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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
and game 4 at that moment VP was on a serious timer, so saving for buybacks wasnt going to save them if they didnt get new items IMO so it was ... be as strong as you can be but die and lose, or die 2 times and lose either way | ||
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
But Navi improving, Dendi playing really well lately | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On November 23 2017 02:08 Faruko wrote: I mean, yeah, it's not a major or a minor, but there was a decent chunk of money on the line. But Navi improving, Dendi playing really well lately Hes never had a problem competing mechanically with anyone. And if that base is there then its all about the team really. | ||
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
Of course is hard to say that's all on Dendi considering how team oriented this game is, because is no mistery that Dendi feels a lot safer with Rodjer + Sonneiko, Rodjer is an amazing pos4 roamer and Sonneiko is always at the right place at the right time, that gives Dendi a lot more space to play the mid lane. | ||
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Archeon
3267 Posts
On November 22 2017 22:27 _Elendil wrote: Na'Vi are beating up VP at Cyberleague finals. They seems capable of beating, or at least competing, with the T1 teams. Finally. VP is anything but stable, their recent results are really lacking. That being said Navi also had a good results in DL outside of their 0:2 against secret. So while I wouldn't say that Navi are there yet, they are definitely looking good atm. That being said atm I'd rate Liquid Tier 1 and then have a hard time. Secret is looking strong, Newbee is looking strong, LFY and VG look good on occasion. No idea where NA stands atm. Navi is establishing themselves as the strongest CIS team atm, but that's also due to VP slumping. | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
On November 23 2017 03:18 Archeon wrote: VP is anything but stable, their recent results are really lacking. That being said Navi also had a good results in DL outside of their 0:2 against secret. So while I wouldn't say that Navi are there yet, they are definitely looking good atm. That being said atm I'd rate Liquid Tier 1 and then have a hard time. Secret is looking strong, Newbee is looking strong, LFY and VG look good on occasion. No idea where NA stands atm. Navi is establishing themselves as the strongest CIS team atm, but that's also due to VP slumping. Ehm for the past 6-12 months they've consistently been top 3-5 teams in the world, won ESL Hamburg, finalist in Kiev, won the Summit 7 and top 6 TI (losing to the Liquid who went on and won the whole thing). So saying that they're not consistent is quite harsh. Lets not forget the ESL Hamburg final was less than 1 month ago. I do agree that Navi aren't there yet, though they're progressing at a steady pace. However we'd need to see how they're going to do with top tier teams from other region as Navi tend to do better against CIS teams, due to similarity in style/scrimming together .etc | ||
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_Elendil
Italy192 Posts
On November 23 2017 06:55 nayumi wrote: However we'd need to see how they're going to do with top tier teams from other region as Navi tend to do better against CIS teams, due to similarity in style/scrimming together .etc Indeed. They need to play more and more vs European and Chinese teams, because they lack experience. But they qualified for a bunch of tournaments and so it will happen. I don't think they can win a Valve major or minor yet, but sometimes they can do better than 6th place, probably. | ||
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the bear jew
United States3674 Posts
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Geisterkarle
Germany3257 Posts
But NaVi are coming together! All their positions are doing well! High hopes for now! | ||
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_Elendil
Italy192 Posts
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On November 23 2017 18:14 Geisterkarle wrote: I don't know if VP is struggeling with the new patch ... (their convincing ESL Hamburg win was just before that) But NaVi are coming together! All their positions are doing well! High hopes for now! I think that VP is struggling with Na`Vi more so than with the new patch. They still had quite convincing wins against other top teams. That being said, new Na`Vi is definitely shaping up to be close to tier 1 team. Also Dendi is back in business. He always was a player that could compete with anyone but when your team doesn't show any meaningful results for so long, motivation starts lacking and we can see this especially now. When his team started winning stuff and going toe to toe against top teams, he is suddenly back on top. | ||
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Archeon
3267 Posts
On November 23 2017 19:27 Ramiz1989 wrote: I think that VP is struggling with Na`Vi more so than with the new patch. They still had quite convincing wins against other top teams. That being said, new Na`Vi is definitely shaping up to be close to tier 1 team. Also Dendi is back in business. He always was a player that could compete with anyone but when your team doesn't show any meaningful results for so long, motivation starts lacking and we can see this especially now. When his team started winning stuff and going toe to toe against top teams, he is suddenly back on top. VP also tied with MoF and OG in DL and got crushed by VG and NB in dotapit, where they also dropped a map vs Fnatic (I've always like EE, but Fnatic is terrible atm). It's definitely also the patch. Not trying to take away anything of Navi, they are definitely looking good and could become a contender for tier1. They are looking a lot less one-dimensional and I've been impressed by especially Dendi's performance. But I wouldn't say that winning two of three series against a team that wasn't the most stable to begin with and has been slipping up recently tells a lot. Maybe I've been on that hype train too often and am more cautious now, idk. | ||
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Racket
3023 Posts
I don't know why they are so adamant on letting some heroes / heroes combinations through, like.. why not change the whole dynamic? Whatever. | ||
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
doesn't that exist as an explanation on its own? if you've practiced against something and know you have a good grasp for how the hero works, it stands to reason that you're okay with letting it through maybe not the other team won, but they had other options aside from banning CK or something. | ||
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Racket
3023 Posts
I have just seen this so many times happen to NaVi that I keep asking myself, is this really confidence or underestimation? | ||
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_Elendil
Italy192 Posts
On November 29 2017 22:16 Racket wrote: Yes, they may have had confidence. I also thought about that. I have just seen this so many times happen to NaVi that I keep asking myself, is this really confidence or underestimation? Or, considering they are a new team, they want to learn. | ||
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Racket
3023 Posts
On November 30 2017 00:03 _Elendil wrote: Or, considering they are a new team, they want to learn. I am sorry, you don't learn in quals to Major tournaments, unless you are forced to learn. The picks they did on their own, so I don't think that is even remotely accurate. | ||
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_Elendil
Italy192 Posts
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