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DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
August 06 2016 03:16 GMT
#4001
Con fucking grats. Now we face liquid likely, and a good chance of finishing 12-16. And we lament our stupid losses to escape and tnc
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
August 06 2016 03:23 GMT
#4002
On July 26 2016 06:39 nayumi wrote:
The boy can finish top 4 at TI for sure. Beating OG/Liquid is a still a big ask. I don't think we ever played against Newbee recently but on paper they're the favourite so I'd still give them the edge. MVP and Wings are definitely beatable, we just need a solid draft and refrain from going full davai and we'd be fine.

Edit:

Though it's likely that Navi will face OG in the first KO round, gets booted to LB and matched with Liquid so yea ... Dota god can be a dick sometimes.

Not exactly how it turned out but we did lose to OG in Group stage which resulted in us having to meey Liquid in BO1.

I should stop jinxing out boys XD
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
August 06 2016 03:45 GMT
#4003
At least there's no need to blame dota gods this time. Its all on the team for not performing. Time for them to start banning/playing et, and Ditya to pick up morphling, and more disruptor picks maybe.
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-06 03:53:55
August 06 2016 03:53 GMT
#4004
ROFL beat liquid and we have to beat eg/newbee. Con fucking grats again.
the bear jew
Profile Joined August 2014
United States3674 Posts
August 06 2016 05:39 GMT
#4005
On August 06 2016 12:53 DucK- wrote:
ROFL beat liquid and we have to beat eg/newbee. Con fucking grats again.


Bulba the MMR Assasin sends his regards.

In seriousness, if they play more like the team that played it close to OG, they can definitely beat Liquid and Newbee who I would expect to be their next opponents. That said, they get one shot, and have to not fuck it up.
DeMoN pulled off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
FreakyDroid
Profile Joined July 2012
Macedonia2616 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-06 09:54:48
August 06 2016 09:54 GMT
#4006
Well Liquid have been choking hard as well, Fata, MindControl and even Kuro are playing pretty bad whole tournament and just like NaVi, they have draft issues. I have hopes they can beat Liquid, but they need to make a good draft. If they do beat Liquid the 2 teams they need to watch out for are Ehome and EG. [A], Fnatic, NB and ESC arent that scary for NaVi, they might be hard teams to beat but not nearly as hard as EG and Ehome.
Smile, tomorrow will be worse
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
August 06 2016 09:59 GMT
#4007
I think ditya may leave after ti if navi finish last. Firstly playwise he underperformed in many games. Secondly from navi videos, he looks very quiet and doesn't talk much to his team. Doesn't look exactly comfortable or close to his team.
FreakyDroid
Profile Joined July 2012
Macedonia2616 Posts
August 06 2016 10:44 GMT
#4008
When NaVi has a good draft, Ditya isnt so bad. But he still gets picked off many times in crucial moments. In the last game vs OG, General and Artstyle also got picked off at few crucial moments, but this happens only when they play vs OG, versus other teams they are usually on point with positioning and map awareness. I think one of the biggest issues with NaVi is that when IO, SK and Huskar are banned they dont have 2-3 other heroes that they are scary on.
Smile, tomorrow will be worse
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
August 06 2016 11:41 GMT
#4009
On August 06 2016 19:44 FreakyDroid wrote:
When NaVi has a good draft, Ditya isnt so bad. But he still gets picked off many times in crucial moments. In the last game vs OG, General and Artstyle also got picked off at few crucial moments, but this happens only when they play vs OG, versus other teams they are usually on point with positioning and map awareness. I think one of the biggest issues with NaVi is that when IO, SK and Huskar are banned they dont have 2-3 other heroes that they are scary on.


Their drow strat still scary though. The aggro early on is so intense. But yea. I think if every team gave navi io and SK, they will win TI easily lol
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-06 14:08:45
August 06 2016 12:44 GMT
#4010
Liquid looks pretty awful tho, and eg seems like a toss up, nb might be scary

But honestly it seems like this is the most random ti ever.

But if we are talking about replacing players, ditya ra might be the only one AND thats if you can get either ramzesss or resolut1on, out of the cis scenes those 2 are the only ones that could upgrade navis line up as a whole. Or go for a more "european team"

In all honestly, navi has the best they can work with, the cis scene is in shambles and theres not enough talent to pick from... If Xboct, funn1k and company would be as good as they were in ti3 and beforw, they could easily be a top tier team, but they are not and you have to work with what you have.

