Invictus Gaming Discussion

On May 13 2014 17:14 Caladbolg wrote:
Team Ferrari right now, or iGsucksballswithoutme.

On May 13 2014 14:07 aboxcar wrote:
I translated an interview an iG interview after their WPC match with VG: http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/258roz/ig_interview_translation_post_vg_in_wpc/

also translated other stuff you can find in my history if anyone cares

On June 01 2014 07:26 NB wrote:
im so happy with iG performance last night, especially chuan who played exceptionally well.
Reall hope iG gona take the win over DK, that would make TI4 much more hyped.

On June 02 2014 23:50 NB wrote:
they did it!!!! I did it!!!
Long live iG

On June 03 2014 12:46 Caladbolg wrote:
So what kind of iG did you prefer guys? The one where Luo gets a carry and Ferrari gets a playmaker, the one where both get carries/semi-carries, or where Luo gets a space maker and Ferrari gets a mid carry? I honestly have no idea, I'm just happy that 430 is now pretty much the undisputed best mid in China (a little sad for Mushi though).

On June 26 2014 01:34 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
hey opter can you properly rename this thread as a staff member?

On June 27 2014 07:46 aboxcar wrote:
honestly I think yyf plays void the best on iG. he plays it more like a carry, without taking farm selfishly like a carry. mom, bkb, crit, etc.

430 takes the space of a carry, but plays like a utility, going aghs and dying a lot.

On May 12 2014 07:16 tehplank wrote:
0 replies, 5 views?

Where's the love for iG?

On July 11 2014 20:54 Ultrapwnage wrote:
Damn boys how could we lose to Empire?? IG needs to get top 2 today or I will be sad. Ferrari on dk looked so lost, so many positional errors... I guess they were tired.

On July 11 2014 22:33 Ultrapwnage wrote:
Are you from the future? I hope so, they need to be in the top 2!

On July 16 2014 18:13 CuSToM wrote:
when are we gonna get some IG items? seems like almost every major team has at least one hero set in the store. I remember hearing things about a 430 TA set, that would be sick

On July 16 2014 18:22 TRAP[yoo] wrote:

there was a faith rubick set in the workshop not to long ago

On July 17 2014 01:57 aboxcar wrote:
there's a yyf bounty out or coming out too

On July 17 2014 23:12 Checkm8 wrote:
Gud luck to iG in the lower bracket!

Also,
#iG vs EHome
#iG vs LGD
#iG vs Na'Vi
#TI2 never forget

On July 18 2014 05:17 HighTimeDotA wrote:


lets hope it happens again. will be a lot harder this year though. no more stupid drafts plz.

On July 26 2014 17:34 Checkm8 wrote:
YYF retires
Chuan possibly leaving as well...
what becomes of iG now? ;_;

On July 28 2014 16:32 sqrt wrote:


Any reliable source on Chuan? iG may not have taken the cup, but they had a really good run all around, bringing half-a-million back with them. Not to mention that they took 3 golds this year, one of which was the WPC, the second biggest DOTA tournament.

On July 28 2014 19:02 Checkm8 wrote:


I'm actually not 100% sure, but it was stated on v1lat's twitter, though I'm still skeptical about it...

On July 29 2014 09:23 gLhF.Revere wrote:
No Ferrari = No iG?

On July 29 2014 19:04 sqrt wrote:


ChuaN and Luo are no pushovers, really sad about YYF

Wonder who they'll pick up to fill the void. And who'd be the new captain. In any case, the Chinese scene is in a really good place (with Newbee, DK, VG and iG basically all being equal), so we'll get to see those team grow exponentially in skill (as long as we don't see mass retires).

In any case, hope we get to see A LOT MORE iG in the future (say what you will, they had an awesome year).

On July 30 2014 20:33 Chezus wrote:
ChuaN is currently streaming on douyutv!

http://www.douyutv.com/igchuan

It's not featured on LiquidDota yet. I'm not entirely sure how to alert staff members in this regard, so I'll just post it here for now. It's on reddit, so they're bound to find out eventually I guess.

On August 27 2014 02:16 Sn0_Man wrote:
With faith out, its likely either luo or chisbug. Chuan and ferrari don't really seem like the drafting type, and probably not super either.

Dunno about in-game leader, although that one is probably chisbug if he's playing support.

