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On February 10 2015 16:49 Daralii wrote:
Burning confirmed on his stream that he's joining iG. Additionally Xiao8 back to LGD, rOtK to CDEC.
Any news on the full lineups? I was watching Burning's stream (and that ridiculously bad Magnus game) but it was on mute cause I was in the office.
Given the current lineup, it would be
1. Burning
2. Ferrari
3. June
4. Chuan
5. Luo
Which is a much better lineup than before... but honestly I'm a bit underwhelmed. I think old DK was better (with Super RoTK QQQ and MMY), especially the supports.
Oh well we'll see what happens.
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Luo to support? I was hoping they'd replace him with lanm or iceice
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On February 11 2015 03:58 InFiNitY[pG] wrote:
Luo to support? I was hoping they'd replace him with lanm or iceice
i would also like to see more changes. the leaked shuffle seems underwhelming
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iG still lack a real leader, which was the entire problem in the first place...
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Chuan kinda looked toxic durinc DAC, like that game where he gg and drops instantly. I don't know if he's really that way all the time, but it looks really bad for teamspirit
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On February 11 2015 07:56 zdarr wrote:
Chuan kinda looked toxic durinc DAC, like that game where he gg and drops instantly. I don't know if he's really that way all the time, but it looks really bad for teamspirit
its well known that Chuan's a huge flamer and difficult to get along with
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On February 11 2015 07:59 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2015 07:56 zdarr wrote:
Chuan kinda looked toxic durinc DAC, like that game where he gg and drops instantly. I don't know if he's really that way all the time, but it looks really bad for teamspirit its well known that Chuan's a huge flamer and difficult to get along with
If that's the case huge props to 430 then for sticking out with iG and even carrying even under that much immense pressure...
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On February 11 2015 05:57 cbk486 wrote:
iG still lack a real leader, which was the entire problem in the first place...
Burning is a strong captain. Maybe with him as captain and Luo helping with the drafts, iG can gain momentum again.
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On February 11 2015 13:07 Caladbolg wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2015 05:57 cbk486 wrote:
iG still lack a real leader, which was the entire problem in the first place... Burning is a strong captain. Maybe with him as captain and Luo helping with the drafts, iG can gain momentum again.
or xiao8 if they get him
faith/xiao8/lanm can captain hard
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On February 11 2015 11:15 Checkm8 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2015 07:59 Sn0_Man wrote:On February 11 2015 07:56 zdarr wrote:
Chuan kinda looked toxic durinc DAC, like that game where he gg and drops instantly. I don't know if he's really that way all the time, but it looks really bad for teamspirit its well known that Chuan's a huge flamer and difficult to get along with If that's the case huge props to 430 then for sticking out with iG and even carrying even under that much immense pressure...
When you've won a TI together, it's a brotherhood. They respect each other, look at the way ChuaN speaks about Faith and I'm sure he feels the same about YYF too (or even Zhou Burden, ChuaN has shown remorse for that momentary lapse in judgement) ... the other guys who play for iG hasn't achieved anything and keep making mistakes under pressure.
BurNIng joining will calm ChuaN's tits a little because there is the respect factor. June and Luo need to pull their socks up because they made quite a lot of mistakes since joining iG. When you want to win, you need someone to hold people accountable instead of patting them in the back when they mess up big. I am pretty sure ChuaN and Ferrari_430 know what it takes to win better than most of us posting on forums. 
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On February 11 2015 13:07 Caladbolg wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2015 05:57 cbk486 wrote:
iG still lack a real leader, which was the entire problem in the first place... Burning is a strong captain. Maybe with him as captain and Luo helping with the drafts, iG can gain momentum again.
Is burning even a captain? He was back in the day, but much like Fear with EG, he gave that title up willingly. Both are good carries that give valuable input of course, but they aren't puppey/ppd/fy types that draft and direct the game. DK 2014's success was largely on on the other 4 for strategy and drafting. Hell, he formed DK 2014 just because he wanted mushi to be the thinker after seeing Orange at Ti3.
In that vein, I'd also have more confidence with a stronger support coming in over Luo for purposes of actually leading with a strong sense of strategy.
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On March 04 2015 06:38 lolnoty wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2015 13:07 Caladbolg wrote:On February 11 2015 05:57 cbk486 wrote:
iG still lack a real leader, which was the entire problem in the first place... Burning is a strong captain. Maybe with him as captain and Luo helping with the drafts, iG can gain momentum again. Is burning even a captain? He was back in the day, but much like Fear with EG, he gave that title up willingly. Both are good carries that give valuable input of course, but they aren't puppey/ppd/fy types that draft and direct the game. DK 2014's success was largely on on the other 4 for strategy and drafting. Hell, he formed DK 2014 just because he wanted mushi to be the thinker after seeing Orange at Ti3. In that vein, I'd also have more confidence with a stronger support coming in over Luo for purposes of actually leading with a strong sense of strategy.
Yeah, I wish Faith would rejoin. 
