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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
August 09 2016 08:17 GMT
#2341
All down to the draft, hoping PPD has some nice new combos to bring. Wonder who he is going to give Mr Unigod offlane!? Natures/Faceless to help with the damage or a bat/beastmaster. Will we see a Naga?
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etherealfall
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia476 Posts
August 09 2016 14:44 GMT
#2342
believe in the blue boys
Gaial
Profile Joined May 2014
United States313 Posts
August 09 2016 14:48 GMT
#2343
I'm surprised they haven't picked Riki for Zai.

I'm also curious if they'll go back to the Wisp.
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
August 09 2016 18:35 GMT
#2344
On August 09 2016 23:48 Gaial wrote:
I'm surprised they haven't picked Riki for Zai.

I'm also curious if they'll go back to the Wisp.


They may run Wisp, but teams banning it is just as useful. This level of Dota is about producing Draft Advantages. (There's a reason Alliance is always relevant with s4 drafting.) So we might not see another Wisp tournament from them.

The main take away from yesterday's play and the Meta shift is that Mirana's Moonlight Shadow is insanely powerful and you can't let a jungler go unpunished. Also, ban PA against MVP.
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
August 09 2016 23:09 GMT
#2345
2-0 in 70+ minute games. 2-1 in 60+ minute games. (That Alliance mess up. )

Game 1 was a little wonky when it was 1-8, but it ended 24-9. Even ppd didn't feed for the last 1/2 of the game. That was pure ppd-era EG in a nutshell: hit your timings then keep hitting the other team until they fall over.

I think the key that ppd was exploiting is that Newbee doesn't really draft Roshan takers, but they heavily drafted Roshan Fight Winners. EG pretty much ignored Roshan the entire series, though they picked up 1 per game. The one in Game 1 was for their final push.

We should probably be a little more concerned about the failed high ground pushes, but out playing EG in a high ground defense isn't uncommon. Their aggression is always fairly high risk. That Chrono under the Newbee Tier 3 was a tad much, especially as Zai wasn't there. But, well, if they had kill Hao & Mu there, the game was over. So you can see why they did it.

But EG's team fighting really is a thing of beauty. The way they were weaving in & out of the fights, spreading out and taking out the Supports, it was just awesome to watch.

In game 2, Newbee threw away their early lead when they sat up on the top lane, near the tier 2, waiting to blow up someone on EG. That let both Universe & Fear recover from being a little behind in the laning stage. Newbee was actually about to be snowballed out of the game if they hadn't gotten that perfect fight when defending their own Tier 2 on the top lane. EG pretty much never clumped up again for the rest of the game, and they weathered the Alchemist + 5 Aghs line up, and we're still ahead in networth for the last 10 minutes.

Truthfully, that wasn't a good draft from Newbee. It was two separate ideas merged into one. Sand King + Skywrath let's you get snowballing early, but the current Alchemist builds just take too long before they can do anything useful. Especially when EG had their entire draft to select their Cores to deal with it. But that was still some great Dota. Newbee came to play, but EG was just playing better. Though I'd have preferred a bit better Slow Siege of the high ground.
Atoissen
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway1737 Posts
August 10 2016 00:26 GMT
#2346
Both were great games to watch.
Second a real nail biter!!
Great plays from all of them, and really happy with the result.
I think Ehome might be the weaker of the 4 teams in the Winner bracket semis, but its hard to tell, all 4 teams left in Winners look really good.
Kinda hard to say how strong MVP actually are with OG actually seeming to slump a bit, TNC just outplayed them hard in the first game of losers, they can still come back tho.

Anyways, great play by EG, Bleed Blue
“Strength lies not in defense but in attack.”
Gaial
Profile Joined May 2014
United States313 Posts
August 10 2016 01:15 GMT
#2347
I think Ehome is as bad of a match up as MVP for EG. I can't shake MDL where Ehome beat EG 5-1 in games.

Yes it was 6 months ago, and Ehome went under the radar since, but they have been on point as much as EG has.
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
August 10 2016 04:59 GMT
#2348
On August 10 2016 10:15 Gaial wrote:
I think Ehome is as bad of a match up as MVP for EG. I can't shake MDL where Ehome beat EG 5-1 in games.

Yes it was 6 months ago, and Ehome went under the radar since, but they have been on point as much as EG has.


At this stage, there's no "good" matchups for anyone. It's really about whether a team can shut down the best approach of a team.

With MVP.P, it's a question if you can either control them or kill them when they attack, so they can't pull their re-engage approach. With Wings, can you survive the early game? Wings only top-tier ability is to throw out unexpected synergies and win the laning phase. (Who knew that BM + Wisp could dominate an offlane?)