On August 31 2014 10:42 Checkm8 wrote:
Welp, let's go iG!
Edit: Wait, the upcoming events part says that both qualifiers games starts at the same time...wouldn't that put iG in a situation where they would have to choose only 1? :/

On August 31 2014 16:53 opterown wrote:

nah it's cool iG play at 19:00 against VG for WEC, then 20:00 against TongFu for i-League, then 21:00 against TBD if they beat VG, against Speed/HGT for WEC. it works out, but there will probably be a few delays

On October 29 2014 17:45 Aerisky wrote:
This is by no means limited to IG/ferrari but I feel like this was the most appropriate place to post.

I don't know if it's just me, but for some reason when I watch the NA/Euro pros, they seem to tend to do pretty well in pubs and if not winning their team the game at least doing quite well. However, whenever I watch a Chinese streamer (e.g. ferrari right now on morph) they end up getting totally wrecked/or at least mostly shut down in the game overall). Am I just really unlucky with when I watch, or are pubs really really good in China, or what? :OO

Ok he's been doing a lot better but his team's about to lose at this point :x

On December 27 2014 12:25 Churrass wrote:
430 + Burning is my dreamt duo since 2010
please make it happen

On January 08 2015 01:02 DucK- wrote:
I always thought that June plays quite well :O

On January 08 2015 00:28 TRAP[yoo] wrote:
i cant see chuan, mmy or faith switching to offlane. i hope they keep june and add a reliable and stable carry

On January 08 2015 01:27 TRAP[yoo] wrote:

i thought so too. he performed really well in the last few tournaments that ig played.
although i expected alot more of him...especially in the first months he lost quite a few lanes he was supposed to win or at least go even vs his opponent

On January 08 2015 02:25 DucK- wrote:
For luo, its quite clear that he has underperformed. But I think he is one of those players that need his team to believe in his direction and leadership, just like fng or goblak. With egos like chuan in the team, it is kinda hard for him to get his thing going.

On February 10 2015 16:49 Daralii wrote:
Burning confirmed on his stream that he's joining iG. Additionally Xiao8 back to LGD, rOtK to CDEC.

On February 11 2015 03:58 InFiNitY[pG] wrote:
Luo to support? I was hoping they'd replace him with lanm or iceice

On February 11 2015 07:56 zdarr wrote:
Chuan kinda looked toxic durinc DAC, like that game where he gg and drops instantly. I don't know if he's really that way all the time, but it looks really bad for teamspirit

On February 11 2015 07:59 Sn0_Man wrote:

its well known that Chuan's a huge flamer and difficult to get along with

On February 11 2015 05:57 cbk486 wrote:
iG still lack a real leader, which was the entire problem in the first place...

On February 11 2015 13:07 Caladbolg wrote:


Burning is a strong captain. Maybe with him as captain and Luo helping with the drafts, iG can gain momentum again.

On February 11 2015 11:15 Checkm8 wrote:


If that's the case huge props to 430 then for sticking out with iG and even carrying even under that much immense pressure...

On February 11 2015 13:07 Caladbolg wrote:


Burning is a strong captain. Maybe with him as captain and Luo helping with the drafts, iG can gain momentum again.

On March 04 2015 06:38 lolnoty wrote:


Is burning even a captain? He was back in the day, but much like Fear with EG, he gave that title up willingly. Both are good carries that give valuable input of course, but they aren't puppey/ppd/fy types that draft and direct the game. DK 2014's success was largely on on the other 4 for strategy and drafting. Hell, he formed DK 2014 just because he wanted mushi to be the thinker after seeing Orange at Ti3.

In that vein, I'd also have more confidence with a stronger support coming in over Luo for purposes of actually leading with a strong sense of strategy.

On March 04 2015 06:23 Syntico wrote:


When you've won a TI together, it's a brotherhood. They respect each other, look at the way ChuaN speaks about Faith and I'm sure he feels the same about YYF too (or even Zhou Burden, ChuaN has shown remorse for that momentary lapse in judgement) ... the other guys who play for iG hasn't achieved anything and keep making mistakes under pressure.

BurNIng joining will calm ChuaN's tits a little because there is the respect factor. June and Luo need to pull their socks up because they made quite a lot of mistakes since joining iG. When you want to win, you need someone to hold people accountable instead of patting them in the back when they mess up big. I am pretty sure ChuaN and Ferrari_430 know what it takes to win better than most of us posting on forums.

On March 04 2015 06:52 Syntico wrote:


Yeah, I wish Faith would rejoin.

On March 05 2015 09:59 Caladbolg wrote:
I don't know what makes you guys think that Burning is a silent, shy, 430 type.

