky, - this list only contains an established pro players and it is still huge asf - all of them could have at some point of their career come to NaVi and lead team to a new victories if they were allowed to play mid. Instead Dendi stayed in his zone of comfort, and, and after all those years at the bottom, team didn't even make out of the open quals. Don't know much about his in-game personality, but he is a shiity teammate for that whole reason.

Bluntly speaking, no need to be friends with velheor, for example, because he is not even remotely good and you lost access even to decent players long ago. No "lack of captainship or team spirit" excuse, it is plainly the lack of raw skill. People can call me Dendi/NaVi hater all day long, but I don't know any other player who acted remotedly close to this and that's something - people were begging to rebuild NaVi team around Sonneiko years ago. (who solely brought NaVi on his back to their last TI, both as a captain/drafter/support player) and now if they don't rebuild around Crystallize, NaVi's dota team after being Dendi's playhouse for 3+ years is finally dead.

I wonder if there is any other team who will take him as a mid after that..


I think their strategy is to dumpster bad Western teams (c) uriel
FreakyDroid
Profile Joined July 2012
Macedonia2616 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-09 07:38:28
July 09 2018 07:32 GMT
#5248
Well, he was blamed for many things, like kicking people, taking huge portion of the money etc. I personally didnt believe any of that, nor I've ever criticized him for those things. But I do agree that his stubbornness to stay mid is what hurt him the most and its why he gets the most blame, so while he didnt want anyone kicked, he also prevented other, more skilled mid players to join NaVi. Thats why NaVi was the slowest team to develop and retain new talent, except Crystalyze and perhaps an argument can be made about Rodjer, but he was a developed player before he joined NaVi.

The CIS qualifiers for TI showed that there's plenty of talent there, CIS teams impressed me the most out of all the other regions, so there's a good chance some of those teams or some players might end up on NaVi. At least that's what Im hoping for.
Smile, tomorrow will be worse
NerdiS
Profile Joined July 2018
1 Post
July 09 2018 09:02 GMT
#5249
--- Nuked ---
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
July 09 2018 10:20 GMT
#5250
On July 09 2018 06:14 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
Resolution, Iceberg, No[O]ne, fn!, Nix, yoky, - this list only contains an established pro players and it is still huge asf - all of them could have at some point of their career come to NaVi and lead team to a new victories if they were allowed to play mid.


He is stubborn, we agree. But.. explain to me how any of those non-captain players would have led NaVi to victories. Because with them a captain would have agreed to join NaVi as well, maybe?
Are any of those that good, just to give one example, that they could have carried rMN-, Biver, Pajkatt and General?

IMHO, No[O]ne is the only arguably better skilled player of the list, aside from him the only player who saw success was Resolution, while not playing mid anymore, in a patch that favored him, his hero pool and playstyle, and after that he became once again just another player out there.
lxginverse
Profile Joined May 2008
Monaco1506 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-01 15:29:15
September 01 2018 15:29 GMT
#5251
What do you guys think about the new roster with sonneiko captaining as 5 and crystallize staying as carry? The new mid would be Magical? Honestly never heard of him before.
fromis_9 enjoyer
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
September 01 2018 16:22 GMT
#5252
On September 02 2018 00:29 lxginverse wrote:
What do you guys think about the new roster with sonneiko captaining as 5 and crystallize staying as carry? The new mid would be Magical? Honestly never heard of him before.


I would have more faith in any sonneiko team over a dendi led one. If dendi as a teammate is an obstacle to a succcesful team, then I'm fine with him gone.

Its been a good many years. I still believe dendi has what it takes to be successful again as a mid. Just bad luck and poor captaincy. But I'm proud of the credibility navi 2016 showed despite their ultimate choke at ti. Winning the summit was so great as a fan. All the best.
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
September 01 2018 17:43 GMT
#5253
This was coming but i never thought it would hurt so much
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
September 01 2018 19:41 GMT
#5254
Oh
No
It's here
The feels
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
September 01 2018 19:57 GMT
#5255
I've been scarcely following Na'Vi past couple years
But now I'll just stop, they're gonna be nothing but a random T2 CIS stack
I wish Dendi the best of luck, but if he isn't willing to switch to a 3 like all old school style mids like Fata, S4 have done he is just done for and should retire.
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
September 01 2018 23:44 GMT
#5256
Following Dendi wherever he ends up. Dondo is Doto.
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
YBBUB
Profile Joined September 2018
70 Posts
September 02 2018 03:01 GMT
#5257
I thought the Navi video explaining the roster moves was really well done, never seen any org give reason for everything
FreakyDroid
Profile Joined July 2012
Macedonia2616 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-02 10:01:54
September 02 2018 10:00 GMT
#5258
I hope Dendi sees this as a chance to reinvent himself. Perhaps with all the pressure now gone, he can make a come back.

As for the new squad: Im actually happy with these players, Crystalize and Sonneiko had good success, the only one Im not so sure about is Blizzy, IIRC he played mid for Vega and I wasnt too impressed with his plays. But he is playing offlane for NaVi so maybe he can do better in that position. I've watched MagicaL a few times before on DotaTV and he seemed like a very good player, I think he can do well with the right team.

Good luck to them!
Smile, tomorrow will be worse
MetalMercury
Profile Joined January 2015
United States1161 Posts
September 03 2018 02:45 GMT
#5259
On September 02 2018 19:00 FreakyDroid wrote:
I hope Dendi sees this as a chance to reinvent himself. Perhaps with all the pressure now gone, he can make a come back.

As for the new squad: Im actually happy with these players, Crystalize and Sonneiko had good success, the only one Im not so sure about is Blizzy, IIRC he played mid for Vega and I wasnt too impressed with his plays. But he is playing offlane for NaVi so maybe he can do better in that position. I've watched MagicaL a few times before on DotaTV and he seemed like a very good player, I think he can do well with the right team.

Good luck to them!


Blizzy was offlane for Vega as well; lots of Batrider and Beastmaster in his hero pool.
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
September 03 2018 17:34 GMT
#5260
You know what??
Scratch that
I hope Dendi does retire.... Now hold on keep your torches at home....
To become a full-time English streamer
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
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