Not to mention, dota 2 is random as fuck nowadays, and im not having as much fun as i had in other times, it seems like nobody knows what to do in games, every fucking game is clown fiesta and the overall level (bar OG) seems incredibly lower compared to other times... Im not even really caring about this TI

Wheres muh csgo when you need it
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
FreakyDroid
Profile Joined July 2012
Macedonia2616 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-06 13:44:35
August 06 2016 13:42 GMT
#4011
^ Yeah earlier in this thread I said Resolution isnt that good, but after watching him the last 2 days, I have to agree, he looks pretty scary. However DC as a whole seem very prepared, they are the team that surprised me the most. Im kind of rooting for them as well because of all the shit that went between Secret and w33+Misery and the fact that Volvo has some serious hate towards DotaCinema and SUNSFan.

Im not having as much fun either, I think its because the game is so fast and every hero is so freaking buffed and is either hard counter to someone or is hard countered by someone. Then there's the comeback mechanic. For this reason wombo combo dota is no more and it was the most fun to watch imo.

The only thing that worries me about the game against Liquid is that historically they have beaten NaVi all the time and that might give them a mental advantage.
Smile, tomorrow will be worse
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
August 06 2016 13:44 GMT
#4012
On August 06 2016 21:44 Faruko wrote:
Liquid looks pretty awful tho, and eg seems like a toss up, nb might be scary

But honestly it seems like this is the most random ti ever.

But if we are talking about replacing players, ditya ra might be the only one AND thats if you can get either ramzesss or resolut1on, out of the cis scenes those 2 are the only ones that could upgrade navis line up as a whole. Or go for a more "european team"

In all honestly, navi has the best they can work with, the cis scene is in shambles and theres not enough talent to pick from... If Xboct, funn1k and company would be as good as they were in ti3 and beforw, they could easily be a top tier team, but they are not and you have to work with what you have.

Not to mention, dota 2 is random as fuck nowadays, and im not having as much fun as i had in other times, it seems like nobody knows what to do in games, every fucking game is clown fiesta and the overall level (bar OG) seems incredibly lower compared to other teams... Im not even really caring about this TI

Wheres muh csgo when you need it


Agree with ramzes and resolution. Only Ditya ra could potentially be replaced.
danl9rm
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States3111 Posts
August 06 2016 18:36 GMT
#4013
On August 06 2016 18:59 DucK- wrote:
I think ditya may leave after ti if navi finish last. Firstly playwise he underperformed in many games. Secondly from navi videos, he looks very quiet and doesn't talk much to his team. Doesn't look exactly comfortable or close to his team.


Seriously, the conclusions some of you draw from lilliputian details.
"Science has so well established that the preborn baby in the womb is a living human being that most pro-choice activists have conceded the point. ..since the abortion proponents have lost the science argument, they are now advocating an existential one."
pajoondies
Profile Joined February 2014
United States316 Posts
August 06 2016 18:51 GMT
#4014
i think Na'vi is going to beat liquid, navi looked stronger as the group concluded and liquid looked absolutely lost. if they keep their composure, i think they'll knock liquid out for the craziest upset of the tournament.
the bear jew
Profile Joined August 2014
United States3674 Posts
August 06 2016 19:40 GMT
#4015
On August 06 2016 22:44 DucK- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2016 21:44 Faruko wrote:
Liquid looks pretty awful tho, and eg seems like a toss up, nb might be scary

But honestly it seems like this is the most random ti ever.

But if we are talking about replacing players, ditya ra might be the only one AND thats if you can get either ramzesss or resolut1on, out of the cis scenes those 2 are the only ones that could upgrade navis line up as a whole. Or go for a more "european team"

In all honestly, navi has the best they can work with, the cis scene is in shambles and theres not enough talent to pick from... If Xboct, funn1k and company would be as good as they were in ti3 and beforw, they could easily be a top tier team, but they are not and you have to work with what you have.

Not to mention, dota 2 is random as fuck nowadays, and im not having as much fun as i had in other times, it seems like nobody knows what to do in games, every fucking game is clown fiesta and the overall level (bar OG) seems incredibly lower compared to other teams... Im not even really caring about this TI

Wheres muh csgo when you need it


Agree with ramzes and resolution. Only Ditya ra could potentially be replaced.