In previous incarnations of DK, RoTK was the "captain" but he always deferred to Burning in-game. That was most pronounced in their Dota 1 LANs (the open air ones where RoTK would go fucking wild).

Burning likewise kicked everyone off DK when he felt they weren't progressing enough to win a TI.

In the star-studded version of DK, Burning was the initial captain/drafter. Later on, they went with Lanm for drafts, or Mushi when things got stale. But in every interview, they always deferred to Burning especially lategame.

IIRC, Xiao8 acknowledged that he led the team during the early-mid game phase, but again deferred to Burning when it came to late game.

In someone else's interview (think it was Zhou), Burning was cited as a great carry not only because of his game sense but because he took over the captain role once he felt farmed enough, making decisions for the team on where to fight, when to initiate, etc.

In fact, I feel that Burning was TOO overbearing as a captain in 2014 DK. I felt that they should have let Iceiceice and Lanm handle drafting and in-game shot-calling to let Burning focus on his farm more.

On March 06 2015 02:23 lolnoty wrote:

prayers answered

On March 06 2015 02:29 lolnoty wrote:


A lot of old vets were captains in dota 1 and early dota 2, but quickly realized that you can't just stomp teams based on player skill anymore and strategy was way more pronounced leading up to and including TI3. Burning is a "captain" but he is not a Captain. It's the same as Fear in my eyes. Great player, makes good calls, gives good input, and I'm sure he makes calls in game after a certain point. That said, both he and burning aren't the ones that are in charge of drafting, strategy, and general game direction. Most of the drafts were Mushi/lanm with I'm sure some iceiceice flare going on too.

That's what I mean when I say burning isn't a Captain, he's just a "captain". Also why they are smartly bringing Faith back because they need someone who doesn't tilt at the drop of a hat (chuan) to be in the drivers seat for a majority of the game.

On March 06 2015 09:39 Orome wrote:


Burning drafted far more for DK than Mushi ever did. Judging by the sort of lineups Lanm drafted, I'd also guess that Burning had more influence on his drafts than Mushi. In fact, the Mushi influence seemed to get smaller and smaller the longer DK were together.

That said I don't really disagree though. Burning's a decent drafter, but definitely not a great one. It's not really possible for us to tell how good of an in-game leader he is, but in DK there was a noticeable drop in his performance whenever he was required to draft and presumably lead.

On March 06 2015 09:39 Orome wrote:


Burning drafted far more for DK than Mushi ever did. Judging by the sort of lineups Lanm drafted, I'd also guess that Burning had more influence on his drafts than Mushi. In fact, the Mushi influence seemed to get smaller and smaller the longer DK were together.

That said I don't really disagree though. Burning's a decent drafter, but definitely not a great one. It's not really possible for us to tell how good of an in-game leader he is, but in DK there was a noticeable drop in his performance whenever he was required to draft and presumably lead.

Esports Magazine: You have been with IG since 2011. You are one of the original members of IG. You have experienced many ups and downs. According to you, how does this team compare to the IG of TI2? Which team is stronger?
ChuaN: Time is changing, DOTA is also changing. The current players and teams are certainly stronger than old players and teams. I really don't think you can compare the two.

Esports Magazine: What is the greatest strength of IG and the biggest weakness of IG?
ChuaN: BurNIng and 430 are amongst the best carry and mid players in the world. They are our strength. Our weakness... maybe is our support play. Our support play are not as good as the other top supports.

Esports Magazine: While the Chinese teams are going through a transfer period, the Western teams are also making changes to their lined up. What is your view of the Eastern team V.S. the Western team debate?

ChuaN: The competition between the East and West has always been China is stronger one year and the West is stronger the next year. Last year China won TI, one can only hope they can defend their titles.

On March 15 2015 14:50 opterown wrote:
iG double header today with SL, can't wait to get my chinese dota fix again

does any iG fan want to take over the thread OP btw, and keep it updated? emu seems to be awol for this thread ~ haha

On March 16 2015 03:11 Thetwinmasters wrote:
Damn i just watched the vods and damn they look good

On March 16 2015 21:36 Caladbolg wrote:
Luo is actually really good as an offlaner.

On March 15 2015 23:56 Checkm8 wrote:


I'd like to, but I'm not too confident I'll do a great job...


Off topic: iG first days, pretty good :D

On March 17 2015 20:27 Elyvilon wrote:
by the way, since I'm sure people in this thread will be excited to see this team on LAN, Major All Stars is coming up.

