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Racket
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On October 22 2017 00:56 Xurr wrote: Dendi needs to improve his midgame first and foremost. Every game he has a good or even very good early game and throws it all away with weird positioning. Honestly, that's less on Dendi and more on the support play. Like it's incredibly dumb that the matches they lost against both mineski and thunder can be basically be boiled down to ganks from poor warding. Vision is a big problem and Crystallize got stranded on an island. To their credit, they played better this time around when that happened. But they need to fix that. | ||
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Racket
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The scene has gotten really hard these last few years. They need to keep playing against teams from other regions even if they lose. Edit: Do not forget that NaVi getting 0 points in Minors/Majors means NaVi is in the same situation as always: waiting for the TI8 quals to get there the usual way. | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
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the bear jew
United States3674 Posts
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On October 23 2017 07:42 nayumi wrote: Warding is a huge issue for Navi from what I can see. Navi lacks that true position 5 who can take a step back and not worry about scoring kills for the team, but instead looking at the map and identifying the risks. I find both of Navi support to be great at ganking and team fight but fail to play the true "support" role. I have the same thoughts. Sonneiko seems to be unable to play the true 5. It almost seems like he is pressured to make things happen. | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
On October 23 2017 13:13 DucK- wrote: I have the same thoughts. Sonneiko seems to be unable to play the true 5. It almost seems like he is pressured to make things happen. And I think his skillset and age do not suit a true 5 role either. Most successful true 5 that I know are generally more mature (i.e older) like Kuro, PPD or (recent) Puppey and so on. He's too young and hot blooded to not try and make play. A typical Navi loss is follow: 1. Opponent drafts a safe & objective-based line up 2a. Navi supports try to make play with their aggression and end up feeding too many kills or leave their cores unguarded and counter-ganked which leads to losing towers/buildings or 2b. Navi supports can't play aggressively and are left dumbfounded because they have no idea what to do next, where to ward, when to check Roshan .etc 3. Navi loses Edit: I'm not saying their supports are the only problem but in my view having a working support duo is 60-70% of a team's success. Even if you could replace Dendi with Sumail I don't think their results would be much different. | ||
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RubickPicker
United States332 Posts
I wish for better warding and I wish Dendi didn't need quite so much assistance in lane. I get why they lane swap the sides but wonder if it happens too often. | ||
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Bisu-Fan
Russian Federation3336 Posts
 I remember he would sometimes have games where he'd be 40/30 and a good 1.5 levels ahead of the other midlaner | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
On November 01 2017 05:22 Bisu-Fan wrote: Hoping Dendi can start dominating mid lanes again with his denies I remember he would sometimes have games where he'd be 40/30 and a good 1.5 levels ahead of the other midlaner well the mid match up is no longer the traditional 1v1 like we used to know i find mid match up nowadays relies less on the actual mid player doing well (apart from farming of course) but more on the support creating enough space and making room for the mid player to farm and grow.. pos 2 used to define if a team wins or loses, it is now pos 4 from what i've experienced... | ||
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Bisu-Fan
Russian Federation3336 Posts
On November 01 2017 06:57 nayumi wrote: well the mid match up is no longer the traditional 1v1 like we used to know i find mid match up nowadays relies less on the actual mid player doing well (apart from farming of course) but more on the support creating enough space and making room for the mid player to farm and grow.. pos 2 used to define if a team wins or loses, it is now pos 4 from what i've experienced... With the 7.07 change back to one less creep, hopefully we see less dual mids as it might starve the mid's experience gain. That on top of the deny experience being much more punishing might change how viable dual mids are. Unless it exacerbates the problem and the mid lane becomes a deny-fest. :/ But yeah I agree the pos 4's really need to step it up in 706. But then again, Dendi should be used to other supports pressuring him, as it's been the case forever. (probably a little less so from ti4 to ti6) | ||
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_Elendil
Italy192 Posts
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Racket
3023 Posts
Don't really like his attitude. | ||
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Salazarz
Korea (South)2591 Posts
On November 08 2017 06:25 Racket wrote: http://read.navi-gaming.com/en/team_news/crystallize_twitch_answers Don't really like his attitude. What makes you say that? Think he's just fairly introverted / not used to being interviewed so the answers are quite stifled. | ||
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kyle_xy8
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Racket
3023 Posts
On November 08 2017 10:00 kyle_xy8 wrote: Please ComeBack He doesn't like this hero, he won't play that hero. Kind of bad attitude for a player who clearly has a small hero pool and should work on it. | ||
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the bear jew
United States3674 Posts
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Racket
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Archeon
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Racket
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On November 11 2017 05:32 Archeon wrote: If I don't suck at math (which is possible) they need to win 3 maps and one of them has to be against og to be sure. If they go 0:2 vs OG, 2:0 vs MoF and 1:1 vs VP and OG 2:0s MoF, then navi either goes down (if they count head to head) or they have a tiebreaker with OG. Yea, I just believe OG and MoF will lose some other games. As long as NaVi wins two games, the others teams have to have an outstanding performance for what is left for NaVi to end up out. | ||
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