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HighTimeDotA
Profile Joined May 2014
Canada1412 Posts
April 30 2015 14:06 GMT
#201
they should hire a coach to watch and analyze their games and help the drafter improve. they honestly lose a bunch of games right at draft.

luo still does stupid shit from time to time but comparing him to niqua is just... do you even watch dota.
rtz is like the Bieber of dota, true Canadian treasure.
aboxcar
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
United States447 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-30 15:07:06
April 30 2015 15:05 GMT
#202
it's because they're missing YYF and zhou

a lot of people don't realize that faith is mostly captain only in name. YYF and zhou were the main strategists of the old ig. there were rare videos of team discussion (some secretly recorded lol) between/after matches of tournaments. faith contributes the least. he is there because the other 4 players were great carries and so they give drafter chair to the non-carry, little brother, as it were. actually captain title belonged to zhou at the time too even though faith was drafting.

430 is not really a brilliant strategist either. part of luo's appeal was his directing experience, but in my opinion his view of the game is too weird. (I'm always accused of having a weird game view too, but actually my game view just leans toward chinese theory...)

if they had yyf or zhou or 820 (who made great things out of that joke of a team LGD was) as coach, things would be better
everything that rises must converge
eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
April 30 2015 15:20 GMT
#203
I want YYF back with iG SO bad oh god
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rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
April 30 2015 19:50 GMT
#204
On May 01 2015 00:20 eieio wrote:
I want YYF back with iG SO bad oh god

he went back to his one true love
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
buhhy
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1113 Posts
April 30 2015 20:08 GMT
#205
On May 01 2015 00:05 aboxcar wrote:
it's because they're missing YYF and zhou

a lot of people don't realize that faith is mostly captain only in name. YYF and zhou were the main strategists of the old ig. there were rare videos of team discussion (some secretly recorded lol) between/after matches of tournaments. faith contributes the least. he is there because the other 4 players were great carries and so they give drafter chair to the non-carry, little brother, as it were. actually captain title belonged to zhou at the time too even though faith was drafting.

430 is not really a brilliant strategist either. part of luo's appeal was his directing experience, but in my opinion his view of the game is too weird. (I'm always accused of having a weird game view too, but actually my game view just leans toward chinese theory...)

if they had yyf or zhou or 820 (who made great things out of that joke of a team LGD was) as coach, things would be better


So is faith actually a good drafter? And does iG keep luo around for his strategical insight since his play has been lacklustre for a long time?
aboxcar
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
United States447 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-01 14:49:41
May 01 2015 14:46 GMT
#206
the term they use is "cohesion". in other words, luo gets along with the team. and who can they replace him with? they already kicked 8k mmr june (minimi)

i think chuan has matured, and 430/burning always kind of had a certain mentality. to players like 430 and burning, it's not that you are a burden, it's that they have to be more of a god and carry you harder. they will occasionally get pissed though lol. I've seen 430 get mad after lu0's slardar at starladder, and when faith picked TA into batrider (they won this game). I think burning feels that he's unlucky in cards (kicked that burden rotk, and then rotk places 2nd at TI as captain of his own team)

on drafting, I think it's more that, the team together presents possibilities, and if no one feels too strongly then faith decides. when asked in interviews, he says "I solicit input from teammates and the final decision is mine"

to me as an observer, ig makes too many theoretical drafting mistakes. other observers speculate there are "mind games" behind the drafts, but in my eyes too many times it's because they are lost and have forgotten theory.