On March 18 2015 00:01 aboxcar wrote:
resident ig fan here to inject some toxicity

actually luo played decent, but really not that great.

the tidehunter game, he just completely abandoned offlane. on the other side rotk fed a bit much. inversely luo did nothing in the lane at all and later on his team gave him a lot of resources to catch up

the same game, in the middle there was a fight ig got teamwiped, but if you paid attention, actually they should not have gotten team wiped. ferrari's storm was already retreating, but luo blinked uphill and forced ferrari to go with him. both were summarily executed.

new ig is for sure looking much stronger and I'm very happy but please don't think lu0 is playing perfectly

On March 22 2015 16:22 Fire Turtles wrote:
One thing I've been noting about iG's games recently is that almost always, even in the EHOME game when they were rax down, even in the Empire G3 today when it looked bleak for them at one point, they maintained a gold lead.

Personally I think that's what this meta is going to boil down to at TI - everyone trying to be max-efficient with farm as a team until one crucial fight allows them to win

On March 23 2015 00:35 DucK- wrote:
Who knew Luo is best at offlane.

On April 14 2015 12:10 BoesFX wrote:
I have mixed feelings about this.

On April 29 2015 00:57 aboxcar wrote:
to be honest, even though it's more fun to win, we should be satisfied as iG fans with 2nd place after VG

if iG can keep getting 2nd leading up to TI it will put my heart at ease

an early exit from any of these tournaments (there will be mars tournament in china too) will be a sign of trouble

On April 30 2015 11:28 gnogAs wrote:
What role does Luo even fill in iG? He feels like a mildly stronger version of niqua, just playing hard engage for the team and creating space for burning.

On May 01 2015 00:20 eieio wrote:
I want YYF back with iG SO bad oh god

On May 01 2015 00:05 aboxcar wrote:
it's because they're missing YYF and zhou

a lot of people don't realize that faith is mostly captain only in name. YYF and zhou were the main strategists of the old ig. there were rare videos of team discussion (some secretly recorded lol) between/after matches of tournaments. faith contributes the least. he is there because the other 4 players were great carries and so they give drafter chair to the non-carry, little brother, as it were. actually captain title belonged to zhou at the time too even though faith was drafting.

430 is not really a brilliant strategist either. part of luo's appeal was his directing experience, but in my opinion his view of the game is too weird. (I'm always accused of having a weird game view too, but actually my game view just leans toward chinese theory...)

if they had yyf or zhou or 820 (who made great things out of that joke of a team LGD was) as coach, things would be better

On April 30 2015 11:33 aboxcar wrote:
he gets along with the team, and honestly other than xiao8 there isn't anyone to replace him

obviously he's no YYF or iceiceice though

On May 07 2015 05:22 plasmidghost wrote:
I wouldn't mind B-God winning a TI before he retires

On May 07 2015 02:32 Japassy wrote:
Burning troll team with Chen/[spoiler][/spoiler]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNo7x_trPvA

On May 09 2015 05:23 CxWiLL wrote:


Burning was a support player before he went to Ehome, and he was considered as the best Chen player in China when he was in 7L, KS.CN and CH.

On June 18 2015 05:31 Howie_Dewitt wrote:
Alright, can someone explain iG's two teams to me?
There is ECL IG, and there is Summit IG. One is like a rape train, the other one shits their pants once they load in. Can someone explain why this happens?

On August 03 2015 03:28 phantomlancer23 wrote:
I m disappointed by IGs performance.I think they failed because they cant play modern dota,the only style they can play good is the old 3lanes with ferrari SF and burning a pve 30-40 mins hero like medusa or am.
They cant be versatile with burning and luo and they should both leave after TI.The only hope for the team is to stop hiding draft and counterpick ,they should take the initiative and draft their strong heroes.They won vs LGD with SF and am.

On August 22 2015 22:10 Checkm8 wrote:
Hopefully they will all step up their game, as they're all sticking with each other for another year. Btw go back to Luo drafts, they're so good gl hf for another year iG

On August 23 2015 15:59 CxWiLL wrote:

Not very likely they will stay together.
Rumor said that Luo was kicked and Burning left for VG.
So they are possibly losing their two best players in TI5.

On September 05 2015 03:10 Elyvilon wrote:

Dendi, XBOCT

On September 21 2015 02:04 aboxcar wrote:
ig looking a little better lately

On September 21 2015 09:00 the bear jew wrote:


I really liked their last draft of lycan/sf/undying/dazzle/shaker. Of course undying/lycan are two of my favorite heroes so....

On September 30 2015 06:11 rabidch wrote:
iG are decent now but with super out i dont see them doing that well at ESL