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Atoissen
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Belisarius
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They were never going to be as bad as the haters wanted to believe, but they haven't blown their way back to the top of the power ranking either. They still dropped a game to Wings and PPD got massively outdrafted by OG in game 1. Really, things are going about as expected, although I admit I'm relieved that Starladder EG did stay at Starladder. | ||
Pandemona
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On August 04 2016 16:30 Belisarius wrote: I mean they didn't do that well. They were never going to be as bad as the haters wanted to believe, but they haven't blown their way back to the top of the power ranking either. They still dropped a game to Wings and PPD got massively outdrafted by OG in game 1. Really, things are going about as expected, although I admit I'm relieved that Starladder EG did stay at Starladder. Game 1 wasn't an outdraft by Fly. EG's draft might have been a little harder to pull off, but the synergies were there. OG had to play the Drow + Medusa perfectly. You saw what happened when they weren't together, even when EG was down 15k+ networth. That game actually turned on 25 hp on Miracle at that Roshan/River fight. If Miracle goes down, EG take that fight 4-1 or so and take Roshan. But it didn't. That was some dang high-level Dota though. Everything was turning on some really tight plays & counter-plays. Was a great watch. (I also thought EG was going to GG out around 30 minutes after that fight they lost near their tier 2s, then I skipped ahead and was going, "wait, they're still in this?". Though OG probably had to get wiped 2 more times to lose that game. Drow + Rax advantage is strong.) As for "Starladder EG", it's better to make notes right after you've watched something, just so the hindsight effects we all have don't overtake the analysis. It was really clear EG was testing out a few things, and they almost won. (The actual mistake was not banning Alchemist in game 3.) ppd has been working on re-arranging the Laning to Mid-Game transition most of the year. The EG vs LGD game 3 at Manila Major, in the group stage, was the first time he's really deployed it. But for that version of EG's team-fighting issues, it would have worked as well. (LGD got the absolute best possible outcome of the fight at their Rax, and that was the only way EG lost that game from there.) So with Sumail playing supports as semi-carries from the mid 2 of those 3 games, it opens up new ways of doing things. Though, if they really do pull that out at TI, it's really the Universe hero that will be different. Though, also something to keep in mind, if EG picks AA as their 3rd pick in a draft, do you know which way it's going? Heck, right now, EG could open Void + AA then 3rd Pick Mirana. Then have a damn good time figuring out who's playing what.  Though I need to point out that Universe needs a better build on Legion. Blademail just ain't working. I think Legion is just too squishy, unless the team is in full on snowball, for it to work. I'd rather see Vanguard into Crimson (or, in a weird game, Abyssal). It just seems like getting the Blademail is where the hero just falls off. Even if it is a really cost effective item. On August 04 2016 16:48 Pandemona wrote: I think if you told me that yesterday they would have went 4 and 2 i would have went wow! That is amazing they played arguably the 3 best teams on paper (even though wings look a bit strange right now) to now go into day 2 against TNC and Escape, if we go 3 and 1 here today we are pretty much top 4 which is perfect. Gonna be awesome! Really hope we can 2-0 and at least 1-1 in the games today to secure top 4. EG had a great day. Dota is a game where you're going to lose games. The best drafts can get destroyed by odd things during the laning stage. (Especially with RNG heroes around) Seemingly terrible drafts can snowball & win games. So what's really important is how EG both prepared and how they played. And they looked good. Even their Roshan Pit fighting was better than normal. 3-1 today would put them at 7-3, leaving them needing 1 game off of LGD & Alliance to secure a spot in the Top 4. 4-0 would mean 8-2 and their spot is like >90% likely. On Wings, you can never trust them. They get advantages by playing a wide variety of approaches, but at a major LAN they're going to be at a disadvantage. They're a Bo1 team, as what's really important is preparing for them. As the viable picks settle in the Meta, we should expect them to fall off. This is why all of the hype for them is always overplayed. They could do okay, but think more of MVP last year. That's been their ceiling at a serious event all year. | ||
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Gaial
United States313 Posts