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On March 04 2015 06:23 Syntico wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2015 11:15 Checkm8 wrote:On February 11 2015 07:59 Sn0_Man wrote:On February 11 2015 07:56 zdarr wrote:
Chuan kinda looked toxic durinc DAC, like that game where he gg and drops instantly. I don't know if he's really that way all the time, but it looks really bad for teamspirit its well known that Chuan's a huge flamer and difficult to get along with If that's the case huge props to 430 then for sticking out with iG and even carrying even under that much immense pressure... When you've won a TI together, it's a brotherhood. They respect each other, look at the way ChuaN speaks about Faith and I'm sure he feels the same about YYF too (or even Zhou Burden, ChuaN has shown remorse for that momentary lapse in judgement) ... the other guys who play for iG hasn't achieved anything and keep making mistakes under pressure. BurNIng joining will calm ChuaN's tits a little because there is the respect factor. June and Luo need to pull their socks up because they made quite a lot of mistakes since joining iG. When you want to win, you need someone to hold people accountable instead of patting them in the back when they mess up big. I am pretty sure ChuaN and Ferrari_430 know what it takes to win better than most of us posting on forums.
Sadly, I don't think Burning can turn the tide for iG.
The atmosphere is deadly inside the team.
YYF and Zhou mentioned about it while they are casting, there are basically no strategy discussion in this iG roster after they left. As the result, iG is super short on the current meta comparing to the other teams.
Just look at their warding and jungle pulls in DAC, it is just pure bad. All their winnings are based on their superior personal skills, crush laning phase and snowball afterwards.
The team just cannot not hold a proper discussion. Chuan disrespects Luo and June while 430 stays silent. 430 is awesome as a player but really not a captain material since he never stand up and spank the team.
Burning is the same type of player as 430, solid and flawlessly play their own part. I really hope they can get someone with good leadership like xiao8, even Rotk works for them.
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I don't know what makes you guys think that Burning is a silent, shy, 430 type.
In previous incarnations of DK, RoTK was the "captain" but he always deferred to Burning in-game. That was most pronounced in their Dota 1 LANs (the open air ones where RoTK would go fucking wild).
Burning likewise kicked everyone off DK when he felt they weren't progressing enough to win a TI.
In the star-studded version of DK, Burning was the initial captain/drafter. Later on, they went with Lanm for drafts, or Mushi when things got stale. But in every interview, they always deferred to Burning especially lategame.
IIRC, Xiao8 acknowledged that he led the team during the early-mid game phase, but again deferred to Burning when it came to late game.
In someone else's interview (think it was Zhou), Burning was cited as a great carry not only because of his game sense but because he took over the captain role once he felt farmed enough, making decisions for the team on where to fight, when to initiate, etc.
In fact, I feel that Burning was TOO overbearing as a captain in 2014 DK. I felt that they should have let Iceiceice and Lanm handle drafting and in-game shot-calling to let Burning focus on his farm more.
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On March 04 2015 06:52 Syntico wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2015 06:38 lolnoty wrote:On February 11 2015 13:07 Caladbolg wrote:On February 11 2015 05:57 cbk486 wrote:
iG still lack a real leader, which was the entire problem in the first place... Burning is a strong captain. Maybe with him as captain and Luo helping with the drafts, iG can gain momentum again. Is burning even a captain? He was back in the day, but much like Fear with EG, he gave that title up willingly. Both are good carries that give valuable input of course, but they aren't puppey/ppd/fy types that draft and direct the game. DK 2014's success was largely on on the other 4 for strategy and drafting. Hell, he formed DK 2014 just because he wanted mushi to be the thinker after seeing Orange at Ti3. In that vein, I'd also have more confidence with a stronger support coming in over Luo for purposes of actually leading with a strong sense of strategy. Yeah, I wish Faith would rejoin.
http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/2y1c0n/june_leaves_ig/
prayers answered
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On March 05 2015 09:59 Caladbolg wrote:
I don't know what makes you guys think that Burning is a silent, shy, 430 type.
In previous incarnations of DK, RoTK was the "captain" but he always deferred to Burning in-game. That was most pronounced in their Dota 1 LANs (the open air ones where RoTK would go fucking wild).
Burning likewise kicked everyone off DK when he felt they weren't progressing enough to win a TI.
In the star-studded version of DK, Burning was the initial captain/drafter. Later on, they went with Lanm for drafts, or Mushi when things got stale. But in every interview, they always deferred to Burning especially lategame.
IIRC, Xiao8 acknowledged that he led the team during the early-mid game phase, but again deferred to Burning when it came to late game.
In someone else's interview (think it was Zhou), Burning was cited as a great carry not only because of his game sense but because he took over the captain role once he felt farmed enough, making decisions for the team on where to fight, when to initiate, etc.
In fact, I feel that Burning was TOO overbearing as a captain in 2014 DK. I felt that they should have let Iceiceice and Lanm handle drafting and in-game shot-calling to let Burning focus on his farm more.
A lot of old vets were captains in dota 1 and early dota 2, but quickly realized that you can't just stomp teams based on player skill anymore and strategy was way more pronounced leading up to and including TI3. Burning is a "captain" but he is not a Captain. It's the same as Fear in my eyes. Great player, makes good calls, gives good input, and I'm sure he makes calls in game after a certain point. That said, both he and burning aren't the ones that are in charge of drafting, strategy, and general game direction. Most of the drafts were Mushi/lanm with I'm sure some iceiceice flare going on too.
That's what I mean when I say burning isn't a Captain, he's just a "captain". Also why they are smartly bringing Faith back because they need someone who doesn't tilt at the drop of a hat (chuan) to be in the drivers seat for a majority of the game.
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So the lineup now is luo/faith/chuan/burning/ferrari i guess luo offlane?
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ok if that's final lineup that pretty good .. looks like china is on the right track
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a shittier version of the ti2 ig. great
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