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roMAD
Russia2355 Posts
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Caladbolg
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On March 15 2015 23:56 Checkm8 wrote: I'd like to, but I'm not too confident I'll do a great job... Off topic: iG first days, pretty good :D ok i updated the OP to you ~ | ||
Elyvilon
United States13143 Posts
 Major All Stars is coming up. | ||
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shad2810
Malaysia2682 Posts
On March 17 2015 20:27 Elyvilon wrote: by the way, since I'm sure people in this thread will be excited to see this team on LAN, Major All Stars is coming up.I'm going to see them live !  ! | ||
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aboxcar
United States447 Posts
actually luo played decent, but really not that great. the tidehunter game, he just completely abandoned offlane. on the other side rotk fed a bit much. inversely luo did nothing in the lane at all and later on his team gave him a lot of resources to catch up the same game, in the middle there was a fight ig got teamwiped, but if you paid attention, actually they should not have gotten team wiped. ferrari's storm was already retreating, but luo blinked uphill and forced ferrari to go with him. both were summarily executed. new ig is for sure looking much stronger and I'm very happy but please don't think lu0 is playing perfectly | ||
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Caladbolg
2855 Posts
On March 18 2015 00:01 aboxcar wrote: resident ig fan here to inject some toxicity actually luo played decent, but really not that great. the tidehunter game, he just completely abandoned offlane. on the other side rotk fed a bit much. inversely luo did nothing in the lane at all and later on his team gave him a lot of resources to catch up the same game, in the middle there was a fight ig got teamwiped, but if you paid attention, actually they should not have gotten team wiped. ferrari's storm was already retreating, but luo blinked uphill and forced ferrari to go with him. both were summarily executed. new ig is for sure looking much stronger and I'm very happy but please don't think lu0 is playing perfectly Hey man, I respect you for sticking with iG (they've always been 2nd to DK in my heart, but now 1st). That said, I disagree about that game. 1. Yes he abandoned offlane, but was having serious trouble there. EHOME did a really good job controlling the wave, and the damage output from Ember, Venge, and Shaman is easily more than enough to bring down a tide. He also went boots first, which made the lane more difficult than it could have been (not that I disagree with the build, but he probably could've gone shield to get the first few important last hits). 2. He wasn't really being useless because he stacked the Ancients, which is a decent alternative to getting owned in the lane. 3. You're correct in that Luo didn't play perfectly, but I also think he had enough clutch plays to deserve a secondary MVP award (Ferrari still carrying iG, what's new?). That patience with the Ravage (alongside the blink juke) in dire's jungle probably turned that game for them at that point. At 1:05:22 of the BTS VOD, his Ravage initiation saved their base pretty much and gave Burning and Ferrari a lot of space to do so much damage (notwithstanding Zyf heroics on Ember). He basically solo-killed three heroes there, making it a 4v2. This was despite EHOME having a huge advantage with cheese (which was used by Ember). At the 1:08:40 fight, he again showed so much patience, waiting out the BKB on Inflame before using his second ravage. This took out the SF from the fight (who was dealing huge damage previously). Lastly, at the 1:13:00 fight, he didn't commit right away even when Faith did. Faith got himself killed, and Ferrari used up his BKB without gaining a kill. Luo however waited for SF's 5 sec BKB to expire (since Faith had triggered it by jumping in) and only then committed with 2 quick ravages to take him down. Those decisions by Luo for me changed the game as much as the insane lategame pickoffs of Ferrari. They were by far the most important players on iG at that point. The fight at 1:16:40 as well. Basically, Luo kept killing Inflame who was crucial to EHOME's damage potential, IMO moreso than Zyf considering his aura and items (AC). 4. At the final 1:20:55 fight, Luo, Burning and Ferrari team up for the best initiation of the game. Ferrari zips in with a hex on the SF (poor Inflame) who has the cheese. He gets swapped, but Luo comes in at the exact same moment and pops a ravage, taking Inflame down to half health (at this point Burning was already focusing on him). The second ravage and Burning's damage take him out, and that basically ended the game. Zyf didn't have enough damage by his lonesome (though they did kill Burning), but Inflame had no buyback AND was unable to pop the cheese. So why I'm not Luo's biggest fan, I'd actually attribute that comeback equally to him and Ferrari (Ferrari made a lot of suicidal plays, though arguably he was gambling quite a bit, since soloing Zyf could win them the game). Luo however, made incredibly good decisions on when to use his ravage and who to focus with it. So I don't think he merely played a decent Tide - he played a fantastic one. | ||
