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theqat
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States2856 Posts
July 28 2016 02:43 GMT
#2281
maybe it's gullible of me, but i really think they chose to use SL vs. a rando team as experiment time. Those had to be experimental support mid picks. Then in game 3 they go for the safety pick and it just doesn't work out. Oh well!
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
July 28 2016 05:13 GMT
#2282
On July 28 2016 11:43 theqat wrote:
maybe it's gullible of me, but i really think they chose to use SL vs. a rando team as experiment time. Those had to be experimental support mid picks. Then in game 3 they go for the safety pick and it just doesn't work out. Oh well!


ppd will always deny up a storm about some of his drafting stuff, but he always will establish some odd lineup choices early in a tournament with the very explicit intent of not letting you know what he's doing with it. He loves to abuse role versatility, as even 15 seconds of hesitation/confusion in the other drafter can outright win EG drafts.

In the case against ex-VP, EG was still clearly playing to win, but it was the best opportunity to roll out a very different approach to the Laning -> Mid-game transition. VP was going to be hungry for the win, so unlike in a scrim, the team isn't going to treat the situation like EG was just BS'ing. And, well, it worked. The ex-VP played well and EG got to workout some theory-crafting they had clearly spent a lot of time working on. With a little different approach to the rest of the cores, that Oracle draft will work.

Game 3 was just a case of the Alchemist-effect and EG not quite pushing hard enough. But Alch + SD is just damn hard to break high ground against, so I think that was more on simply a missed Ban in the 5th phase. Though Universe's Legion build was a little too "by the book" there, as I think that Blademail might have cost them the game. But that's a mistake I doubt they'll make again.

But establishing the Void + AA combo is something ppd is going to abuse in the group stage. While using those as an opening is an old MVP.P trick (and not that great), depending on how the Meta shifts, it could be very powerful. Just leaving the Sumail + ppd slot as unknown, going into a 5th pick, completely opens up EG's drafting. Expect him to abuse that to the furtherest extent possible.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
August 02 2016 13:12 GMT
#2283
26 hours until our first game vs Wings lets hope we ironed out some creases from StarLadder and are ready to defend our title!
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Danzo
Profile Joined March 2011
2820 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-02 19:09:23
August 02 2016 19:08 GMT
#2284
On August 02 2016 22:12 Pandemona wrote:
26 hours until our first game vs Wings lets hope we ironed out some creases from StarLadder and are ready to defend our title!


I hope. They didn't look very convincing at Starladder, in fact they looked weird. Let's hope they go into Ti6 and not do shit like Sumail's Dazzle mid.
Getting too old for this..
zolasell
Profile Joined April 2016
Greece288 Posts
August 02 2016 20:03 GMT
#2285
On August 03 2016 04:08 Danzo wrote:
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On August 02 2016 22:12 Pandemona wrote:
26 hours until our first game vs Wings lets hope we ironed out some creases from StarLadder and are ready to defend our title!


I hope. They didn't look very convincing at Starladder, in fact they looked weird. Let's hope they go into Ti6 and not do shit like Sumail's Dazzle mid.

If they do well (and i certainly hope they do) then starladder would be taking saving strats to the next level.using stupid strats so the enemy teams dont know what to expect
Diavlo
Profile Joined July 2011
Belgium2915 Posts
August 02 2016 20:09 GMT
#2286
On August 03 2016 05:03 zolasell wrote:
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On August 03 2016 04:08 Danzo wrote:
On August 02 2016 22:12 Pandemona wrote:
26 hours until our first game vs Wings lets hope we ironed out some creases from StarLadder and are ready to defend our title!


I hope. They didn't look very convincing at Starladder, in fact they looked weird. Let's hope they go into Ti6 and not do shit like Sumail's Dazzle mid.

If they do well (and i certainly hope they do) then starladder would be taking saving strats to the next level.using stupid strats so the enemy teams dont know what to expect

SL was just a good reminder that they should ban cheeses like huskar and Alch because they kinda suck against them.
I don't think the oracle mid was a "random shit they experimented", I think they got outdrafted and tried a hail-Mary to counter Ember which didn't work.
I have faith in the team, hopefully they will do great.
"I don't know how many years on this Earth I got left. I'm gonna get real weird with it."
Atoissen
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway1737 Posts
August 03 2016 08:22 GMT
#2287
On August 03 2016 05:09 Diavlo wrote:
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On August 03 2016 05:03 zolasell wrote:
On August 03 2016 04:08 Danzo wrote:
On August 02 2016 22:12 Pandemona wrote:
26 hours until our first game vs Wings lets hope we ironed out some creases from StarLadder and are ready to defend our title!


I hope. They didn't look very convincing at Starladder, in fact they looked weird. Let's hope they go into Ti6 and not do shit like Sumail's Dazzle mid.

