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On May 18 2014 02:12 callizer wrote:
I don't know how people are getting the impression that NA>SEA. Probably because of MUFC horrible run at TI3 or lack of exposure? Let's sort out the facts:
TI1 top 8: 2 from SEA (#3 Scythe SG, #7/8 MiTH), 0 from NA (Should I say 0.5? OK.Nirvana.int has some NA players)
TI2 top 8: 2 from SEA (#5/6 Zenith, #7/8 Orange), 0 from NA
TI3 top 8: 1 from SEA (#3 Orange), 1 from NA (#7/8 Team Liquid)
Agree with you.
From the qualifier matches, we could see the differences.
I'm agree some of SEA team is unstable and bad performances but in American qualify matches, I see many 'TI3 MUFC' game
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If Zeph really moved over to SEA (my region) and scrim/practice locally, I don't see the problem with them competing in our qualifiers. In my opinion regional qualifiers are a way of comparing skills of teams developed within the region. If you scrim, practice and even live in the area, some of the "local dota culture", a.k.a metagame will definitely rub off you.
Either way, I like purge even if his performance in high profile tournaments is underwhelming. I guess the team has space to develop in the future
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I apologize if this question is dumb, I'm fairly new to the Dota 2 scene. On Zephyr's website it says they are scheduled to play two matches in the joinDOTA League Asia today, but I've not been able to find any stream of these matches anywhere. Is this a mistake on their part or am I simply that incompetent?
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JoinDota league has quite a few separate divisions, and since Zephyr aren't in the premier division for Asia the chance of their matches being streamed is pretty small.
I'm sure someone out there does it but they likely don't get many viewers, which just makes it harder to find.
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Lul @ people thinking NA is better than SEA
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On May 18 2014 20:34 haduken wrote:
Lul @ people thinking NA is better than SEA
It may be difficult for people to start to believe that MVP Phoenix and Arrow are on par with Liquid and NAR.
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On May 18 2014 20:40 WillS wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2014 20:34 haduken wrote:
Lul @ people thinking NA is better than SEA It may be difficult for people to start to believe that MVP Phoenix and Arrow are on par with Liquid and NAR.
I'm surprised Liquid managed to put on a strong performance for the qualifiers. If you looked at their games in random tournaments leading up to the quals, I never would have predicted them to beat any non-NA team, except Zephyr maybe.
SEA's scene is definitely stronger, or at the very least deeper. This should be evident by looking at the tiebreakers.
SNA, Ehug, Union gaming vs Minesky, Mith, Orange (even if orange is a shadow of their ti3 roster, they're still better than most of NA scene). I'd bet on the latter any day of the week.
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Australia54748 Posts
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No idea why blitz got invited.
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Northern Ireland22203 Posts
Because he is a COMMUNITY FIGURE
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On July 07 2014 17:24 ahswtini wrote:
Because he is a COMMUNITY FIGURE
He hasn't had much of a presence in the past year outside of competitive gaming. Players like 7ckngmad at least cast quite often.
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So Merlini is 3-10 on this roster. Has anyone watched the matches and have an idea why they are doing this badly?
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the real question is why were they winning stuff at the beginning
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
I think they just don't give a fuck anymore. They probably know they're not nearly the best team anymore and already have plans of going back after this season, Blitz said he's done with DotA after this season, etc. It's gotta be hard to find motivation to try and get better with that mindset, I would be surprised if they are practicing at all now.
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Their drafts are really predictable, they usually pick the same set of heroes. Although I feel like its okay (but not optimal) for some heroes (Merlini always plays sky or venge) I have no clue why they keep giving Corey NP - I think they lost every single game he plays it. It seems like they draft with a particular strategy in mind, and then fail completely in executing the strategy. On top of that there are questionable individual plays in almost every game. Some players I would say are just not high skilled (compared to the local competition like MVP).
What I usually do is I watch very closely what Corey is doing in team fights. I'm not saying he's the only reason they lose games but his moves are just extremely questionable. I remember a fight in mid where he kept going back and forth in the actual engagement (while everyone was fighting) not being sure whether to attack or not, suddenly decided to fight and literally ran into the enemy team melee heroes (he was playing NP) and got rekt. Just watch him and you'll see what I mean.
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going from 0.5 to 0 players who has an idea of how to support has actually been detrimental to the overall team
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On September 17 2014 13:55 FHDH wrote:
So Merlini is 3-10 on this roster. Has anyone watched the matches and have an idea why they are doing this badly?
Poor execution and draft sequence is getting counter drafted too early. In otherwords, they suck at hiding their draft and you can guess their strategy within the first 2 picks or counter their cores with your last two picks. Also, Koreans have gotten so much better so quickly. It's not all on Zephyr.
the real question is why were they winning stuff at the beginning
Koreans just picked up Dota 2. Zephyr however was comprised of experienced Dota 2 players turned pro. Obviously the team's with more experience were going to win.
It's time Zephyr came home and practices in NA. They don't seem to be getting the practice they need in Korea now that they've helped the korean scene get on its feet. If they want to remain in Korea they need to either drasticly improve their teamwork, coordination, strategic tactics, and individual skill or replace players or disband. They are looking worse than a lot of teams right now.
On the flip side, they'll be demoted to Tier 2 after this season. They might be able to figure out what they need to improve now that they will be playing against teams that don't completely outclass them. In a way, that might be what they need to focus on where their weak points are. Sometimes you don't learn anything when you get destroyed.
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On September 17 2014 20:36 Avs wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2014 13:55 FHDH wrote:
So Merlini is 3-10 on this roster. Has anyone watched the matches and have an idea why they are doing this badly? On the flip side, they'll be demoted to Tier 2 after this season. They might be able to figure out what they need to improve now that they will be playing against teams that don't completely outclass them. In a way, that might be what they need to focus on where their weak points are. Sometimes you don't learn anything when you get destroyed.
My guess is that instead of improving they will mail in the last seaon of KDL, i.e. perform poorly and all be thinking about how fast they can move back to USA.
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On September 17 2014 20:36 Avs wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2014 13:55 FHDH wrote:
So Merlini is 3-10 on this roster. Has anyone watched the matches and have an idea why they are doing this badly? Poor execution and draft sequence is getting counter drafted too early. In otherwords, they suck at hiding their draft and you can guess their strategy within the first 2 picks or counter their cores with your last two picks. Also, Koreans have gotten so much better so quickly. It's not all on Zephyr.
Koreans just picked up Dota 2. Zephyr however was comprised of experienced Dota 2 players turned pro. Obviously the team's with more experience were going to win.It's time Zephyr came home and practices in NA. They don't seem to be getting the practice they need in Korea now that they've helped the korean scene get on its feet. If they want to remain in Korea they need to either drasticly improve their teamwork, coordination, strategic tactics, and individual skill or replace players or disband. They are looking worse than a lot of teams right now. On the flip side, they'll be demoted to Tier 2 after this season. They might be able to figure out what they need to improve now that they will be playing against teams that don't completely outclass them. In a way, that might be what they need to focus on where their weak points are. Sometimes you don't learn anything when you get destroyed.
this is false. the korean scene was new. the players were not
most of the active korean players then and now are people who have played dota for years, either from overseas or in korea. the only 2 players that were better than the majority of the korean scene were corey and bamboe, the rest were on par or worse than korean players. this is why i still dont understand how 2 players managed to carry zephyr through nsl3
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Northern Ireland22203 Posts
RIP Zephyr, officially disbanderinoed
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