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goody153
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![[image loading]](https://scontent-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/p180x540/10306167_1614657078769734_8612041481180848124_n.jpg?oh=dc4f4a9c7b27e965cb038c7108bf9d67&oe=556FB51F) Major Allstar | ||
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saocyn
United States937 Posts
secret won't win it, they're not hungry enough. the fact their new team which went 15-0 lost vs a reformatted EG is proof of it. IG & EG, whoever beats each other in the up and coming matches will be the victor of 2015 at TI. for these guys it's more than money, they've all already succeeded, the winner of this is all mental. whoever can set aside cash and differences for pride and legacy. ig has shown to do that, not only do they want to PLAY with each other, burning tossed out the formalities and contracts and said hey you guys are the best ones who give me the highest chance of winning TI-5, i always respect you and have wanted to play with you my whole life, let's do this. (not his words, my own interpretation of his behavior) chuan is now grounded in reality and can only set aside his pride if all bases are covered I.E. his teammates are as good if not better than he is / he must like them in order to function. (wanted faith, always wanted to play with burning) Ferarri is the most consistent player of all time, hands down. i would have said fear but even in losing games ferarrii is like always the last hope and his play never wavers. if given any room or space he will dominate the opposition, no one imo is scarier in a team game than ferarri in mid. (this is not a 1v1 comparison) no other mid player pushes it like he does, not dendi, not rtz, no-one. luo has shown he can play unorthodox, but also be a carry if given that role. his individual skill shines and he's been polishing his chemistry throughout his time with IG. if the other 4 members vouch for him, i can't say i disagree. burning is....we'll burning. one of the most consistent carrys of all time and can arguably be one of the top 3-5 carry players of all time. (i still think he's a bit overrated / zsmj ranks higher but that's another thread all on it's own) faith and chuan duo is a as experienced as any of the big duos out there. whether they are still relevant and as consistent of a duo as puppey / kuro or fenrir and fy still remains to be seen, none the less they still are a fearsome duo who were ex-ti champions and the greedy lineup of IG would not be successful if their support play was anything less than adequate. | ||
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goody153
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cbk486
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Fire Turtles
527 Posts
Personally I think that's what this meta is going to boil down to at TI - everyone trying to be max-efficient with farm as a team until one crucial fight allows them to win | ||
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goody153
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aboxcar
United States447 Posts
On March 22 2015 16:22 Fire Turtles wrote: One thing I've been noting about iG's games recently is that almost always, even in the EHOME game when they were rax down, even in the Empire G3 today when it looked bleak for them at one point, they maintained a gold lead. Personally I think that's what this meta is going to boil down to at TI - everyone trying to be max-efficient with farm as a team until one crucial fight allows them to win that's just one symptom of a skill differential, it's not a cause stronger teams will also be able to make comebacks in games they are losing. the old ig was able to do this, and the new ig is showing signs of it too. part of the reason the old ig's fall was so dramatic is because they were the most skilled team. so there were signs of changing meta: the loss to tongfu's (old newbee) druid + DK + jugg strat, which started to show us that it's not enough to win lanes like qop vs DK, and actually ig was slipping but it took awhile to show because they were the best players the opposite of latent strength is true too. when teams with leads don't know how to hold them (c9), it's a sign of underlying weakness. | ||
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Checkm8
Japan627 Posts
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
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DucK-
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Ultrapwnage
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Uranium
United States1077 Posts
Also they are willing to play aggressive and take fights early, with Luo and Ferrari playing space creating midgame heroes more often than not in Major All Stars. A far cry from the old iG. I think someone said earlier in this thread that Ferrari is playing like he has weight off his shoulders now that he doesn't have to be the 1 position, and can really show his technical skills on playmaking heroes. | ||
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Caladbolg
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