If they do well (and i certainly hope they do) then starladder would be taking saving strats to the next level.using stupid strats so the enemy teams dont know what to expect

SL was just a good reminder that they should ban cheeses like huskar and Alch because they kinda suck against them.
I don't think the oracle mid was a "random shit they experimented", I think they got outdrafted and tried a hail-Mary to counter Ember which didn't work.
I have faith in the team, hopefully they will do great.

Yeah, I think SL was important just to get the reminder of very common cheeses now adays, Alch and Husk are two very viable starts in this patch.
I also have to believe they were drafting to not show certain things, and will be better today.
“Strength lies not in defense but in attack.”
spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
August 03 2016 08:30 GMT
#2288
Well we should have a pretty good idea of EG's potential in the group after today, they play all the toughest teams on paper (except LGD I guess if they are good with their standin).
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
August 03 2016 08:47 GMT
#2289
Yeah still on paper, NaVi OG Wings are the best teams in this group. LGD would be 4th best even with September for me. Tough start, but this is TI6, No messing!
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Gaial
Profile Joined May 2014
United States313 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-03 17:40:18
August 03 2016 17:26 GMT
#2290
If they had a better mid lane to let Huskar snowball, they would've won game 1 vs wings.

EDIT: Interesting, EG goes for the Zaiio in both games.

EDIT2: Double Huskar as well
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
August 03 2016 18:35 GMT
#2291
On August 04 2016 02:26 Gaial wrote:
If they had a better mid lane to let Huskar snowball, they would've won game 1 vs wings.

EDIT: Interesting, EG goes for the Zaiio in both games.

EDIT2: Double Huskar as well


ppd is going to force people to ban Wisp. And then Huskar.

At TI5, they established both Naga & Techies for a reason. And it paid off. Though Huskar is clearly a brutally hard hero to deal with right now.

I missed game 1, however. Did EG run out of DPS? (When ppd always favors semi-carries a little much at times, but when the strategy works... it works.)
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
August 03 2016 18:40 GMT
#2292
eg just got pooped on in lane and that was it since 7th in net worth huskar just isn't a viable hero
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Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
August 03 2016 18:45 GMT
#2293
On August 04 2016 03:40 Sn0_Man wrote:
eg just got pooped on in lane and that was it since 7th in net worth huskar just isn't a viable hero


Ah, so Wings funky lane domination strategy? It's a great curveball. Heck, they'd done it with a seemingly 4 Protect 1 Draft. (Though it can also fail spectacularly.)
Gaial
Profile Joined May 2014
United States313 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-03 19:30:02
August 03 2016 18:52 GMT
#2294
On August 04 2016 03:45 Taf the Ghost wrote:
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On August 04 2016 03:40 Sn0_Man wrote:
eg just got pooped on in lane and that was it since 7th in net worth huskar just isn't a viable hero


Ah, so Wings funky lane domination strategy? It's a great curveball. Heck, they'd done it with a seemingly 4 Protect 1 Draft. (Though it can also fail spectacularly.)


A Viper/Oracle shut down Huskar/Io mid, pretty hard. At one point Zai had ~500 more net worth than Sumail.

EDIT: EG just made NaVi GG out in 24 min.
Voronoff
Profile Joined May 2010
United States302 Posts
August 03 2016 19:32 GMT
#2295
So far so good, boys. 1-1 wings with the Wings win being a little cheesy, and up 1 on Navi.
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-03 21:33:07
August 03 2016 20:07 GMT
#2296
Well, Zai is really good and ET is in full on abuse-mode.

Edit: Fear 19/0/4 in game 2 against Na'Vi. EG would like to point out that Starladder didn't mean much.


Edit 2: http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2547165450

While I know game 2 was a stomp, Zai did more hero damage than Ditya Ra did on Huskar, the top on Na'Vi. That's both amazing & sad.
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-03 20:54:46
August 03 2016 20:48 GMT
#2297
Just as a technical point, a 8-6 finish in group stage should move a team on the upper bracket, which really just means going 1-1 against the good teams and 2-0 against the weaker/not as prepared teams. Finding 3 matches of 2-0 are going to put you in a really good place.

Being in the upper bracket is the really important part. The Meta really actually gets going then. Those Bracket Stage adjustments are what let's a team make a run.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-03 21:32:24
August 03 2016 21:32 GMT
#2298
So crazy, right a 1-1 or better vs OG will be amazing start to the groups!
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
August 03 2016 21:48 GMT
#2299
I believe.
ChickenDieAlive
Profile Joined September 2015
699 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-04 02:50:33
August 04 2016 02:47 GMT
#2300
Suddenly EG is playing so well. What's happening? @@

"Saving strat for TI" was real?
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