EPTEvil Geniuses Discussion - Page 115
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theqat
United States2856 Posts
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On July 28 2016 11:43 theqat wrote: maybe it's gullible of me, but i really think they chose to use SL vs. a rando team as experiment time. Those had to be experimental support mid picks. Then in game 3 they go for the safety pick and it just doesn't work out. Oh well! ppd will always deny up a storm about some of his drafting stuff, but he always will establish some odd lineup choices early in a tournament with the very explicit intent of not letting you know what he's doing with it. He loves to abuse role versatility, as even 15 seconds of hesitation/confusion in the other drafter can outright win EG drafts. In the case against ex-VP, EG was still clearly playing to win, but it was the best opportunity to roll out a very different approach to the Laning -> Mid-game transition. VP was going to be hungry for the win, so unlike in a scrim, the team isn't going to treat the situation like EG was just BS'ing. And, well, it worked. The ex-VP played well and EG got to workout some theory-crafting they had clearly spent a lot of time working on. With a little different approach to the rest of the cores, that Oracle draft will work. Game 3 was just a case of the Alchemist-effect and EG not quite pushing hard enough. But Alch + SD is just damn hard to break high ground against, so I think that was more on simply a missed Ban in the 5th phase. Though Universe's Legion build was a little too "by the book" there, as I think that Blademail might have cost them the game. But that's a mistake I doubt they'll make again. But establishing the Void + AA combo is something ppd is going to abuse in the group stage. While using those as an opening is an old MVP.P trick (and not that great), depending on how the Meta shifts, it could be very powerful. Just leaving the Sumail + ppd slot as unknown, going into a 5th pick, completely opens up EG's drafting. Expect him to abuse that to the furtherest extent possible. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
 lets hope we ironed out some creases from StarLadder and are ready to defend our title! | ||
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Danzo
2820 Posts
On August 02 2016 22:12 Pandemona wrote: 26 hours until our first game vs Wings lets hope we ironed out some creases from StarLadder and are ready to defend our title! I hope. They didn't look very convincing at Starladder, in fact they looked weird. Let's hope they go into Ti6 and not do shit like Sumail's Dazzle mid. | ||
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zolasell
Greece288 Posts
On August 03 2016 04:08 Danzo wrote: I hope. They didn't look very convincing at Starladder, in fact they looked weird. Let's hope they go into Ti6 and not do shit like Sumail's Dazzle mid. If they do well (and i certainly hope they do) then starladder would be taking saving strats to the next level.using stupid strats so the enemy teams dont know what to expect | ||
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Diavlo
Belgium2915 Posts
On August 03 2016 05:03 zolasell wrote: If they do well (and i certainly hope they do) then starladder would be taking saving strats to the next level.using stupid strats so the enemy teams dont know what to expect SL was just a good reminder that they should ban cheeses like huskar and Alch because they kinda suck against them. I don't think the oracle mid was a "random shit they experimented", I think they got outdrafted and tried a hail-Mary to counter Ember which didn't work. I have faith in the team, hopefully they will do great. | ||
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Atoissen
Norway1737 Posts
On August 03 2016 05:09 Diavlo wrote: SL was just a good reminder that they should ban cheeses like huskar and Alch because they kinda suck against them. I don't think the oracle mid was a "random shit they experimented", I think they got outdrafted and tried a hail-Mary to counter Ember which didn't work. I have faith in the team, hopefully they will do great. Yeah, I think SL was important just to get the reminder of very common cheeses now adays, Alch and Husk are two very viable starts in this patch. I also have to believe they were drafting to not show certain things, and will be better today. | ||
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spudde123
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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Gaial
United States313 Posts
EDIT: Interesting, EG goes for the Zaiio in both games. EDIT2: Double Huskar as well | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On August 04 2016 02:26 Gaial wrote: If they had a better mid lane to let Huskar snowball, they would've won game 1 vs wings. EDIT: Interesting, EG goes for the Zaiio in both games. EDIT2: Double Huskar as well ppd is going to force people to ban Wisp. And then Huskar. At TI5, they established both Naga & Techies for a reason. And it paid off. Though Huskar is clearly a brutally hard hero to deal with right now. I missed game 1, however. Did EG run out of DPS? (When ppd always favors semi-carries a little much at times, but when the strategy works... it works.) | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On August 04 2016 03:40 Sn0_Man wrote: eg just got pooped on in lane and that was it since 7th in net worth huskar just isn't a viable hero Ah, so Wings funky lane domination strategy? It's a great curveball. Heck, they'd done it with a seemingly 4 Protect 1 Draft. (Though it can also fail spectacularly.) | ||
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Gaial
United States313 Posts
On August 04 2016 03:45 Taf the Ghost wrote: Ah, so Wings funky lane domination strategy? It's a great curveball. Heck, they'd done it with a seemingly 4 Protect 1 Draft. (Though it can also fail spectacularly.) A Viper/Oracle shut down Huskar/Io mid, pretty hard. At one point Zai had ~500 more net worth than Sumail. EDIT: EG just made NaVi GG out in 24 min. | ||
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Voronoff
United States302 Posts
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
Edit: Fear 19/0/4 in game 2 against Na'Vi. EG would like to point out that Starladder didn't mean much. Edit 2: http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2547165450 While I know game 2 was a stomp, Zai did more hero damage than Ditya Ra did on Huskar, the top on Na'Vi. That's both amazing & sad. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
Being in the upper bracket is the really important part. The Meta really actually gets going then. Those Bracket Stage adjustments are what let's a team make a run. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
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ChickenDieAlive
699 Posts
"Saving strat for TI" was real? | ||
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