On August 04 2016 16:30 Belisarius wrote: I mean they didn't do that well. They were never going to be as bad as the haters wanted to believe, but they haven't blown their way back to the top of the power ranking either. They still dropped a game to Wings and PPD got massively outdrafted by OG in game 1. Really, things are going about as expected, although I admit I'm relieved that Starladder EG did stay at Starladder. They did very well. In SL, EG couldn't beat NaVi, now EG 2-0'd them AND split against OG and Wings. Saying that a week ago would mean you'd be insane. I believe the expectation was EG to go 2-4 on Day 1, splitting vs Na'Vi, then drawing 1-1 against Wings/OG, and getting 2-0'd by the other. How did you guys like PPD taking a page out of Wings' book, and pick Viper to counter a Huskar? | ||
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spudde123
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I don't think the picks were really that clowny. Though of course it's nice some EG players can sort of play whatever and you may be able to sneak in some weird last pick the enemy doesn't expect. For example I wouldn't be terribly surprised if we at some point see EG show Universe's hero that can jungle and some others early on and then last pick a Zai Brood. Concerning LC I think a lot of people like Armlet on her. Blademail is really good for killing people if you catch them somewhat isolated in a duel, but it feels a bit underwhelming at times in fights as typically the enemy team has something to save the guy in duel and after that Blademail doesn't help the team that much. Though I think probably the bigger thing is that LC is just a hard hero to pull off in a regular game as it goes later and the game is even. I think the hero is at its strongest when you can get some early kills and just 4-5 man towers, playing around the heal and your nuke in those early fights. If you are relying on the LC to do well later on in 5v5 fights you are probably going to be disappointed. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
But I also doubt we'll see LC from EG again. Even if Universe actually does make it look useful, haha. The one interesting trend, which I'm happy to see, is EG putting Universe on a core that does damage into the late game. Though OG banned 5 of Universe's heroes and still lost, I quite like the place that puts ppd's ability to use Universe. The Offlane Whisperer is working. | ||
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Gaial
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Pandemona
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Sn0_Man
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On August 05 2016 06:46 Pandemona wrote: Think mathematically we need 1 point and we are through. I'll take anything though so good! BLEED BLUE 1 will lock it up. Would have to run a full analysis to see if they're actually mathematically in at this point, but I think they might be locked to at least a tie-breaker. | ||
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the bear jew
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
On August 05 2016 06:25 Gaial wrote: Fear with a dominant LC performace. As if my pubs weren't flooded with LC already  | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
Basically, TNC & Alliance both have to go 4-0 on the day. A single map loss for either team and EG is at least is in a tie-breaker situation. And, obviously, a single map win, especially against Alliance, and EG are through. As for the group in general, 9 Wins is the "we're through!" stage. With Escape being 1-9, it means the rest of the teams have extra wins which get cancelled out. | ||
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Atoissen
Norway1737 Posts
I think most teams are going to be afraid of playing EG at this stage... Sumail is full beastmode this far, love it First two-time winners of TI!! Believe :D | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
LGD should be a very interesting game, by all means they looked rather poor yesterday or tilted very early, but Day one they looked good. Will be an interesting game as there style looked rather like ours back in Manila but that was when we were with Aui and Bulba and not Unigod and Zai. Hoping for some wisp plays vs them!2-0 vs LGD the dream so we can relax vs Alliance, maybe try a few things or even just enjoy ourselves into the break before the knockout phase! | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
There are 24 possible final standing states (3 outcomes x 8 matches = 24 possible outcomes), and there's only 1 in which EG doesn't make tie-breakers. Interestingly, an OG 2-0 over TNC puts EG through, regardless of what happens with LGD. (Prevents TNC from getting to 8 wins.) Or Synderen could pull a miracle and 2-0 Alliance, lol. We could see tie-breakers at 7-7, given the matchups left. I just hope we don't get the full chaos result. Though it would be funny. "Full Chaos" Series 11: LGD 1-1 EG Alliance 2-0 Escape TNC 2-0 OG Wings 1-1 Na'Vi Series 12: Alliance 0-2 EG TNC 0-2 Escape OG 0-2 Na'Vi Wings 0-2 LGD Standing: EG 11-3 Wings 7-7 Alliance 7-7 TNC 7-7 OG 7-7 LGD 7-7 Na'Vi 7-7 Escape 3-11 So there's roughly a 4% chance (irrespective of skill) for a 6-way tie-breaker. | ||
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Pandemona
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