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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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etherealfall
Australia476 Posts
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Gaial
United States313 Posts
I'm also curious if they'll go back to the Wisp. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On August 09 2016 23:48 Gaial wrote: I'm surprised they haven't picked Riki for Zai. I'm also curious if they'll go back to the Wisp. They may run Wisp, but teams banning it is just as useful. This level of Dota is about producing Draft Advantages. (There's a reason Alliance is always relevant with s4 drafting.) So we might not see another Wisp tournament from them. The main take away from yesterday's play and the Meta shift is that Mirana's Moonlight Shadow is insanely powerful and you can't let a jungler go unpunished. Also, ban PA against MVP. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
 )Game 1 was a little wonky when it was 1-8, but it ended 24-9. Even ppd didn't feed for the last 1/2 of the game. That was pure ppd-era EG in a nutshell: hit your timings then keep hitting the other team until they fall over. I think the key that ppd was exploiting is that Newbee doesn't really draft Roshan takers, but they heavily drafted Roshan Fight Winners. EG pretty much ignored Roshan the entire series, though they picked up 1 per game. The one in Game 1 was for their final push. We should probably be a little more concerned about the failed high ground pushes, but out playing EG in a high ground defense isn't uncommon. Their aggression is always fairly high risk. That Chrono under the Newbee Tier 3 was a tad much, especially as Zai wasn't there. But, well, if they had kill Hao & Mu there, the game was over. So you can see why they did it. But EG's team fighting really is a thing of beauty. The way they were weaving in & out of the fights, spreading out and taking out the Supports, it was just awesome to watch. In game 2, Newbee threw away their early lead when they sat up on the top lane, near the tier 2, waiting to blow up someone on EG. That let both Universe & Fear recover from being a little behind in the laning stage. Newbee was actually about to be snowballed out of the game if they hadn't gotten that perfect fight when defending their own Tier 2 on the top lane. EG pretty much never clumped up again for the rest of the game, and they weathered the Alchemist + 5 Aghs line up, and we're still ahead in networth for the last 10 minutes. Truthfully, that wasn't a good draft from Newbee. It was two separate ideas merged into one. Sand King + Skywrath let's you get snowballing early, but the current Alchemist builds just take too long before they can do anything useful. Especially when EG had their entire draft to select their Cores to deal with it. But that was still some great Dota. Newbee came to play, but EG was just playing better. Though I'd have preferred a bit better Slow Siege of the high ground. | ||
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Atoissen
Norway1737 Posts
Second a real nail biter!! Great plays from all of them, and really happy with the result. I think Ehome might be the weaker of the 4 teams in the Winner bracket semis, but its hard to tell, all 4 teams left in Winners look really good. Kinda hard to say how strong MVP actually are with OG actually seeming to slump a bit, TNC just outplayed them hard in the first game of losers, they can still come back tho. Anyways, great play by EG, Bleed Blue  | ||
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Gaial
United States313 Posts
Yes it was 6 months ago, and Ehome went under the radar since, but they have been on point as much as EG has. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On August 10 2016 10:15 Gaial wrote: I think Ehome is as bad of a match up as MVP for EG. I can't shake MDL where Ehome beat EG 5-1 in games. Yes it was 6 months ago, and Ehome went under the radar since, but they have been on point as much as EG has. At this stage, there's no "good" matchups for anyone. It's really about whether a team can shut down the best approach of a team. With MVP.P, it's a question if you can either control them or kill them when they attack, so they can't pull their re-engage approach. With Wings, can you survive the early game? Wings only top-tier ability is to throw out unexpected synergies and win the laning phase. (Who knew that BM + Wisp could dominate an offlane?) Ehome is probably the easier match up with EG. Ehome is our "Meta Rider" team of the tournament. They've got the best grasp on the meta, so it should be very interesting to see what happens. ppd came in with a really good plan for Newbee, and it worked really well. That makes EG very scary, just like everyone else. With Ehome, their most picked hero is Mirana and most banned (by them) is Wisp. And most teams ban Naga against them. (I would gather that they beat a whole lot of teams in Scrims with Naga.) Their top-picked heroes are all of the major Meta heroes. Given ppd, I get the feeling he'll let Naga through, as if he can nail down 2 better Bans + have a counter strategy. Lol, I wonder if ppd would First Phase (with second pick) Mirana + Naga. Wow, would that be cancerous team-fight. But Ehome pretty much bans nothing they play, so that's very interesting. EG could pretty much pick within Ehome's major strategies and force them on less comfortable heroes that way. But the offlane Sand King & Nyx are really important for them, along with Mirana. So they work really hard to keep down the Safelaner early, then abuse the Meta heroes in the early mid-game, as Alliance found out the hard way. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
I don't mind if they don't win the tournament, you can't win everything but at least this time as fans we know they have tried, thats all you want, you want to see them trying. Ehome tonight, shocking time for us in Europe but i am willing to sacrifice alot for it! Probably sleep early and wake up for it!  | ||
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Gaial
United States313 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + EG comes back from losing the entire game and against megas. | ||
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NbSky
Canada1023 Posts
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Chewbacca.
United States3634 Posts
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theqat
United States2856 Posts
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Voronoff
United States302 Posts
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yotsuna
Hong Kong186 Posts
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Taf the Ghost
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
Hmm actually I would swap zai sumail and universe for 3 more fears. Best and most versatile player around. Can't do 5 fears cuz he sucks at drafting though. | ||
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
Gonna be really tight against Wings, hoping for Liquid v EG in the finals! | ||
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
On August 11 2016 13:53 DucK- wrote: Wouldn't switch any player from this team. Its different from last year. Aui had to go because he was a burden in terms of play style. Zai gives PPD options for drafts, since he plays io and enchant. They still can't run Chen well though, ppd is bad at it and doesn't farm. Hmm actually I would swap zai sumail and universe for 3 more fears. Best and most versatile player around. Can't do 5 fears cuz he sucks at drafting though. ppd is pretty good at chen, maybe not the best but def good enough to make it work when it's a good draft choice. | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
On August 11 2016 13:53 DucK- wrote: Wouldn't switch any player from this team. Its different from last year. Aui had to go because he was a burden in terms of play style. Zai gives PPD options for drafts, since he plays io and enchant. They still can't run Chen well though, ppd is bad at it and doesn't farm. Hmm actually I would swap zai sumail and universe for 3 more fears. Best and most versatile player around. Can't do 5 fears cuz he sucks at drafting though. Yea but you run the risk of having all 4 players with wrist injury during a tournament and PPD having to carry. Granted some might want to see PPD with more than a 3-digit net worth but still. | ||
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