very rarely do opponents "outdraft" you, that term is overused. ppd, fy, old puppey , actually pull out tricks and meta-game you. actually ig does this sometimes too (22-0, etc). ...
everything that rises must converge
traced
Profile Joined October 2007
1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-01 22:36:44
May 01 2015 22:27 GMT
#207
i didn't watch the games today but the results should obviously be taken with a grain of salt considering chuan wasn't playing and the teams are experimenting with 6.84 builds and heroes. also, you have to keep in mind that they've only been playing with this roster setup since march, with luo going from 1->3, chuan and faith swapping farm priority, and burning playing with some of the most hyper-aggressive players in dota

ig consistently gets advantageous drafts - probably more than any other team except maybe eg? - to the extent that they're dependent on them it feels like. they almost always are winning after lanes with lineups that scale, and if not then they usually just lose immediately. they do out think themselves in their lane setups and lane switching sometimes tho

also luo is fantastic with the team, he just runs around and kills shit with ferrari and chuan. high impact at a low farm priority.
HighTimeDotA
Profile Joined May 2014
Canada1412 Posts
May 01 2015 23:25 GMT
#208
when faith drafted sf for burning i facepalmed pretty hard. no offense to bgod but his sf is awful compared to top tier sf players.
rtz is like the Bieber of dota, true Canadian treasure.
Caladbolg
Profile Joined March 2011
2855 Posts
May 02 2015 02:43 GMT
#209
It was obvious during the 1v1 tournaments that he joined that Burning excelled at right clicks and not so much laning skill. Heck, he was so far ahead of Fy back then but Fy just baited him into eating too many razes.

"I don't like the word prodigy at all. To me prodigy sounds like a person who was 'gifted' all these things rather than a person who earned all these talents by hard training... I must train harder to reach my goal." - Flash
HighTimeDotA
Profile Joined May 2014
Canada1412 Posts
May 02 2015 03:25 GMT
#210
hope they get a good coach pre TI. would be sad if they didnt make atleast top 6.
rtz is like the Bieber of dota, true Canadian treasure.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44282 Posts
May 02 2015 11:10 GMT
#211
guys behold the IG cosplay
[image loading]

here are the rest of the pictures

http://i.imgur.com/sak2fNA.jpg
https://imgur.com/a/JHVWN
http://imgur.com/a/nMTXY#0
this is a quote
aboxcar
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
United States447 Posts
May 02 2015 18:15 GMT
#212
ferrari pulls it off surprisingly well lol
everything that rises must converge
gnogAs
Profile Joined April 2015
Sweden12 Posts
May 04 2015 13:23 GMT
#213
On April 30 2015 11:33 aboxcar wrote:
he gets along with the team, and honestly other than xiao8 there isn't anyone to replace him

obviously he's no YYF or iceiceice though


But getting along with the team won't win them TI and i think that they realise it themselves
hoho haha
Japassy
Profile Joined May 2015
Vietnam4 Posts
May 06 2015 17:32 GMT
#214
Burning troll team with Chen/(Wiki)[spoiler][/spoiler]

Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
May 06 2015 20:22 GMT
#215
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Thetwinmasters
Profile Joined January 2015
3578 Posts
May 06 2015 20:58 GMT
#216
On May 07 2015 05:22 plasmidghost wrote:
I wouldn't mind B-God winning a TI before he retires

Nobody would mind B-God winning a TI
Japassy
Profile Joined May 2015
Vietnam4 Posts
May 07 2015 23:38 GMT
#217


BurNing plays Lone Druid
Scepter
CxWiLL
Profile Joined May 2013
China830 Posts
May 08 2015 20:23 GMT
#218
On May 07 2015 02:32 Japassy wrote:
Burning troll team with Chen/(Wiki)[spoiler][/spoiler]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNo7x_trPvA


Burning was a support player before he went to Ehome, and he was considered as the best Chen player in China when he was in 7L, KS.CN and CH.
Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
May 10 2015 01:22 GMT
#219
http://www.douyutv.com/27836 ferrari is playing on north american servers!
Red classic | A butterfly dreamed he was Zhuangzi | 4.5k, heading to 5k as support!
the bear jew
Profile Joined August 2014
United States3674 Posts
May 10 2015 02:37 GMT
#220
On May 09 2015 05:23 CxWiLL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2015 02:32 Japassy wrote:
Burning troll team with Chen/(Wiki)[spoiler][/spoiler]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNo7x_trPvA


Burning was a support player before he went to Ehome, and he was considered as the best Chen player in China when he was in 7L, KS.CN and CH.


Cool did not know that.
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