Ehome is probably the easier match up with EG. Ehome is our "Meta Rider" team of the tournament. They've got the best grasp on the meta, so it should be very interesting to see what happens. ppd came in with a really good plan for Newbee, and it worked really well. That makes EG very scary, just like everyone else.

With Ehome, their most picked hero is Mirana and most banned (by them) is Wisp. And most teams ban Naga against them. (I would gather that they beat a whole lot of teams in Scrims with Naga.) Their top-picked heroes are all of the major Meta heroes.

Given ppd, I get the feeling he'll let Naga through, as if he can nail down 2 better Bans + have a counter strategy. Lol, I wonder if ppd would First Phase (with second pick) Mirana + Naga. Wow, would that be cancerous team-fight. But Ehome pretty much bans nothing they play, so that's very interesting. EG could pretty much pick within Ehome's major strategies and force them on less comfortable heroes that way. But the offlane Sand King & Nyx are really important for them, along with Mirana.

So they work really hard to keep down the Safelaner early, then abuse the Meta heroes in the early mid-game, as Alliance found out the hard way.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
August 10 2016 08:04 GMT
#2349
What a day yesterday, such big highs and good to see the old EG back, thats all i wanted. I wanted to see good games and the players playing like they have done and known to do. PPD drafting superbly, Suma1l dominating the game full stop. Fear doing his thing, Unigod making plays left and right. Throw in a Zai controlling the tempo on his characters and you have a strong solid team.
I don't mind if they don't win the tournament, you can't win everything but at least this time as fans we know they have tried, thats all you want, you want to see them trying.

Ehome tonight, shocking time for us in Europe but i am willing to sacrifice alot for it! Probably sleep early and wake up for it!
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Gaial
Profile Joined May 2014
United States313 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-11 03:29:22
August 11 2016 03:17 GMT
#2350
Everyone needs to watch game 1 vs EHOME.

+ Show Spoiler +
EG comes back from losing the entire game and against megas.
NbSky
Profile Joined August 2007
Canada1023 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-11 03:32:15
August 11 2016 03:24 GMT
#2351
game 1 was easily the game of the year.
Sandstorm@USEast | The Last Pride [EviL] GW2 | Nb.Sky
Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
August 11 2016 03:36 GMT
#2352
What a game vs EHome...
theqat
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States2856 Posts
August 11 2016 04:22 GMT
#2353
game 1 vs EHOME in my personal top 5 of all time for sure
Voronoff
Profile Joined May 2010
United States302 Posts
August 11 2016 04:25 GMT
#2354
Whelp EG proving that consistent 3rd place or better at almost every tournament is more indicative than form at the latest one. Letting myself start hoping for the repeat now.
yotsuna
Profile Joined June 2011
Hong Kong186 Posts
August 11 2016 04:31 GMT
#2355
Wonder where sumail will be if zai and rtz didnt leave EG.....such a special player.
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
August 11 2016 04:44 GMT
#2356
Pandemona, I hope you were able to sleep after that, haha.
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
August 11 2016 04:53 GMT
#2357
Wouldn't switch any player from this team. Its different from last year. Aui had to go because he was a burden in terms of play style. Zai gives PPD options for drafts, since he plays io and enchant. They still can't run Chen well though, ppd is bad at it and doesn't farm.

Hmm actually I would swap zai sumail and universe for 3 more fears. Best and most versatile player around. Can't do 5 fears cuz he sucks at drafting though.
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
August 11 2016 05:09 GMT
#2358
What a series

Gonna be really tight against Wings, hoping for Liquid v EG in the finals!
TRUEESPORTS || your days as a respected member of team liquid are over
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
August 11 2016 05:10 GMT
#2359
On August 11 2016 13:53 DucK- wrote:
Wouldn't switch any player from this team. Its different from last year. Aui had to go because he was a burden in terms of play style. Zai gives PPD options for drafts, since he plays io and enchant. They still can't run Chen well though, ppd is bad at it and doesn't farm.

Hmm actually I would swap zai sumail and universe for 3 more fears. Best and most versatile player around. Can't do 5 fears cuz he sucks at drafting though.


ppd is pretty good at chen, maybe not the best but def good enough to make it work when it's a good draft choice.
TRUEESPORTS || your days as a respected member of team liquid are over
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
August 11 2016 05:15 GMT
#2360
On August 11 2016 13:53 DucK- wrote:
Wouldn't switch any player from this team. Its different from last year. Aui had to go because he was a burden in terms of play style. Zai gives PPD options for drafts, since he plays io and enchant. They still can't run Chen well though, ppd is bad at it and doesn't farm.

Hmm actually I would swap zai sumail and universe for 3 more fears. Best and most versatile player around. Can't do 5 fears cuz he sucks at drafting though.

Yea but you run the risk of having all 4 players with wrist injury during a tournament and PPD having to carry. Granted some might want to see PPD with more than a 3-digit net worth but still.
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