Zephyr Discussion

On May 14 2014 22:41 opterown wrote:
i dno i think that SEA is stronger than NA lol

On May 14 2014 22:32 weiliem wrote:
Y can a western team travel to Korea and get to play the qualifiers there where competition is so much less? This is so unfair to the SEA teams. If teams like Dog or Liquid went to play in the SEA qualifers, they will in no doubt qualify and there will then be no SEA team qualifying for TI4.... Scythe is probably the strongest competition there. If Zephyr advance instead, I will be so disappointed....

On May 15 2014 01:14 weiliem wrote:

That is exactly what I meant. you're cutting off a SEA spot because an NA team went there for their qualifier. If TI4 is just for all the strongest teams in the world instead of strongest teams within certain regions, then all spots should have been invites and there should be no regional qualifiers.

On May 15 2014 01:19 jukesmaster wrote:

I actually don't wanna see Zephyr @ TI4 because of this too... :x

On May 15 2014 03:05 bardtown wrote:


The BEST teams are already invited. They will be there no matter what. Now Valve want to have some representation from everywhere to ensure interest from fans all over the world. I think Zephyr would have a really good shot in NA qualifiers, but in SEA I think they have no chance. I think it's a mistake from Valve - not because an SEA team is missing out (I don't think there's another SEA team that can challenge the current invites for the spot), but because one of the best NA teams now has little chance to qualify because they're playing in a region which is above the level of their home region. Still wish them the best .

On May 16 2014 19:27 synapse wrote:
win 2 or 3 games in qualies and consider that a success imo

On May 15 2014 03:05 bardtown wrote:


The BEST teams are already invited. They will be there no matter what. Now Valve want to have some representation from everywhere to ensure interest from fans all over the world. I think Zephyr would have a really good shot in NA qualifiers, but in SEA I think they have no chance. I think it's a mistake from Valve - not because an SEA team is missing out (I don't think there's another SEA team that can challenge the current invites for the spot), but because one of the best NA teams now has little chance to qualify because they're playing in a region which is above the level of their home region. Still wish them the best .

On May 17 2014 14:32 Mr. Black wrote:
Please keep in mind that although Zephyr is FROM America, they all moved to Korea and are living and training in a team house environment. That takes balls and commitment. They deserve to be at the SEA qualifiers as much as anyone else there. Sure, they aren't performing as well as I would like, but they don't deserve the hate.

On May 17 2014 19:02 MyrMindservant wrote:
Heh, if you are calling SEA a "noob division", then how would you call NA?

SEA may be weaker than China and EU, but it is still considerably stronger than american division.

On May 17 2014 23:47 Snorkle wrote:

When mvp gets second place in your divisions round robin stage it isnt making a great case for being strong, even when compared to NA.

On May 17 2014 20:09 Fwizzz wrote:

If they really have the balls they should have stayed in the US and play western dota rather than going to Korea where the scene is very young and grab ez pz cash.

On May 17 2014 23:47 Snorkle wrote:

When mvp gets second place in your divisions round robin stage it isnt making a great case for being strong, even when compared to NA.

On May 18 2014 00:58 DucK- wrote:


I agree. For monetary purposes, it makes perfect sense. If they were however committed in improving as a player/team, they should never had gone to Korea. They made a decision motivated by easy money, and for that I have no respect for them as a dota player.

On May 18 2014 00:58 DucK- wrote:


I agree. For monetary purposes, it makes perfect sense. If they were however committed in improving as a player/team, they should never had gone to Korea. They made a decision motivated by easy money, and for that I have no respect for them as a dota player.

On May 18 2014 00:58 DucK- wrote:


I agree. For monetary purposes, it makes perfect sense. If they were however committed in improving as a player/team, they should never had gone to Korea. They made a decision motivated by easy money, and for that I have no respect for them as a dota player.

On May 18 2014 03:07 schmitty9800 wrote:

If it was such easy money then why wouldn't a T2 Europe team go over there and grab it? It took investment and a lot of risk to go over there. Also, IMO they are actually helping the Korean scene grow...I doubt that MVP Phoenix would have done as well as they have without Zephyr pushing them in KDL and NSL.

Zephyr hasn't done much to develop the Korean Scene. Earning easy money with sub 5k mmr players, and the player with most deaths in TI2 (I'm actually a fan of Bamboe, but come on) won't help the scene that much.
Demon going to Korea, and V1lat inviting MVP phoenix to Starladder are actually the triggers for their success. After SL, MVP has beaten Zephyr in all games, if I recall correctly.

You don't develop a scene by stealing all the efforts done to develop it. You can take SC2 as an example, were Koreans have actually stopped the foreigner growth by competing in their own turf.

On May 18 2014 02:12 callizer wrote:
I don't know how people are getting the impression that NA>SEA. Probably because of MUFC horrible run at TI3 or lack of exposure? Let's sort out the facts:

TI1 top 8: 2 from SEA (#3 Scythe SG, #7/8 MiTH), 0 from NA (Should I say 0.5? OK.Nirvana.int has some NA players)
TI2 top 8: 2 from SEA (#5/6 Zenith, #7/8 Orange), 0 from NA
TI3 top 8: 1 from SEA (#3 Orange), 1 from NA (#7/8 Team Liquid)

On May 18 2014 20:34 haduken wrote:
Lul @ people thinking NA is better than SEA

On May 18 2014 20:40 WillS wrote:


It may be difficult for people to start to believe that MVP Phoenix and Arrow are on par with Liquid and NAR.

On July 07 2014 17:24 ahswtini wrote:
Because he is a COMMUNITY FIGURE

On September 17 2014 13:55 FHDH wrote:
So Merlini is 3-10 on this roster. Has anyone watched the matches and have an idea why they are doing this badly?

the real question is why were they winning stuff at the beginning

On September 17 2014 20:36 Avs wrote:


On the flip side, they'll be demoted to Tier 2 after this season. They might be able to figure out what they need to improve now that they will be playing against teams that don't completely outclass them. In a way, that might be what they need to focus on where their weak points are. Sometimes you don't learn anything when you get destroyed.

On September 17 2014 20:36 Avs wrote:


Poor execution and draft sequence is getting counter drafted too early. In otherwords, they suck at hiding their draft and you can guess their strategy within the first 2 picks or counter their cores with your last two picks. Also, Koreans have gotten so much better so quickly. It's not all on Zephyr.



Koreans just picked up Dota 2. Zephyr however was comprised of experienced Dota 2 players turned pro. Obviously the team's with more experience were going to win.

It's time Zephyr came home and practices in NA. They don't seem to be getting the practice they need in Korea now that they've helped the korean scene get on its feet. If they want to remain in Korea they need to either drasticly improve their teamwork, coordination, strategic tactics, and individual skill or replace players or disband. They are looking worse than a lot of teams right now.

On the flip side, they'll be demoted to Tier 2 after this season. They might be able to figure out what they need to improve now that they will be playing against teams that don't completely outclass them. In a way, that might be what they need to focus on where their weak points are. Sometimes you don't learn anything when you get destroyed.