What about Silent?
DeMoN pulled off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
the bear jew
Profile Joined August 2014
United States3674 Posts
August 06 2016 19:53 GMT
#4016
Also for their last game vs OG, do you think Slark was a bad pick? I know the reason they went omni. Slark get's linken's get repel, get unkillable, but slark doesn't kill heroes fast enough. And he's already hard to kill. Maybe they should of went a more dps/burst hero to pair with.

Like would PA have been better?
DeMoN pulled off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
FreakyDroid
Profile Joined July 2012
Macedonia2616 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-06 21:28:51
August 06 2016 21:25 GMT
#4017
Slark with basher is great a choice, Morhp cant manfight a Slark with basher. I think Ditya made a mistake by going midas-> Echo -> Blink -> Linkens. Morph didnt go the eblade build, which made Linkens useless. Linkens can be justified when playing against Batrider, but they had a Venge. BKB would have been the right choice imo, you cant rely on repel because OG arent stupid and they'll get Diffusial, which they did on Veno. He also got kited a lot by Veno and his wards , which is why his blink wasnt a good choice either. As soon as he got the basher, he got picked off 2 times in the space of 5 minutes, bought back 1 time and never finished the Abyssal because he went from 4k gold in the bank down to 2k. In that game he desperately needed BKB to deal with Veno, ES and kotl, at first it seemed ok because he got a few kills, but after that he just couldnt stay on a target.
Smile, tomorrow will be worse
the bear jew
Profile Joined August 2014
United States3674 Posts
August 06 2016 21:38 GMT
#4018
On August 07 2016 06:25 FreakyDroid wrote:
Slark with basher is great a choice, Morhp cant manfight a Slark with basher. I think Ditya made a mistake by going midas-> Echo -> Blink -> Linkens. Morph didnt go the eblade build, which made Linkens useless. Linkens can be justified when playing against Batrider, but they had a Venge. BKB would have been the right choice imo, you cant rely on repel because OG arent stupid and they'll get Diffusial, which they did on Veno. He also got kited a lot by Veno and his wards , which is why his blink wasnt a good choice either. As soon as he got the basher, he got picked off 2 times in the space of 5 minutes, bought back 1 time and never finished the Abyssal because he went from 4k gold in the bank down to 2k. In that game he desperately needed BKB to deal with Veno, ES and kotl, at first it seemed ok because he got a few kills, but after that he just couldnt stay on a target.


The purpose of the linken's is to block diffusal so they can't purge the repel off of you. It's what you do when you have omni, at least what I saw in pro games, get the linken's with repel to be immortal, but I feel the slark is overkill, he's already hard to kill, not enough damage fast enough I feel.
DeMoN pulled off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
FreakyDroid
Profile Joined July 2012
Macedonia2616 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-06 22:02:29
August 06 2016 22:01 GMT
#4019
On August 07 2016 06:38 the bear jew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2016 06:25 FreakyDroid wrote:
Slark with basher is great a choice, Morhp cant manfight a Slark with basher. I think Ditya made a mistake by going midas-> Echo -> Blink -> Linkens. Morph didnt go the eblade build, which made Linkens useless. Linkens can be justified when playing against Batrider, but they had a Venge. BKB would have been the right choice imo, you cant rely on repel because OG arent stupid and they'll get Diffusial, which they did on Veno. He also got kited a lot by Veno and his wards , which is why his blink wasnt a good choice either. As soon as he got the basher, he got picked off 2 times in the space of 5 minutes, bought back 1 time and never finished the Abyssal because he went from 4k gold in the bank down to 2k. In that game he desperately needed BKB to deal with Veno, ES and kotl, at first it seemed ok because he got a few kills, but after that he just couldnt stay on a target.


The purpose of the linken's is to block diffusal so they can't purge the repel off of you. It's what you do when you have omni, at least what I saw in pro games, get the linken's with repel to be immortal, but I feel the slark is overkill, he's already hard to kill, not enough damage fast enough I feel.


But they'll just use 2 diffusal charges its got 2 seconds cd... He got the Linkens anticipating eblade build, but Morph never got it.
Smile, tomorrow will be worse
Xialos
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada508 Posts
August 06 2016 23:06 GMT
#4020
This TI feels so weird (maybe I just dont get the meta). It feels like anything can happen. Nothing makes sense it seems.
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